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So... Who's Going to Join the Zeitgeist Movement??

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posted on Nov, 18 2008 @ 11:16 AM
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Count me in invisiblewoman,
i will help with all my energy and strength.




posted on Nov, 18 2008 @ 11:27 AM
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sign me up



posted on Nov, 18 2008 @ 11:57 AM
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I agree with you. This is a great time and a great movement to be involved in all "cult" statuses aside. I am an professional artist and have spent many hours handing out flyer's and speaking on this movement. I don't think it is perfect nothing is, but it far better than anything i have seen before it and certainly better than what wee have now. A resource based system sounds to me like a sound call on removing money from our system and living an abundant lifestyle through unfettered technologies and combining all the skills and talents of our world population. When you think of the some of the accomplishments of the human race, the most fantastic events have taken place when a world of people are behind, it, such as the Space Race or landing on the moon, those were triumphant days for all humans regardless of there location in the world. I believe that we as a whole could literally create whatever kind of life we could want for our children and futures. Whatever we can dream up we can accomplish as a whole. The power of the human spirit and drive to accomplish is outstanding and could not be stopped by and army if we all unite for a higher common goal. I believe the the human race is the most gifted and amazing force there is. Thank you for your time.



posted on Nov, 18 2008 @ 12:04 PM
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Beautiful. I am with you. I am also a professional artist and if my skills can help spread the word let me know. www.carlfletcher.net



posted on Nov, 18 2008 @ 12:26 PM
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Originally posted by Fletcher33
reply to post by Anonymous ATS
 


I agree with you. This is a great time and a great movement to be involved in all "cult" statuses aside. I am an professional artist and have spent many hours handing out flyer's and speaking on this movement. I don't think it is perfect nothing is, but it far better than anything i have seen before it and certainly better than what wee have now. A resource based system sounds to me like a sound call on removing money from our system and living an abundant lifestyle through unfettered technologies and combining all the skills and talents of our world population. When you think of the some of the accomplishments of the human race, the most fantastic events have taken place when a world of people are behind, it, such as the Space Race or landing on the moon, those were triumphant days for all humans regardless of there location in the world. I believe that we as a whole could literally create whatever kind of life we could want for our children and futures. Whatever we can dream up we can accomplish as a whole. The power of the human spirit and drive to accomplish is outstanding and could not be stopped by and army if we all unite for a higher common goal. I believe the the human race is the most gifted and amazing force there is. Thank you for your time.


Its not a great movement, its a scam. The space race by the way paved the way for new technologies faster than not having a space race.
I do not get the if I join what do I do when I no longer agree? What happens, when I do not accept the re-education of me?. How dam free is that?. There are way to many questions they have not answered. They do not want you to know, just follow us and we will tell you how to live. No way. You can have it. Try this koolaid, zman, no no no do not force me to drink it, or you will re-educate me. Its a scam. Please read back further where I have proven it.



posted on Nov, 18 2008 @ 02:48 PM
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I went doiwn on the thread and found 2 args of you:



Its not a great movement, its a scam. The space race by the way paved the way for new technologies faster than not having a space race.
I do not get the if I join what do I do when I no longer agree? What happens, when I do not accept the re-education of me?. How dam free is that?. There are way to many questions they have not answered. They do not want you to know, just follow us and we will tell you how to live. No way. You can have it. Try this koolaid, zman, no no no do not force me to drink it, or you will re-educate me. Its a scam. Please read back further where I have proven it.


What a scam this movement is, it is never ever going to happen. Its all in your mind. Do something great today, help someone who needs your help. Stop looking for a pie in the sky idea, that has been around for along time and think for yourself, instead of directives from a bunch of people who you will eventually disagree with.



Im very eager for you to go the point of your critic, because all you do is say
that 'never ever goin to happen' and 'its a scam' or 'do not force me to drink'
arguments that dont add to what is this all about: stop the capitalism mind
slavery and elitism by profit from scarsity.

Im not saying jump to this boat, but could you put 'out' what you think are
defects of this RB society.... we are all ears on whats wrong and perhaps
flag things that needs to be adressed.


"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able
to entertain a thought without accepting it. "
Aristotle



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posted on Nov, 18 2008 @ 03:55 PM
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Originally posted by RobertPaulsim
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I went doiwn on the thread and found 2 args of you:



Its not a great movement, its a scam. The space race by the way paved the way for new technologies faster than not having a space race.
I do not get the if I join what do I do when I no longer agree? What happens, when I do not accept the re-education of me?. How dam free is that?. There are way to many questions they have not answered. They do not want you to know, just follow us and we will tell you how to live. No way. You can have it. Try this koolaid, zman, no no no do not force me to drink it, or you will re-educate me. Its a scam. Please read back further where I have proven it.


What a scam this movement is, it is never ever going to happen. Its all in your mind. Do something great today, help someone who needs your help. Stop looking for a pie in the sky idea, that has been around for along time and think for yourself, instead of directives from a bunch of people who you will eventually disagree with.



Im very eager for you to go the point of your critic, because all you do is say
that 'never ever goin to happen' and 'its a scam' or 'do not force me to drink'
arguments that dont add to what is this all about: stop the capitalism mind
slavery and elitism by profit from scarsity.

Im not saying jump to this boat, but could you put 'out' what you think are
defects of this RB society.... we are all ears on whats wrong and perhaps
flag things that needs to be adressed.


"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able
to entertain a thought without accepting it. "
Aristotle



[edit on 18-11-2008 by RobertPaulsim]


Just because I disagree with your view point you think I am a capitalist. You know, when I was a child, we used to look upon socialism in a different manner. I see it this way, I went and read all about this Venus project, I wanted others to take note of the wording that they present. Sure sounds really nice, until you get to the point of a working model, which they do not have. The way I see it, the educated, or more educated, get to have others be their servants to perform in what they say is helping everyone. Now this what really made me question this movement, the re-education of YOU who do not perform or disagree with there mind set or rules, which I do not see any rules posted. You can not be just wild and crazy people running amuck without rules. I asked in previous post question as 1. What are the rules?, 2. What is the re-education( I kept thinking of shock treatment) Who is the enforcer for all the things that get done. Do not tell me everyone, cause that is a lie. You have a scam in the working if you know of the people who are the orginaters and writers of this so called movement. What I see is if you disagree then you will be re-programed not to be that way. I have lived in this wonderful earth for a very long time, I have and trained others in different cultures, and it always comes down to WE ALL AGREE TO DISAGREE. Barter will not solve every problem. I barter , but not for profit. I give things away for free. Now, who would want to join something and see something about the program they are already in and disagree with that point of view. You will of course be looked down upon , by those WHO WILL BE IN CONTROL. And even made an example. Sorry I like my freedom, I know that as I have stated before that the founding fathers made a great document that I am and have professed to defend. So tell me how to print our own money again and get away from the FED. Our are the memebers that are in this movement at the highest level a part of that think tank too?. So many questions and no right answers as it is what it is a scam.



posted on Nov, 18 2008 @ 06:56 PM
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I absolutely agree and feeel the same way as you do. I live in Canada,and too bad no bodoy knows much about it here. Looking on the bright side, I have already informed many of my friends and my family. This is going to work if people will educate them selves about it. "The key is understanding". Everyone should have an open-mind when learning about this.



posted on Nov, 18 2008 @ 08:27 PM
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Hi z, lets exchange some POVs.

Just because I disagree with your view point you think I am a capitalist. Hey, dont be that defensive, I never said that. I´ve just call you on to be more specific.

You know, when I was a child, we used to look upon socialism in a different manner.
Me too. And socialsm is corruption just like capitalism. RB is not like that, it was never tryed before because this society is emergent and symbiotic, these 2 new concepts that could only realized until now WITHOUT religion dominance like the primitives hunters and gatherers who lived with the food available.

Sure sounds really nice, until you get to the point of a working model, which they do not have.
So why proclaiming as a scam? Can we wait and see how it rolls out?

The way I see it, the educated, or more educated, get to have others be their servants to perform in what they say is helping everyone.
Could you point me your line of thought that reached this conclusion? The way I remember VP, the way to go is automatize the labor, not servancy. So far, the whole thing is to free every human being of the 'survival mode' that leads to destruction, imorality, corrupted programmed sheeps of
the estabilshment or TPB.

Now this what really made me question this movement, the re-education of YOU who do not perform or disagree with there mind set or rules, which I do not see any rules posted.
Opening people eyes to the piramid scam of the monetary system is not re-education. You are claiming about rules.... but VP is about peace, not bore; freedom not paid-slavery; strength not by ignorance but with the understanding of a healthy and sustainable ecosystem for all of us (animals and plants included).

You can not be just wild and crazy people running amuck without rules.
Thats exacly the estabilishment view of us. Thats why we need control and wars. We are animals, right? There is nothing as human nature, we only need a non-corrupted education that NOT lead us to be a ignorance strenght of the majority... If you raise a child well, they will not crash your house, they will care and respect. This WONT happen like a flip-flop switch.

I asked in previous post question as 1. What are the rules?, 2. What is the re-education( I kept thinking of shock treatment) Who is the enforcer for all the things that get done. Do not tell me everyone, cause that is a lie.
Im not envolved directly in the VP, but re-education is so far, understand the fraud of the fed and present the concepts of the emergent sustainable systems. As far as the 'everyone is a enforcer', its part of the non-relevant aspect of brutality that we EVENTUALLY will loose OVERTIME.

What I see is if you disagree then you will be re-programed not to be that way.
The only thing right now that is proclaimed are: 1) free food (no survival) 2) free housing; 3) free energy (not zero point yet
4) automation for everything that is finite stated; 5) non-corrupted education; 6) spirituality, not closed loop religions; 7) volunteer work;

it always comes down to WE ALL AGREE TO DISAGREE.
Good. A negative is valid as an affirmative in any science based society. Your failure ratio will be your success ratio.

You will of course be looked down upon , by those WHO WILL BE IN CONTROL
I disagree. Any science society will have to proof why things are the way they are, fitting like a glove for any locally addressed problem. Our society will be like a linux comunity, allways improving and always challenging itself of researching better ways to acchieve improved results and less resource consumption.

So many questions and no right answers as it is what it is a scam.
Its open for debate. There are no close book agenda like the world we live today.


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Robert



posted on Nov, 19 2008 @ 05:42 AM
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I just moved my attention for the first time around other topics of ATS, I can only say that theres more maturity in the world than what I always thought there could be, probably because of all the # I saw in my country for the last years...I feel proud of being a human and I think this is the right time to act together for a higher good.....this is my little reciepe for this crisys...

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posted on Nov, 19 2008 @ 08:16 AM
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Hi z, lets exchange some POVs.

Just because I disagree with your view point you think I am a capitalist. Hey, dont be that defensive, I never said that. I´ve just call you on to be more specific.

No my friend you called me a capitalist, or was implying that I was. What good is that and where is the love? Which makes me think you are unmovable in your train of thinking and thought process, if this where the case then you would have to judge me, and that is not what this group is about right? And if this is the way this group thinks, what will you do re-educate me to think only your way?.


You know, when I was a child, we used to look upon socialism in a different manner.
Me too. And socialsm is corruption just like capitalism. RB is not like that, it was never tryed before because this society is emergent and symbiotic, these 2 new concepts that could only realized until now WITHOUT religion dominance like the primitives hunters and gatherers who lived with the food available.

I beg to differ on this has never been tried before, A couple of Christian sects before the death of Christ have and did exactly with pure love and communism. But the Romans took care of them.
Sure sounds really nice, until you get to the point of a working model, which they do not have.
So why proclaiming as a scam? Can we wait and see how it rolls out?
It does not even have an outreach to those who are in need. Until it has by laws and a constitution it can not be even considered. I see no viable working system in place, or are you going to wing it.

The way I see it, the educated, or more educated, get to have others be their servants to perform in what they say is helping everyone.
Could you point me your line of thought that reached this conclusion? The way I remember VP, the way to go is automatize the labor, not servancy. So far, the whole thing is to free every human being of the 'survival mode' that leads to destruction, imorality, corrupted programmed sheeps of
the estabilshment or TPB.
Lets forget about the sheep and the PTB, we are talking about having in place this utopia that is run by itself. From the Venus Projects own validation (which it has none) says that machines will do everything, well what if I do not want machines to do everything, who and where are the workers for the repair for the common good going to be, and Every Free human I know wants to be left alone to do the things they want to do. Reminds me of a response to a post on this thread way back into the beginning of it, Answer me this, who will clean the toilet of Mr. Joseph. If you say machine, ok, who will do the cleaning of his toilet before the machine is built?. And once the machine is built to clean the toilet, who will do the maintenance. Or even clean the machine that is used for that purpose. You do not need a machine to use a latrine. Some utopia, having to dump in a hole.


Now this what really made me question this movement, the re-education of YOU who do not perform or disagree with there mind set or rules, which I do not see any rules posted.
Opening people eyes to the piramid scam of the monetary system is not re-education. You are claiming about rules.... but VP is about peace, not bore; freedom not paid-slavery; strength not by ignorance but with the understanding of a healthy and sustainable ecosystem for all of us (animals and plants included).

What if I know all about nature as I do very well. What if I do not want the employment that helps the substaning utopia? You can not have peace, without love. Let me get this right, you say freedom is not paid slavery, what about the people who love to work at what they do and enjoy the benefits of the pay, and have the freedom to do what they want, you are pandering to those who are less educated and looking for something better, without the sacrifice. But once they are in this utopia, they will be re-educated to do the will of the project. That my friend is not freedom. You completely miss the answer to my question, what is the re-education process and what does it detail for those who have a disagreement?



You can not be just wild and crazy people running amuck without rules.
Thats exacly the estabilishment view of us. Thats why we need control and wars. We are animals, right? There is nothing as human nature, we only need a non-corrupted education that NOT lead us to be a ignorance strenght of the majority... If you raise a child well, they will not crash your house, they will care and respect. This WONT happen like a flip-flop switch.
Again you have not answered my question. What are the rules? We are not talking about wars or control or about being non-human. Now this non-corrupted education, explain it will you.


I asked in previous post question as 1. What are the rules?, 2. What is the re-education( I kept thinking of shock treatment) Who is the enforcer for all the things that get done. Do not tell me everyone, cause that is a lie.
Im not envolved directly in the VP, but re-education is so far, understand the fraud of the fed and present the concepts of the emergent sustainable systems. As far as the 'everyone is a enforcer', its part of the non-relevant aspect of brutality that we EVENTUALLY will loose OVERTIME.
Again you have no concept of any valid system. You completely have not answered my question yet again, all you profess is words, and words without deeds are just words without any meaning. We are again not talking about fraud of the FED. We are talking about this un- utopian system that controls you once they have you where they your PTB want you to be. And using their system of justice using a re-educated program to control you even more. (do I take the Red pill or the Blue one). It’s a scam to uneducated people. Words, just words without a single product.


What I see is if you disagree then you will be re-programed not to be that way.
The only thing right now that is proclaimed are: 1) free food (no survival) 2) free housing; 3) free energy (not zero point yet 4) automation for everything that is finite stated; 5) non-corrupted education; 6) spirituality, not closed loop religions; 7) volunteer work;

Again you fail misaberly in answering my question. It’s a pie in the eye scam. 1. Free food? Yeah, it just magically appears, like manna from heaven. 2. Free Housing. Sorry you do not like your model, but that’s what we have. 3. Free energy – show me the free energy. (Note to self, I have been working with energy and see nothing free in it, it cost to make a circuit that agitates water to make hydrogen to use as fuel). 5. Non-Corrupted education – From what source does this non-corrupted education come from and what do they teach?. (Still in the back of my mind, you can not answer any question so far without bring in corruption to the forefront). 6. Spirituality – We are spiritual. We have an understanding that there is something , energy, what ever the feeling in your gut is, is a spiritual signification of a religion. 7. Volunteer Work- I keep thinking who is going to volunteer to clean the toilet – will it be a re-education process that does this?.


it always comes down to WE ALL AGREE TO DISAGREE.
Good. A negative is valid as an affirmative in any science based society. Your failure ratio will be your success ratio.

So if my failure ratio does not meets the standards of what? No body can fail if they think what they think is correct. You again FAIL to answer my question.


You will of course be looked down upon , by those WHO WILL BE IN CONTROL
I disagree. Any science society will have to proof why things are the way they are, fitting like a glove for any locally addressed problem. Our society will be like a linux comunity, allways improving and always challenging itself of researching better ways to acchieve improved results and less resource consumption.

So you will prove that I/we will have to clean the toilet and not have food or housing until we do.


So many questions and no right answers as it is what it is a scam.
Its open for debate. There are no close book agenda like the world we live today.
You fail to show us anything that resembles any workable solution to any question I have asked. You have no working model, I can not buy a car or house without trying it out, if I where to do such a thing then I am insane.

I answer your question with my educated thought process. Your answer to be is that we will be computerized robots, like Linux . You have NO working or any outreach facility to promote your utopia. Your insane thought process makes me re-think the educated system we live in, specially when I think of spell checking that you did not use. When I get spam mail, there is always miss- spelt wording to make me think it is not truthful. Why do you not post the rules of this society, so everyone can make an educated guess of why or why not this scam will work. You have failed to. The project has failed too. Look at the people behind this curtain of lies and deceit. You will find your answers there.


Zman



posted on Nov, 19 2008 @ 10:23 AM
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I keep thinking Zman that we are in november 2008 now and that there wont ever be a completed project of a new society to be voted and then accepted. If you are asking for a detailed project I think you will never find it and this because its something impossible. If you read the Venus Project working method on their site you can see that their idea is to build a theme park city to attract people and educate them to the beauties of their new society.Thats what I call being sucked inside a Utopia and it seems to me, and I hope to many others, quite ridiculous and unproductive. Am I saying that their state of the art design work is crap? They are designers, Fresco is a designer, and their job is beautiful because it symbolically represents the alternative to this society,its a futurist goal and its so rich of concepts that it made a lot of people move....without the need to throw scam on other ideas.
Do you know what Zeitgeist mean?Did you see the movies? Its the "Spirit of the time", this time, and the VP is like a painting that keeps the spirit in itself. Is it perfect? I really hope its not because I hope my childs and the childs of my childs will always live in an evolving world. You ask too much to the work of some artists I think. And especially you dont want to see what that painting is bringing up to life. What was the working method of the founding fathers of America? ok they all came from a structured culture but they had to start from scratch too somehow...what was the fuel for their lives then? The Dream, the ideal of freedom, a dream so big it moved mountains.
I think that the Ideal of the Zeitgeist: a world run without money, is the biggest dream of our time and if you want to be practical I tell you that if all of this will only turn out to be a breakthrough from consumism to a non-consumists society I will be one of the happiest persons of the world.

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posted on Nov, 19 2008 @ 11:22 AM
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Originally posted by ThePetrus


I think that the Ideal of the Zeitgeist: a world run without money, is the biggest dream of our time and if you want to be practical I tell you that if all of this will only turn out to be a breakthrough from consumism to a non-consumists society I will be one of the happiest persons of the world.

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Nothing is free but your mind. That is the real world. Even volunteerism is a cost to you. How are you going to clothes ones self and your children. There is a cost and reaction to ever action. I hope you and others who have decided that this is the way to go , do some sole searching and educate yourself on the people who are involved in this Project. Too many people, or un satified people look at this project as a way out of the real world that is now. Instead of repairing the problems we face with our real world they go into this fantasy (Scam) and believe that this is the only way. I am free to go and do what I want now, why should I have constrants imposed on me with this system. Look at the site and show me the rule book. Just can go on winging it.



posted on Nov, 19 2008 @ 11:38 AM
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Originally posted by ThePetrus

Do you know what Zeitgeist mean?Did you see the movies? Its the "Spirit of the time", this time, and the VP is like a painting that keeps the spirit in itself. Is it perfect? I really hope its not because I hope my childs and the childs of my childs will always live in an evolving world. You ask too much to the work of some artists I think. And especially you dont want to see what that painting is bringing up to life. What was the working method of the founding fathers of America? ok they all came from a structured culture but they had to start from scratch too somehow...what was the fuel for their lives then? The Dream, the ideal of freedom, a dream so big it moved mountains.
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Do you know the people involved in this scam?
Are you telling me the artist are the ones who dreamed up this?. I know that it is to control your thought process to do the will of those who impose on you their rules in this movement.
I want my child to be what he wants to be, not what the system wants him to be. In this system, if you had read any of it, tells us of population control, meaning they can tell you who and when you can have a child. Do you really want to live like that, under these controls.
Structure is what we need. There are no real product of this project. It is a scam. I have asked question, and no one has given me a vaild asnwer to my questions.
The way I see it, is they the people who join this project, is for someone to do everything for them while us the re-educated do there bidding.
What I do, for others is more than what this project even does for itself.
I am disabled, yet I give freely to others who have not, does this project do that. Nope.
I live in the mountains, yet I see their project site in Fla. , what if I do not want to live in their proposed living and by their standards, dam I am tired of trying to figure out how to warn people of this scam, yet see people blindly think that they will just be sitting on their butt while things just take care of themself.
Please take care of you and your family. That is what matters. And if you can please help those less fortunate than yourself. The rewards of helps , really can be enlightning.



posted on Nov, 20 2008 @ 09:00 AM
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I just think you are in the wrong topic Zman, create your anti-Zeitgeist one and it will surely be more helpful. I dont think that theres any need to be reconverted back to be missionaries here.
You did that for all your life you said, you trained them and now you live in the mountains, with some regrets I believe.
I think you miss everything of what is going on here and of what is going on in the world too. This is a critical time and we need to face a challenge where the past system proved itself so weak to be able to collapse in a short time, and because of the operate of some of their major institutions too. Dont cry here Zman because of it. Everybody is doing its best.
We are of the same opinion only on one concept: dealing with dreams and new systems shouldnt make you fall totally inside them and you should always keep some criticism about it.
You are free to go yes, as you said...

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posted on Nov, 20 2008 @ 11:16 AM
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Originally posted by ThePetrus
I just think you are in the wrong topic Zman, create your anti-Zeitgeist one and it will surely be more helpful. I dont think that theres any need to be reconverted back to be missionaries here.
You did that for all your life you said, you trained them and now you live in the mountains, with some regrets I believe.
I think you miss everything of what is going on here and of what is going on in the world too. This is a critical time and we need to face a challenge where the past system proved itself so weak to be able to collapse in a short time, and because of the operate of some of their major institutions too. Dont cry here Zman because of it. Everybody is doing its best.
We are of the same opinion only on one concept: dealing with dreams and new systems shouldnt make you fall totally inside them and you should always keep some criticism about it.
You are free to go yes, as you said...


woooo, slow down here. What I did for a small part of my life , yes I prepaired them for what kind of culture there was and what they believe in. I no longer do this by the way. I no longer belong to an orginized religion. I do read all about them, and have quite a few books on the subject. What always comes accross as a truth is NO ONE AGREES. Which I guess is why we having this discussion. What I am about is to help others understand what they are getting into is no all what it appears, is that wrong?. No one even YOU have not answered my many question, but with hate filled half truths. You know the orginater of this fime thread no longer even comes to it, why you may ask, it totally freaked her out. But if you want population controlled world fine. But who gets to live and who gets to die is the fine print I want to see. The rules for this utpoia are no rules and what ever the total popultion of collected mind sets are they are the ones who write the law. Go and prosper and do what YOU can to further your world and help others along the way.



posted on Nov, 20 2008 @ 01:18 PM
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Ok ok , fine man, the thread is all yours.

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posted on Nov, 20 2008 @ 01:34 PM
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Do you people have yet found good area where we should start building city?

Or...

Do someone have something good area close water and is willing to share that area to this city?

Take pictures and send them here if you have area to share. We could try building ground to underground so we don't waste good area to just building on the ground, because underground there is huge space available.



posted on Nov, 21 2008 @ 01:12 PM
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HI,

Sorry about your personal situation. ie:the disability

I think the thing is, once technology reaches the stage it undeniably will be at, very soon, there will be enough free energy and self replicating machines (look up nano replicator) that every one will be able to do as they wish with no-ones elses will enforced on them. You want to sit in a house and play video games...fine.. you want to work in science...fine you want to sit on a river bank and think of things...so what

The point is everyone will be able to do as they wish because the technology will allow it, and the moneyless society which is automatically created when the tech level gets high enough through loss of scarcity, wont allow people to be subjugated or become drones...just by its very nature.

I hope


for now, we just need to be open minded, and stay positive

regards

steve



posted on Nov, 25 2008 @ 06:35 PM
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The Zeitgeist Movement is a good idea in theory but until it acknowlegdes the root cause it is a moot point. No clue how they can make a documentary as good as it is and omit the most crucial part of the International Bankers game.

They seriously need to add a #7 to the movement wich should be:
7) Buy and hoarde as much physical GOLD as you possibly can afford to.

Its insane that this isnt mentioned at all. Seriously think about it.

If: Money = Debt and Debt = enslavement
Then Gold = No Debt = Freedom


Nobody owes anything to Internation Bankers when it comes to Gold.

That is indeed how they can play their games and enslave us all. The key is GOLD!!

Why do you think they made us go off the Gold Standard. If Gold was the world currency they would be put out of business. The Internation Bankers are extremely aware of this anf that is why the price of Gold is highly manipulated and its true value is surpresed. Watch the Gold market and you will see this manipulation. Guess who are the main contributors to the surpression and devaluation of Gold: US Federal Reserve, JP Morgan, and Goldman Sachs +.



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