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There is hope...a solution to end suffering in our time

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posted on Oct, 19 2008 @ 12:39 PM
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Originally posted by Amaterasu

I think so, too. Transitioning will be difficult (what such transitions are not!?!), but the greater the number with the vision, the greater number working towards the goal, the faster we can bring it about.


Yes. That is what i was worried about too, but of course what you just stated makes perfect sense to me now. Thanks.



Originally posted by mike dangerously
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Yes,the transtion will be difficult,but in the end it's going to happen and that is what I think alot of people are affraid of as well,we have the NWO looking to bring back fuedalism and to a large extent they have,with the government taking control of the banks.They will attempt to tighten their control even more as the idea of an Open Resource system gains credbility with alot of people.


I am pretty sure the banks control the government?


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That is what i was afraid of as well. The communism generation will see it as communism. I guess because of the sharing aspect within the resource economy but its abundance that seems to make it different.


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Technology should and will prevent overpopulation itself. There is a lot of space out there, and a lot resources to make centripetal force space stations for people to reside. Those are just the ideas now with limited knowledge.

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Overall people, I am trying to spread the word as well. I was think of sending emails to the links for zeitgeist movies or make DVD copies of them to send to family members. I wonder if that's okay? Anyone know?




[edit on 19-10-2008 by Unlimitedpossibilities]




posted on Oct, 19 2008 @ 01:43 PM
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Send them the Doc and any other info about the Ziegist movment,I have already did that.



posted on Oct, 19 2008 @ 02:48 PM
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Originally posted by mike dangerously
Send them the Doc and any other info about the Ziegist movment,I have already did that.


Right. So you are talking DVD? Because some of my family members do not have computers. Not to mention, they are too lazy to look it up on the internet sorry to say.

I really wish we could start chain emails, or even tangible mail in mailboxes, with this documentary instead of the other garbage you see. Maybe say we have one or two people per neighborhood in the whichever country one is from, and have them make copies for everyone in there neighborhood (Or fliers even with the movie name and website to watch, since that is cheaper).



posted on Oct, 19 2008 @ 03:09 PM
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reply to post by Unlimitedpossibilities
 
Yes,I mean the dvd unlimitedpossibilites scratch the idea about chain e-mails those things tend to be deleted by most people.I send them links and things of that nature.



posted on Oct, 19 2008 @ 03:14 PM
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Okay. Thanks. I think I will go with sending or giving DVD's to my family members, and putting fliers out around my neighborhood.

BTW: I think not to be off topic anymore, I will make a new thread.


[edit on 19-10-2008 by Unlimitedpossibilities]



posted on Oct, 19 2008 @ 03:29 PM
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reply to post by Unlimitedpossibilities
 
no problem,man.




posted on Oct, 19 2008 @ 03:40 PM
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www.abovetopsecret.com...

Just started a thread here if you want to chime in. Thanks.



posted on Oct, 21 2008 @ 12:47 PM
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Ive been sending out links to everyone I know to watch the movie.

Unfortunately I get the feeling people delete it like it was a joke of the day email junk.

Did anyone hear see Alex Jone's take on the Zietgeist second movie ? He was nasty and the posts followed were even more insane.

For some reason people at that site equate Zietgeist to NWO. Im not sure if its because the venus project advocates a one-world govt also or because of the whole thing with organized religion.

To clarify, one world govt isnt necessarily an evil thing. I believe its a natural evolution for humanity to become one voice.

However what the global elite want isnt "user friendly"

And being against a stifling organized religion system that was invented by man to pacify and control the people doesnt equal no belief in God.

Yet the folks posts' over at infowars attacked the venus project as "Luciferian" and a cover for the NWO agenda.

Fear of the unknown is the true tragedy here and holds us back as a culture. We need to grow up and stop using the profit / scarcity system. Its literally destroying us...

why cant people see that profit is bad ?



posted on Oct, 21 2008 @ 02:36 PM
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I as much as I agree with Alex I have noticed a pattern when it comes to other ideas and people's work if it does not fit in with what he thinks is the NWO's overall agenda he tries and debunks it and claim it's pro-nwo.Personally,I just think he's trying to protect his botomline.



posted on Oct, 27 2008 @ 12:08 AM
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The posts over there were hideous. The folks dont realize how ignorant they really are. Somehow they have this attitude that they are enlightened now (thanks to Alex Jones) because they know 9-11 was an inside job. As if that was the only thing you needed to comprehend to understand the big picture.

Any mention of sharing resources is feared.
Any mention of global goverment must be an NWO plot
Any criticsm of organized religion is met with cries of panic

Infowars fails to mention the alien / elite agenda behind this whole mess. No mention of supressed technologies that would free us. Alex only has half the story.

Alex has simply given the blind a pair of sunglasses. He thinks its helping them see better but in reality it only makes them fall further into the depths of darkness

[edit on 27-10-2008 by admriker444]



posted on Oct, 27 2008 @ 02:24 PM
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Yeah,admriker444 I stopped posting in any threads about both movies over there,there is no point in disscussing any real solutions with alot of the posters in the AJ forums there are more then a few people on there who are not totally blinded by reliegion but they tend to get drowned out by the bible thumpers.I said it once and I'll say it again Alex Jones knows his audience.



posted on Oct, 27 2008 @ 07:12 PM
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I agree with you both of very much. Alex Jones makes great points and I respect him since he got me into most of the theories and "enlightened" me, for lack of a better word. However, I have yet to hear an actual solution to the problems of the world from him. So the Zeitgeist provides some theories or evidence that seems blasphemous, and he as a believer in some type of religion, thus does not like the movie, calling it NWO propaganda. Strange. The addendum gives a solution and it seems by your responses that he dislikes that movie and the Venus Project as well.

I mean, he has to make a living too I suppose ...


[edit on 27-10-2008 by Unlimitedpossibilities]



posted on Oct, 29 2008 @ 01:02 AM
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Originally posted by Unlimitedpossibilities
reply to post by mike dangerously AND reply to post by admriker444
 


I agree with you both of very much. Alex Jones makes great points and I respect him since he got me into most of the theories and "enlightened" me, for lack of a better word. However, I have yet to hear an actual solution to the problems of the world from him. So the Zeitgeist provides some theories or evidence that seems blasphemous, and he as a believer in some type of religion, thus does not like the movie, calling it NWO propaganda. Strange. The addendum gives a solution and it seems by your responses that he dislikes that movie and the Venus Project as well.

I mean, he has to make a living too I suppose ...


[edit on 27-10-2008 by Unlimitedpossibilities]
Yeah,he has a business intrest in trying to debunk both Zeitgeist movies I think he just admit to that at least.



posted on Oct, 29 2008 @ 01:15 AM
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The idea is interesting but how would the changeover be administered,and by who? The same elite who are in control now? That's something which I've never seen Peter Joseph answer. He dismissed the question as irrelevant when asked by Alex Jones.

I agree that Alex Jones does not always provide answers to mankinds predicament, but we should be wary of grabbing the first "solution" that presents itself.

Alex Jones' aversion to parts of Zeitgeist Addendum is not based on bible thumping, blindfolded christianity, as some posters have suggested. He criticises it because, if managed poorly, it could be a cleverly masked government centered socialism.

People were sold communism using the same utopian language. There are a few half-truths mixed into the second half of Zeitgeist addendum. Alex Jones did a good critique of it but unfortunately his interview with P.Joseph descended into a melee in the middle. The start and end of the interview are worth listening to.
Again, is there a timetable/plan for this change to be administered?

I belive Ron Paul's non-Fed, gold backed currency is a far more realistic solution to mankinds ills at present.

Decentralisation is the key.

[edit on 29-10-2008 by HiAliens]



posted on Oct, 29 2008 @ 01:27 AM
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Definitely. I just would rather more solutions be conjured up, so we can make comparisons rather than bickering and whining over the internet.

It is a shame that the "enlighteners" do not come together, confer, and then come up with agreeable solutions vs. quarreling over petty grievances or inherent instabilities in one's solution or opinion.



posted on Oct, 29 2008 @ 04:00 AM
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Ron Paul's solution of returning to a gold-backed currency is only a temporary band-aid.

We already tried to solve the elite's control over us in 1776. We won the battle but eventually lost the war to the elite. The elite are relentless and will never end their quest for power.

These people are murderers. Read "Confessions of an Economic Hitman" if you doubt the evil in the elite's black hearts. Ron Paul winning an election would only be a small setback for these elitist.

If we want to the win the war we need to take away their power. That can only be accomplished if we remove money and artificial scarcity from the equation.



posted on Nov, 17 2008 @ 09:33 AM
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Yes, it is frustrating. Change is never easy. People are stubborn and are taught to look out for number one. I've met similar resistance to the idea, but if you think about it, at this point they really don't know any better. This idea is a 360 to all they know. It's scary.

It will work if people want it to, we can change anything we want whenever we want to. Humans have such potential, we are still babies.

I've heard some talk of the change as fate. I however do not believe in fate, because if things were fated to happen where would choice have a place? There are infinite possibilities of how this all could play out. I would count most of those as negative outcomes. Most likely we will use what we have and create something from that, so it mimics history in some way. A total change, no matter how bad things are, has tended not to occur with us. We still harbor racist ideas, and one would think we could move beyond that by now, yet we still raise our children with these sad stereotypes.

Truly, we must constantly expose people to information so they can make a choice. No matter how logical this can seem to us now, at one point I know I would have called someone talking as I do now crazy. The true change will take time, as all people need to be reached, and 6.7 billion people is nothing to sneeze at.



posted on Nov, 17 2008 @ 01:53 PM
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Very true,Scaye how is it possible for us to evolve when we are still stuck in the same old status quo and can't imagine anything different,that's how the elite keep us in check and try to discredit and attack any movment that threatens them.



posted on Nov, 17 2008 @ 02:04 PM
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Right. I say since everyone likes televisions so much that maybe we can fight fire with fire and somehow get the message out through television. Just an idea, which seems impossible. Perhaps we could somehow get the local news stations to report on how one free movie, such as the Zeitgeist, has made an impact on future thought and prospect.

Also, as soon as I am out of college for the winter, I am going to design a better flier to get the Zeitgeist movies out to the public.



posted on Nov, 17 2008 @ 05:08 PM
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reply to post by Unlimitedpossibilities
 
I wolud love to see both movies on TV although I can only imagine the howls of outrage from the anti-Ziegist folks!





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