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So... Who's Going to Join the Zeitgeist Movement??

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posted on Oct, 21 2008 @ 12:00 AM
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TK, if I had the money Id join you


I like the burried house idea, I think that would be super important not just for the protection but especially because of the efficiencies you mention. You can do some pretty amazing stuff with properly aligned mirrors.

I'm not sure how you would save the windmills though... I dont know whats been done with that. But imagine if you could harvest the wind energy from a tornado!!!!!

I still think there can be considerable work done to pull people off the grid even in urban centers. Same technologies just different applications and scale.

[edit on 21-10-2008 by Vitorious]




posted on Oct, 21 2008 @ 03:16 AM
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it is hard for normal people to know whats coming up... but we sure better start joining together in forums. I hope the official website starts soon, or maybe, there is some kind of vip, underground, club that intelectuals are invited, but im sure they will be picking key people for feeding this movement.

VA@MX



posted on Oct, 21 2008 @ 04:46 AM
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If there are details in this great hoax don't be afraid to ask. Of course it seems a little odd that nearly all the people in the world have surrendered under these money mechanics and greed-driving system, but the point is that the faults of this system are not so obvious. Most of the people have no idea where money comes from or how it really works. Most just accept it (just as the people around you) and know only how it works by using it instantly to get goods. Even saving and investing are seen as too complicated systems to actually picture the wide consequences. I think Zeitgeist clears the mechanisms of money in current world very well. But if there still was something that was hard to understand don't instantly deny or accept it but study more and see yourself what is true and what is not.
Spiritual awakening is very possible if you know the flaws and harmful triggers that are in our basis of thinking at the moment. By sorting out reasons and causes through important lessons (like Addendum) it's much clearer to see what is harmful and what constructive.
I'll joint the movement for sure and at least try to spread the word and developed philosophy to others. World still isn't even close to ready yet even after waking up from the paralyzing hypnosis. We need to work on a lot in our brains and with our hands to get a more balanced and sustainable world! The most at the moment you can do is to develop your home town or state or country with the knowledge and educational skills you have gathered. Making world to last more fair and reasonable is going to be a everyday job for the rest our lives, but at least it gives one really important reason more to continue living and to do and think every day for a greater purpose.



posted on Oct, 21 2008 @ 07:54 AM
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posted on Oct, 22 2008 @ 12:00 AM
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posted on Oct, 22 2008 @ 12:25 AM
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I watched the Addendum and thought they are pretty much off the wall. The monetary stuff was interesting but the utopia stuff, lol. they would have to kill alot of folks to make it possible. In the end the "utopia" would have leaders and human nature would take over.



posted on Oct, 22 2008 @ 03:49 PM
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the civil rights movement didn't happen by it's self. It also happened at a time of (up to that point) unprecedented liberty and prosperity for Black Americans. It was Dr. King and to an extent Malcolm X that organized "the movement".



posted on Oct, 22 2008 @ 04:37 PM
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Ok, look. In Zeitgeist addendum he mentions that there is no "utopia" and that it is just an ideal that they are aiming at. The idea behind having to kill people is totally erroneous; if we just leave this society behind, they can't rebel against us as we are NOT NOT NOT forcing this on anybody.

Only those who wish to heed the call of intellectual progress need apply to our society. Also, human instinct and human nature are two different things. The nature we are taught by our society to embrace is one where we fight eachother all the time without a necessary barrier. The truth is that we fight in this society all the time to survive without ever knowing. That is what is so ingenious about it, you never know for a second that you are not free but submit to them willingly.

Our proposition could be compared to the communist movement in theory, but only very minimally and has a LARGE area of departure away from that. The areas they are similar is that we all live in relative peace. After that, it is farce to compare Zeitgeist to Communism.

They based their idea on labor and money, we shun the idea of money and seek to alleviate human labor with robotic and cybernetic labor.

They have ownership, we say that you own your own stuff and your own ideas and that all ideas are shared internationally so that we can progress as a species.

Every communist movement has been "taken over temporarily" by a corrupt leader who used the ideals of communism to lawfully oppress the populace, tax them mercilessly and spend money on WAR! Just like us, except we have capitalism and not a totalitarian dictatorship, though it is getting close to that.

What we need to do is start working our way away from this society by way of buying land, building what we need, getting systems of production in place and developing them over time. Eventually we can start doing this together, but for now we need critical mass that is dedicated enough to get land and start working on the dream.

Please visit my blow zeitgeistmedia.blogspot.com... it is related to this topic and disseminates information about things related to it.



posted on Oct, 22 2008 @ 04:45 PM
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The Venus Project has one thing right. Any kind of economy, wheather it's a wild capitalism or stagnant socialism should have our fellow brothers and sisters at heart.

Unfortunatelly this never occured in *any* economic order. In capitalism we tend to think about ourself and out family regardless of others (there is an advanved altruism too, where one thinks about his/hers direct enviroment too). Sadly, the same happens in communism. I see that in my country after the transition from com to cap.

The bottom line is that Venus Project is right. At least with one thing. Economy should serve people first, the investors second. But since poeple are worth more than profits, money becomes irrelevant, or will in the forseeable future. But hey... who would allow such a thing. Smells of communism doesn't it?



posted on Oct, 22 2008 @ 04:57 PM
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I, for one, am ALL OVER "the Movement".
I will not say that the idea is perfect but it sure as hell beats the one we have going now.

I don't think its about having a perfect solution. That will come in time. Its about standing together in unity and realizing that we don't have to be slaves. We are POWERFUL beings capable of so much more than we have been told we are.
WE can create a utopia.
We can eradicate poverty and starvation.
We will not bow down to the elite.
WE ARE ELITE!

Its about getting our power back and taking a stand. And you know what....WE out number THEM a million to one.

But this is only possible when WE,as human beings unite. No more classes, races, or denominations. We are all the same and we don't need some one to rule us. Once all people are awakened to this fact we will take the Earth back from the terrorists who took it from us.

THE REVOLUTION IS NOW!



posted on Oct, 22 2008 @ 05:08 PM
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hellz ya support the movement. im going to tell everyone i can about this. no matter what ppl think we have a choice, and we should all be entitled to the truth.



posted on Oct, 22 2008 @ 05:17 PM
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Originally posted by krzyspmac
The Venus Project has one thing right. Any kind of economy, wheather it's a wild capitalism or stagnant socialism should have our fellow brothers and sisters at heart


That's the problem. Capitalism by its very nature does not have every ones heart in mind. The very idea of 'everyone' is socialistic. Capitalism's heart is to ensure people have the opportunity to rise above other people.



posted on Oct, 23 2008 @ 07:07 AM
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I wish I live in a place where we dont face fear of tech for someone to
loose his job and cant buy his food or cant afford a roof over his head.

The only thinkable way right now is that food, housing and health should
NOT be a concern but a right. You shouldnt fight your way out like the 'law
of the jungle'.

Thing is, when you face a quit or fire in the job those are the first things
that comes to mind.

So, we need a safety net to overcome capitalism by technology.

The VP was a shift momentum for me in that matter, as we dont really
need to see any job as the only reason for us to exist.

Heck, we are not natural born slaves!

Consciousness needs a free mind of these matters (check my essay on
sig). If we everyday swet-shop our living, there is no tomorrow or near
plans for your life. So no future.

It is likely you became frustrated and tired. And bored. And there always
a catch withing that situation: welcome drugs, live your life like theres no
tomorrow, enjoy while you can... if you get my point, the list goes on and
on.

For any society to grow without fear of technology, these matters must be
solved first.

The political arena should slowly replaced by scientists and there is no
need for leaders - we stick to a principle and all the things will WORK FOR
US, not the other way around.

I dont know if im biased, but as computer programmer I tend to see these
events in a more 'welcomed' way.

When a new generation is born free of 'must labor to be independent'
ways of today, then mankind will rise of brutality (as ZG:A states in the
beginning) and NEVER let go of dreaming about tomorrow, letting
machines do it for us more efficiently and surely scalable for everyone.

That will result in all of us thinking of our future.
That will engineer a perpetuos state of consciousness.



posted on Oct, 26 2008 @ 04:33 AM
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You talked about job thing, so i thought write some things about it too to show people what reality is really in job thing. Ok, let's go first thing, you get in to the job place, you do one mistake what did make big or small bussiness error in their market and you got fired, so you now have been left out of job and that was only job what were closest and what you did have your training in from schools. Sometimes happens at those jobs are allready full and so, you need run because of job, because "food" cost, everything cost, water cost, everything cost. Let's go to next thing, we are now without job, you need to pay your things but because you have only limited size of money left, you will last step start feeling hunger because you don't have enough money normal life food of box or whatever it could be called, what will make you have what you needed have everyday. But because you can't have that, your body structure starts weakening and losing control what makes losing control in your mind too, because you haven't eat that much what body need to eat everyday. You need job but because you didn't have training to other your area job places or those what were full were that places where those you could have got training, but they were full so in your area there is no job for you because of your limited training what you choosed to train yourself because you thought at that was good place to have job, but because mistake you did got fired out and now word going to place to place and they telling: You should not take that one in your job place, he/she will crush your money someday because he/she is not "perfect" in these jobs.

You don't have money to travel far to your job from there, because you need to pay that area apartment too if you want live there, othewise you need get used to living on the street and that what makes job places bosses see you not worthy to job in his job place because you seem to be poor so you seem to be not worthy to them, because you smell bad and look bad because if you go there, so you try get training from your area to different job place. Ok, you eat food from carbade boxes what you find there, because you have limited money to pay your school too where you training yourself and try pay other taxes, water, house, electricity, you don't have money to buy some thing what makes free electricity to your house. So, you get training, but think what, you found out at they closed those jobs from your area where you did get training because they didn't do well bussiness, so you wasted your time to wrong training, wrong training. Sometimes its that kind thing too at you find out at when you go some job place, you find out at it was really full that time after you got training for that job. Bosses do not usually take in job places those who don't have training to that thing. Some bosses do take those ones in too who don't have training for that job, because they training newcomers in their own job place, but usually those are full. I tried get most of things out of this job thing, so people see how it works and why everyone do not have even job even if they have training for that job allready. Sometimes you lose job because job is replaced by robots or because bussiness falls in job place so it needed to be shutdown because of crash and lose of money, because of it not "sell well". People do not think much about this system what we have now, that is the problem what we need to solve how we could inform people to think now going on system closer than just look 2 sec it with telescope.



posted on Oct, 26 2008 @ 02:54 PM
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I will definitely be joining the zeitgeist movement. the world must change, people must change and i intend to do anything i can to help this change happen. please tell me if there any meetings in the UK that i can attend... i want to get the movement up and running everywhere!



posted on Oct, 26 2008 @ 07:13 PM
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Ok because we need meeting place somekind where works in thinking and discussing things happens faster. We no need start discussing all the way from what we talked here because its all "here". So, we need focus to goal. Discussing same things again and again do not help thing much going forward, goal going forward. So, i thought make some place to us where talking happens faster and so on, you can join in coming "watching" or joining "talking". Its your choice.

Now link

chat.parachat.com...



posted on Oct, 27 2008 @ 11:53 AM
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Hi, man i dont know what to make of you post.
Could you bring small sentences and numeric steps?
Im gessing your post is about how someone can really be f´cked up by
capitalism?


RP



posted on Oct, 27 2008 @ 11:55 AM
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Have any of you seen this: www.zeitgeistsociety.org... It seems a copycat site has come out of the woodworks. Whats their angle, I wonder?



posted on Oct, 27 2008 @ 11:56 AM
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Activism and recruiting is prohibited on ATS, so no one is going be to joining the Zeitgeist Movement.

FSME: ATS policy on "Activism" [READ]



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posted on Oct, 27 2008 @ 12:00 PM
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I dont know if this is really happening... IMHO this thread is more like a rant-on over capitalism...



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