Why was Joe Bidens mistakes not pointed out in the media???

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posted on Oct, 5 2008 @ 06:02 AM
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Here is a short list of factual mistakes that anyone can look up that was made by Joe Biden, Bidens facts when unchecked, while on the other hand Palins was scrutinized word for word. He has been a sitting Senator for 35 years and some of these are simple facts that I would expect a leader to know. I myself knew them just being up with current news. Can someone pls tell me why Joe Biden has not been called out on these mistakes, and how an orginazation like CNN can say he clearly won by a landslide? If anyone can prove any of the following links wrong pls give me details as to where you found your material. thanks

1. TAX VOTE: Biden said McCain voted “the exact same way” as Obama to increase taxes on Americans earning just $42,000, but McCain DID NOT VOTE THAT WAY.

2. AHMEDINIJAD MEETING: Joe Biden lied when he said that Barack Obama never said that he would sit down unconditionally with Mahmoud Ahmedinijad of Iran. Barack Obama did say specifically, and Joe Biden attacked him for it.

3. OFFSHORE OIL DRILLING: Biden said, “Drill we must.” But Biden has opposed offshore drilling and even compared offshore drilling to “raping” the Outer Continental Shelf.”

4. TROOP FUNDING: Joe Biden lied when he indicated that John McCain and Barack Obama voted the same way against funding the troops in the field. John McCain opposed a bill that included a timeline, that the President of the United States had already said he would veto regardless of it’s passage.

5. OPPOSING CLEAN COAL: Biden says he’s always been for clean coal, but he just told a voter that he is against clean coal and any new coal plants in America and has a record of voting against clean coal and coal in the U.S. Senate.

6. ALERNATIVE ENERGY VOTES: According to FactCheck.org, Biden is exaggerating and overstating John McCain’s record voting for alternative energy when he says he voted against it 23 times.

7. HEALTH INSURANCE: Biden falsely said McCain will raise taxes on people's health insurance coverage -- they get a tax credit to offset any tax hike. Independent fact checkers have confirmed this attack is false

8. OIL TAXES: Biden falsely said Palin supported a windfall profits tax in Alaska -- she reformed the state tax and revenue system, it's not a windfall profits tax. Our PFD is not from a windfall tax, its from a structured settlement to the oil companies that is funded on the open market.

9. AFGHANISTAN / GEN. MCKIERNAN COMMENTS: Biden said that top military commander in Iraq said the principles of the surge could not be applied to Afghanistan, but the commander of NATO's International Security Assistance Force Gen. David D. McKiernan said that there were principles of the surge strategy, including working with tribes, that could be applied in Afghanistan.

10. REGULATION: Biden falsely said McCain weakened regulation -- he actually called for more regulation on Fannie and Freddie.

11. IRAQ: When Joe Biden lied when he said that John McCain was “dead wrong on Iraq”, because Joe Biden shared the same vote to authorize the war and differed on the surge strategy where they John McCain has been proven right.

12. TAX INCREASES: Biden said Americans earning less than $250,000 wouldn’t see higher taxes, but the Obama-Biden tax plan would raise taxes on individuals making $200,000 or more.

13. BAILOUT: Biden said the economic rescue legislation matches the four principles that Obama laid out, but in reality it doesn’t meet two of the four principles that Obama outlined on Sept. 19, which were that it include an emergency economic stimulus package, and that it be part of “part of a globally coordinated effort with our partners in the G-20.”

14. REAGAN TAX RATES: Biden is wrong in saying that under Obama, Americans won't pay any more in taxes then they did under Reagan.

15. Biden said the US and France had driven Hesbala out of Lebanon, taking credit for that to sway the Jewish vote, Hezbalah has not been driven out of Lebanon, they are still there today. As a sitting Senator these are simple facts he should know.

16. He mistated what the constitution says about the VP duties are, he even got the article wrong also. Once again Sarah Palin knew what the duties of the VP was and Joe Biden who has been working for the VP for 35 years was blantantly wrong.

17. He stated we spend more in a month in Iraq then we have spent the entire war in Afghanistan. That is about 2000 percent wrong. He has no concept of the amount of money being spent in either warfront. Once again he is a sitting

18. He lied when he said the Obama had never said the we were bombing villages and killing civillians in Afghanistan. Obama clearly said that and you can find it on youtube.




posted on Oct, 5 2008 @ 06:24 AM
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your right
America deserves 4 mores years of GOP
bring on that rapture a.s.a.p eh

then the rest of the world can move on



posted on Oct, 5 2008 @ 06:27 AM
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I didn't watch the debate. Can you provide links backing up your claims? Otherwise it is a he said / she said game where we just have to take your word over his. Mind you, he is a politician so the odds that he was lying is pretty high.

I just prefer links in cases like this.



posted on Oct, 5 2008 @ 06:44 AM
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Yes, please provide your sources for each one of your points. That would help a lot



posted on Oct, 5 2008 @ 07:43 AM
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Because the media doesn't do it's job anymore. They blatantly support the most socialist candidate in every race. Haven't you been paying attention?

And to you guys that "want proof that he said those words" WATCH the debate schmuck!

Biden lied his ass off during that debate over and over again. He wasn't "mistaken" he's full of it!



posted on Oct, 5 2008 @ 07:54 AM
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I have seen it 3 times from start to finish. And it's not "proof that he said those words!" that we are asking for, its factual verification of the OPs claims that those words were lies.

The OP is wanting us to take his word for it, which is exactly what he said we shouldn't be doing i.e Bidens word.

Thus we are asking for sources. Make sense?

[edit on 5-10-2008 by Lucid Lunacy]



posted on Oct, 5 2008 @ 08:29 AM
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Want sourses? Check voting records for McCain, Obama, and Biden.
Want sourses? Google the speeches for McCain and Obama.
Want sources? Got the their web sites.
Both sides are stretching the truth. (Oh Hell, their just downright lying.)
But the fact of the matter is, when Sarah Palin says something, the press is all over it. When Biden makes a major mistake, they mention it in passing, if at all.
The MSM has ordained that Barrack Obama is going to be our next president, and lead us into an unprecedented era of socialism which will dystroy the middle class.
If anyone thinks he is only going to tax those making over $200,0000(or $250,000, depending on which speech you believe) then you are sadly mistaken. A democrat never met a tax he didn't like, and as his term in office advances(if he is elected) then I can guarantee that taxes on the middle class will rise. First it will be on those makeing a $100.000. THen $50,000. And finally he will end up taxing people getting welfare.



posted on Oct, 5 2008 @ 08:31 AM
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So asking for a source to back up a claim makes me a schmuck....

That sucks.



posted on Oct, 5 2008 @ 08:46 AM
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Originally posted by kettlebellysmith
But the fact of the matter is, when Sarah Palin says something, the press is all over it. When Biden makes a major mistake, they mention it in passing, if at all.


The fact of the matter is that when people say stuff like that they rarely back it up with sources



posted on Oct, 5 2008 @ 05:03 PM
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Its easy to rebut statements with "facts" when you don't understand, or choose to ignore, the definition of the word "fact." None of your claims are substantiated by anything even resembling facts, just contradictory declarative statements. Biden has a long track record which offers a wide array of real "facts" that you could use to support your claims if you had any interest in the truth. However, you've decided to take the lead of this Republican campaign's effort to redefine the tools of analysis. Such as the MSM filter, previously known as the Liberal Media. Or suggesting that all "facts" are colored by the ideology of the sources from which they originate. This muddying of the waters might serve the Republican campaign right now, but at a great cost of actual substantive policy debate. Do you think what you have written is actually capable of changing someone's opinion, or are you just preaching to the choir?



posted on Oct, 5 2008 @ 05:08 PM
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Fact Check

Here is the link for FactCheck.org's analysis of the VP debate. I don't think it covers all of the OP's original points, but it does cover a lot of the points.....from both Biden and Palin.

Souce links....not just for schmucks any more!!


[edit on 10/5/2008 by skeptic1]



posted on Oct, 5 2008 @ 05:09 PM
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www.sanluisobispo.com...

this is from a tribune, not sure how accurate, but another source to check out.


[edit on 5-10-2008 by pureevil81]



posted on Oct, 5 2008 @ 05:15 PM
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Well, it looks like the OP got a few wrong too. But for those asking for references, Fact Check does a very good job of breaking it down on both sides of the debate.



posted on Oct, 5 2008 @ 07:25 PM
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Just google the debate, or watch it on tv and you can watch. I am sorry I have no way to post the whole debate but I do have it on tivo and have went over it many times and have listed the sites you can double check my facts.



posted on Oct, 5 2008 @ 07:30 PM
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Both candidates lies or manlged facts were listed and looked over by factcheck.org: www.factcheck.org...

Most of the things factcheck pointed out I noticed news stations talking about the next day, discussing Biden and Palin.

EDIT: sorry didn't notice skeptic1posted it already. Who by the way was kind enough to direct me to the link in another thread.

[edit on 5-10-2008 by rapinbatsisaltherage]



posted on Oct, 5 2008 @ 07:32 PM
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reply to post by Lucid Lunacy
 


I am not sure what you want, the source for Joe Bidens remarks was the VP debate, I took the remarks straight from the debate and researched them thru Factcheck.org, on the alaskan issues, I am an alaskan and know the policies first hand up here thru our newspapers, but there is a PFD site you can go to, to further understand how S.P handled the tax rebate from the oil companies, all the others were taken of the the congressional website which shows the bills that Obama and McCain have voted on and it also show the bills that Obama has initiated or sat on a committee to help get proposed. If there is anything in paticular that would be alot easier than going thru each one individually.



posted on Oct, 5 2008 @ 07:35 PM
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I cant believe you are even saying what you just said. If you watched it 3 times then you would know he said them, You just made absolutely no sense by saying I watched it 3 times and that doest prove he said what he siad. I took his words verbatim and nothing was taken out of context, this isnt an opinion piece, This is a FACT piece, i just took what Biden stated as facts and FACTCHECKED them. I know thats a new concept but it something as a college student you have to do everytime you write a paper.



posted on Oct, 5 2008 @ 07:36 PM
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They both mangled facts, but at least Biden answered the questions, rather then try and divert attention back to energy.

[edit on 5-10-2008 by davion]



posted on Oct, 5 2008 @ 07:37 PM
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I posted several times in my aritcle FactCheck.org. Did any of the people trying to say this is not credible even read my aritcle. Factcheck has most of the facts there, there is only like 3 that I had to go elsewhere to research.

Dont just say I got some wrong, tell me which ones I got wrong. I have to say I didnt get any wrong. You cant just log on and say I am wrong, I took down the facts and I thought I did a good job of showing where I got my facts from, now you show me or at least tell me the ones you think I am wrong. My facts are not opinions, is your bias on the matter causing you to inject your opinion that some of them are wrong.

[edit on 5-10-2008 by alienj]



posted on Oct, 5 2008 @ 07:42 PM
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Originally posted by alienj
reply to post by redhatty
 


I posted several times in my aritcle FactCheck.org.[edit on 5-10-2008 by alienj]


The reason I mentioned FC is because other posters asked you for sources, also I mentioned FC so people could go and read the lies both candidates stated, not just Biden. I've seen several news sites and TV media mention both candidates mistakes. How much of the media are you claiming doesn't mention both and what channels have you watched that made you draw the conclusion that the media as a whole is only attacking Palin?





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