Much of this is a rehash, still I went ahead and posted the whole thing. There is at least one discrepancy, which I will post below.
TBR News October 13, 2008
www.tbrnews.org...
The Voice of the White House
"Washington, D.C., October 12, 2008, “The final chapter of the sinister MV Iran Denyant has not yet been written but what has appeared in public,
and most important, what has not, is a highly instructive example of how any kind of unwelcome news is treated inside the United States.
For example, today (October 13, 2008 ed) we read a most informative and unfortunate article in the New York Times concerning a man best described as a
dangerous nut, circulating outrageous and totally untrue lies about Obama. The fabricator, one Andy Martin, was denied admission to the Illinois bar
as a lawyer because he was deemed to be psychotic. Martin, who is known for his chronic filing of endless, pointless lawsuits against everybody in
sight and is also well-known as an anti-Semite, is absolutely typical of the lunatic and vicious trash so eagerly embraced, and used, by the
Republicans on a daily basis.
But the Denyant issue is far different, and far more important, than the usual vicious Republican lies and libels in a political campaign.
There are facts about this ship which I will list here, along with the deliberately misleading propaganda generated by American officialdom:
· The MV Iran Deyanat , a 44,458 dead weight bulk carrier is owned and operated by the Islamic Republic of Iran Shipping Lines (IRISL) - a
state-owned company run by the Iranian military that was sanctioned by the U.S. Department of the Treasury on September 10, shortly after the ship's
hijacking.
· According to the U.S Department of the Treasury; the company regularly falsifies shipping documents in order to hide the identity of end
users, uses generic terms to describe shipments to avoid the attention of shipping authorities, and employs the use of cover entities to circumvent
United Nations sanctions to facilitate weapons proliferation for the Iranian Ministry of Defense.
Major Iranian Shipping Company Designated for Proliferation Activity
September 10, 2008
U.S. Department of the Treasury
HP-1130
Washington, DC--The U.S. Department of the Treasury's Office of Foreign Assets Control today designated the Islamic Republic of Iran
Shipping Lines (IRISL), and 18 other affiliated entities, for providing logistical services to Iran's Ministry of Defense and Armed Forces Logistics
(MODAFL).
"Not only does IRISL facilitate the transport of cargo for U.N. designated proliferators, it also falsifies documents and uses
deceptive schemes to shroud its involvement in illicit commerce," said Stuart Levey, Under Secretary for Terrorism and Financial Intelligence.
"IRISL's actions are part of a broader pattern of deception and fabrication that Iran uses to advance its nuclear and missile programs. That conduct
should give pause to any financial institution or business still choosing to deal with Iran."
· The MV Iran Deyanat departed Nanjing, China, July 28, and, according to its falsified manifest, planned to sail to Rotterdam, where it
would offload 42,500 tons of iron ore and "industrial products" purchased by an unidentified “ German client
The ship had a crew of 29 men, including a Pakistani captain, an Iranian engineer, 13 other Iranians, 3 Indians, 2 Filipinos, and 10
Eastern Europeans, stated to be Albanians
On August 21st, 2008, the MV Iran Deyant was heading towards the Suez Canal. As it was passing the Horn of Africa, about 80 miles southeast of
al-Makalla in Yemen, the ship was surrounded by speedboats filled with members of a gang of Somalia pirates who grab suitable commercial ships and
hold them,, and their cargos and crews for ransom. The captain was defenseless against the 40 pirates armed with AK-47s and rocket-propelled grenades
blocking his passage. He had little choice other than to turn his ship over to them
The MV Iran Deyanat was brought to Eyl, a small fishing village in northeastern Somalia, and was secured by a larger gang of pirates - 50 onboard and
50 onshore. The Somali pirates attempted to inspect the ship's seven cargo containers but the containers were locked. The crew claimed that they did
not have the "access codes" and could not open them. Pirates have stated they were unable to open the hold without causing extensive damage to the
ship, and threatened to blow it up The Iranian ship’s captain and the engineer were contactd by cell phone and demanded to disclose the actual
nature of the mysterious “powdered cargo” but the captain and his officers were very evasive. Initially they said that the cargo contained "crude
oil" but then claimed it contained "minerals." Following this initial rebuff, the pirates broke open one of the containers and discovered it to be
filled with packets of what they said was “a powdery fine sandy soil”
The Somali pirates initially set the ship's ransom at $2 million and the Iranian government provided $200,000 to a local broker "to facilitate the
exchange." The $2 million dollar ransom agreement, which was supposedly secured on September 6th, never took place for reasons unknown. After
September 10th, sanctions on IRISL were applied specifically because the company was said to engaged in illicit operations on behalf of the Iranian
Revolutionary Guard Corps."
Con't
The Iranian Mystery Ship: Death from the Sea , page 8
privacy
reply posted on 17-10-2008 @ 05:08 PM by ballast
reply to post by ballast
"Serious negotiations between the Somali pirates and Iran were broken off completely. Iranian authorities subsequently denied that it agreed to the price nor had paid any money to the pirates. Nevertheless, after sanctions were applied to IRISL on September 10, the Iranians told the pirates that the deal was off. They told the pirates that they could not come from Iran and take possession of the ship “ because of the presence of the U.S. Navy." The region is patrolled by the multinational Combined Taskforce 150, which includes ships from the U.S. Navy's Fifth Fleet
Subsequently, it was disclosed that the U.S. government had offered to pay $7 million to the pirates to "receive entry permission and search the vessel." Officials in the Pentagon and the Department of State consistently refused to comment on the situation.
Immediately after the ship was taken and the mysterious deaths reported, U.S. Naval uints moved to the scene and prevented any movement of the MV Iran Deyanat. They were later joined by Russian, French and Dutch naval units
On Octrober 10, 2008, Somalian pirates released three Indians and 26 other members of the crew after keeping them in captivity for more than one and half months (Comment: If, as we are now told, the ship is “free” and enroute to Muscat or Iran, who crews her? The entire crew was released by the pirates and returned to their home countries. Ed)
The ship was released by Somali pirates on October 10, 2008, after a $250,000 cash bribe was paid by the U.S. Navy for her release.
The MV Iran Denyant was taken into immediate custody of a joint naval taskforce present, to include Russian and French ships. Crew members had all been interrogated and a number, deemed “uninformed of the ship’s course or cargo” were duly released to their diplomatic representatives. The ship was borded, occupied and thoroughly searched by U..S. .Navy specialists but a subsequent report on the suspicious cargo containers was heavily classified. Russian sources indicate that the ship was carrying a “highly radioactive” cargo in specially built” containers and that this cargo was falsely listed in the ship’s manifest. Also, there were many falsities in the manifest, to include a false listing of the cargo and the destination of it. A subsequent investigation into the alleged German firm to whom the “chemicals and machine parts” or “iron ore” or even “rocks, cement and metals” * were to be delivered proved that there was no such German firm involved. At the request of American authorities, the Russians have refused to release any further information.
The final disposition of the ship is, at this writing (August 13, 2008) not disclosed but she is in the current custody of the U.S. Navy..
***Our vessel was not traveling from Iran but was going from China to the Netherlands. It was carrying rocks, cement and metals and not chemicals as reported by our foes,” said Mahmud Akhmadi from the Parliamentarian Committee on Security and Foreign Relations of Iran.
The MV Iran Denyant, with new paint, lying off the coast of Somalia after her capture.
The problem with this ship should be fairly obvious. She was carrying a container cargo that to all intents and purposes was at least partially full of highly radioactive material, obtained as waste from Chinese atomic facilities. The new, and rather clever, propaganda story is that it is true the ship was full of this material but actually, the evil Iranians and, one planted story said, the Italian Mafia, planned to dump it illegally in Somali waters. Planted stories, put out by the DoD, state that various unspecified countries had been dumping tons of radioactive waste into the same area for “many years.” Given the terrible effects of such dumpings, it is not possible to believe that it ever happened. Not only would there be an immediately obvious die-off of huge numbers of fish, but the radioactivity in the water, and radioactivity is closely monitored by many countries, would attract world-wide notice.
One supposes that the next bit of creating writing will be that the radioactive material was really destined for Iranian evil purposes but the ship missed the turn into the Persian Gulf and somehow got lost hundreds of miles away. This story would be designed for those who have no access to world maps.
I have on my desk as I write, email print outs of official U.S. "story lines" on this and we know the Al Jazeera story about all the countries that dump "tons of radioactive waste into the ocean, just off Somalia." I would think that this might impress the illiterate foreigners who find out about it but it does not fool me or anyone who works for me.
I wonder what the next bull# paper will contain? That the ship only contained contaminated Chinese milk? It is rather disappointing that our disinformation organs are not perhaps a little bit better. We ought to giftwrap their paychecks.,” "
"Serious negotiations between the Somali pirates and Iran were broken off completely. Iranian authorities subsequently denied that it agreed to the price nor had paid any money to the pirates. Nevertheless, after sanctions were applied to IRISL on September 10, the Iranians told the pirates that the deal was off. They told the pirates that they could not come from Iran and take possession of the ship “ because of the presence of the U.S. Navy." The region is patrolled by the multinational Combined Taskforce 150, which includes ships from the U.S. Navy's Fifth Fleet
Subsequently, it was disclosed that the U.S. government had offered to pay $7 million to the pirates to "receive entry permission and search the vessel." Officials in the Pentagon and the Department of State consistently refused to comment on the situation.
Immediately after the ship was taken and the mysterious deaths reported, U.S. Naval uints moved to the scene and prevented any movement of the MV Iran Deyanat. They were later joined by Russian, French and Dutch naval units
On Octrober 10, 2008, Somalian pirates released three Indians and 26 other members of the crew after keeping them in captivity for more than one and half months (Comment: If, as we are now told, the ship is “free” and enroute to Muscat or Iran, who crews her? The entire crew was released by the pirates and returned to their home countries. Ed)
The ship was released by Somali pirates on October 10, 2008, after a $250,000 cash bribe was paid by the U.S. Navy for her release.
The MV Iran Denyant was taken into immediate custody of a joint naval taskforce present, to include Russian and French ships. Crew members had all been interrogated and a number, deemed “uninformed of the ship’s course or cargo” were duly released to their diplomatic representatives. The ship was borded, occupied and thoroughly searched by U..S. .Navy specialists but a subsequent report on the suspicious cargo containers was heavily classified. Russian sources indicate that the ship was carrying a “highly radioactive” cargo in specially built” containers and that this cargo was falsely listed in the ship’s manifest. Also, there were many falsities in the manifest, to include a false listing of the cargo and the destination of it. A subsequent investigation into the alleged German firm to whom the “chemicals and machine parts” or “iron ore” or even “rocks, cement and metals” * were to be delivered proved that there was no such German firm involved. At the request of American authorities, the Russians have refused to release any further information.
The final disposition of the ship is, at this writing (August 13, 2008) not disclosed but she is in the current custody of the U.S. Navy..
***Our vessel was not traveling from Iran but was going from China to the Netherlands. It was carrying rocks, cement and metals and not chemicals as reported by our foes,” said Mahmud Akhmadi from the Parliamentarian Committee on Security and Foreign Relations of Iran.
The MV Iran Denyant, with new paint, lying off the coast of Somalia after her capture.
The problem with this ship should be fairly obvious. She was carrying a container cargo that to all intents and purposes was at least partially full of highly radioactive material, obtained as waste from Chinese atomic facilities. The new, and rather clever, propaganda story is that it is true the ship was full of this material but actually, the evil Iranians and, one planted story said, the Italian Mafia, planned to dump it illegally in Somali waters. Planted stories, put out by the DoD, state that various unspecified countries had been dumping tons of radioactive waste into the same area for “many years.” Given the terrible effects of such dumpings, it is not possible to believe that it ever happened. Not only would there be an immediately obvious die-off of huge numbers of fish, but the radioactivity in the water, and radioactivity is closely monitored by many countries, would attract world-wide notice.
One supposes that the next bit of creating writing will be that the radioactive material was really destined for Iranian evil purposes but the ship missed the turn into the Persian Gulf and somehow got lost hundreds of miles away. This story would be designed for those who have no access to world maps.
I have on my desk as I write, email print outs of official U.S. "story lines" on this and we know the Al Jazeera story about all the countries that dump "tons of radioactive waste into the ocean, just off Somalia." I would think that this might impress the illiterate foreigners who find out about it but it does not fool me or anyone who works for me.
I wonder what the next bull# paper will contain? That the ship only contained contaminated Chinese milk? It is rather disappointing that our disinformation organs are not perhaps a little bit better. We ought to giftwrap their paychecks.,” "
reply posted on 17-10-2008 @ 05:57 PM by ballast
TBR.org is clearly a liberal site, so it seems that they/he would be less likely to take such an interest in the MV Deyanat.
One obvious discrepancy is:
www.tbrnews.org...
"The MV Iran Deyanat was brought to Eyl, a small fishing village in northeastern Somalia, and was secured by a larger gang of pirates - 50 onboard and 50 onshore."
According to a previous report after the pirates captured the ship, they took it to another port before Eyl.
Looks like it might take me a while to find the reference, all of the articles I saved on my computer aren't opening properly, ugh! If I can find it I'll post it.
Here is a link to a list of MV Deyanat articles:
interceder.net...
One obvious discrepancy is:
www.tbrnews.org...
"The MV Iran Deyanat was brought to Eyl, a small fishing village in northeastern Somalia, and was secured by a larger gang of pirates - 50 onboard and 50 onshore."
According to a previous report after the pirates captured the ship, they took it to another port before Eyl.
Looks like it might take me a while to find the reference, all of the articles I saved on my computer aren't opening properly, ugh! If I can find it I'll post it.
Here is a link to a list of MV Deyanat articles:
interceder.net...
reply posted on 18-10-2008 @ 06:38 AM by makeitso
Originally posted by ballast
According to a previous report after the pirates captured the ship, they took it to another port before Eyl.
The other port?
Then they said their trawl boats do not have fuel and asked us to take them to Rusban. At Rusban, they put forth their demands and told us to contact the government and the ship owner for ransom.”
Where the heck is Rusban?
Was something either off-loaded or loaded on the ship at that location other than fuel?
Originally posted by ballast
(Comment: If, as we are now told, the ship is “free” and enroute to Muscat or Iran, who crews her? The entire crew was released by the pirates and returned to their home countries. Ed)
Who crews her now? Good question
One of the original crewmembers indicates
“Once the pirates left, we approached the Iranian ship (waiting for us) from which we were given food and water for the journey to Salala Port. At Salala Port, we were given tickets to Muscat. From Muscat I reached Mumbai on Thursday morning and reached Mangalore at 11 am.”
Source
reply posted on 18-10-2008 @ 07:36 AM by makeitso
Slightly different version of events
2 ports before Eyl?
It also says an Iranian ship escorted the MV Iran Deyanat to Oman
Source
2 ports before Eyl?
The pirates said their boats were out of fuel, and asked for them to be towed to a nearby port. The ship travelled to Reassban on the Somali coast, where it was detained for a day, at the end of which period, the pirates took it to another port, Reassaaf.
“We spent two days at Reassaaf. Then the pirates said we must move again, to escape other gangs in surrounding waters. They said they were taking us to the Ely coast, where their boss, Abdul Hakeem, would meet us.”
It also says an Iranian ship escorted the MV Iran Deyanat to Oman
“In early October, came the message that an Iranian vessel had reached Somali waters with the ransom money. The pirates sent the ship’s chief officer to fetch it, warning him that the captain would be on the ship with a gun to his head till he returned with the money.
When the money came into their hands, the pirates scanned them with fake-currency detectors. Ten people then left, and once the money was safely on land, the rest left too, and the ship was released. That was on October 10.”
Iran naval ships escorted the ship till Oman
Source
reply posted on 18-10-2008 @ 07:52 AM by makeitso
Different version of events by another survivor
Source
They then navigated our ship to four different places, and finally dropped anchor at a place surrounded by deep forests,” Anthony recounts.
Source
reply posted on 18-10-2008 @ 01:27 PM by ballast
Excellent contributions, the saga continues...
I ran accross something intriguing. The timing is spot on and may be the work of the 'good guys'.
www.foxnews.com...
"Four of the five main online forums that the terrorist group uses to communicate with followers were disabled on Sept. 10, monitors of the Web sites told the newspaper.
The loss to Al Qaeda is the equivalent of the Pentagon's and the White House's Web sites suddenly going offline, expert Evan Kohlmann told the Post, and it has left the propaganda strategy that Usama bin Laden and his followers rely on "hanging by a narrow thread."
The Wash. Post article is well worth reading and several pages:
www.washingtonpost.com...
(Sorry, long link trouble, the fox link above has the link to this article)
"Four of the five main online forums that al-Qaeda 's media wing uses to distribute statements by Osama bin Laden and other extremists have been disabled since mid-September, monitors of the Web sites say.
The disappearance of the forums on Sept. 10 -- and al-Qaeda's apparent inability to restore them or create alternate online venues, as it has before -- has curbed the organization's dissemination of the words and images of its fugitive leaders. On Sept. 29, a statement by the al-Fajr Media Center, a distribution network created by supporters of al-Qaeda and other Sunni extremist groups, said the forums had disappeared "for technical reasons," and it urged followers not to trust look-alike sites."
There is background intelligence as well, from our friends at Northeast Intelligence.#1-August 2, 2008, #2-24 Sept. 2008, #3-3 Oct. 2008
#1-Couldn't find this one, odd. He usually places a link. The report is referred to on the 24 Sept. report.
#2 www.homelandsecurityus.com...
#3 www.homelandsecurityus.com...
I've listed these before, but once again, they deserve another look. I'm going to give this all some thought....(was that groaning I heard?)
Edit to fix link 1, 2
[edit on 18-10-2008 by ballast]
[edit on 18-10-2008 by ballast]
I ran accross something intriguing. The timing is spot on and may be the work of the 'good guys'.
www.foxnews.com...
"Four of the five main online forums that the terrorist group uses to communicate with followers were disabled on Sept. 10, monitors of the Web sites told the newspaper.
The loss to Al Qaeda is the equivalent of the Pentagon's and the White House's Web sites suddenly going offline, expert Evan Kohlmann told the Post, and it has left the propaganda strategy that Usama bin Laden and his followers rely on "hanging by a narrow thread."
The Wash. Post article is well worth reading and several pages:
www.washingtonpost.com...
(Sorry, long link trouble, the fox link above has the link to this article)
"Four of the five main online forums that al-Qaeda 's media wing uses to distribute statements by Osama bin Laden and other extremists have been disabled since mid-September, monitors of the Web sites say.
The disappearance of the forums on Sept. 10 -- and al-Qaeda's apparent inability to restore them or create alternate online venues, as it has before -- has curbed the organization's dissemination of the words and images of its fugitive leaders. On Sept. 29, a statement by the al-Fajr Media Center, a distribution network created by supporters of al-Qaeda and other Sunni extremist groups, said the forums had disappeared "for technical reasons," and it urged followers not to trust look-alike sites."
There is background intelligence as well, from our friends at Northeast Intelligence.#1-August 2, 2008, #2-24 Sept. 2008, #3-3 Oct. 2008
#1-Couldn't find this one, odd. He usually places a link. The report is referred to on the 24 Sept. report.
#2 www.homelandsecurityus.com...
#3 www.homelandsecurityus.com...
I've listed these before, but once again, they deserve another look. I'm going to give this all some thought....(was that groaning I heard?)
Edit to fix link 1, 2
[edit on 18-10-2008 by ballast]
[edit on 18-10-2008 by ballast]
reply posted on 18-10-2008 @ 02:05 PM by makeitso
Originally posted by ballast
Excellent contributions, the saga continues...
I ran accross something intriguing. The timing is spot on and may be the work of the 'good guys'.
Yes. Good catch. Most interesting stuff, although seemingly not related to this thread.
You could have gotten a better scoop by reading ATS though, I've been documenting this for more than a week here.
*pats self on back*
[edit on 10/18/08 by makeitso]
reply posted on 18-10-2008 @ 02:47 PM by ballast
reply to post by makeitso
Thanks for the heads up. The link to the washington post ad seems to have an expiration link. That's great if you posted it.
Sounds like our threads will make a nice addition to eachother.
Thanks for the heads up. The link to the washington post ad seems to have an expiration link. That's great if you posted it.
Sounds like our threads will make a nice addition to eachother.
reply posted on 18-10-2008 @ 03:03 PM by makeitso
Maybe the Mobile Washington Post link wont expire.
.
If it does, there is always google.
I'm not sure that shutting down the forums stopped any plans in progress. For the last few years they make plans... on child porn sites.
Think I'm kidding?
[edit on 10/18/08 by makeitso]
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If it does, there is always google.
I'm not sure that shutting down the forums stopped any plans in progress. For the last few years they make plans... on child porn sites.
Think I'm kidding?
[edit on 10/18/08 by makeitso]
reply posted on 19-10-2008 @ 04:15 PM by ballast
Thanks, makeitso. This link works, it is a briefer version.
This was a 3 page article with very good information. (Membership required, the things we do for ats!)
www.washingtonpost.com...
Some points to consider:
"On Sept. 29, a statement by the al-Fajr Media Center, a distribution network created by supporters of al-Qaeda and other Sunni extremist groups, said the forums had disappeared "for technical reasons," and it urged followers not to trust look-alike sites."
b-Lookalike sites require effort to build and post as replacements. This may indicate a more sophisticated group such as DOD. Plus, by posting a lookalike site this indicates a desire to aquire intelligence.
"A U.S. intelligence official, asked about the online attacks, declined to say whether U.S. spy agencies engage in them. American and British security forces each have joint commands overseeing online operations against extremists."
"Four of the five main online forums that al-Qaeda's media wing uses to distribute statements by Osama bin Laden and other extremists have been disabled since mid-September, monitors of the Web sites say."
b-To take four of the five main forums is a very successful attack, well coordinated.
"Rapid changes in domain-registration information and in servers suggested that the sites' webmasters were working intently to bring the forums back up, according to a statement from the SITE Intelligence Group, a leading private monitor of Web sites of extremist groups."
b-Al Qaeda had to work "intently" and even then they only got one back up. Hesbah, the site they did get up had few followers with the passwords.
"Johnsen said that on extremist "forums that are still up, you have people who are quite paranoid and quite confused" about what's going on. He said it is "certainly normal for jihadi chat rooms and forums . . . to have some kind of disruption. It was very clear this is something entirely different."
b-This was "something entirely different" from an attack perspective.
"Separately, Sunni and Shiite Internet partisans are waging a tit-for-tat hacking war."
"Targets included the official site of Grand Ayatollah Ali Sistani, the leading Shiite cleric in Iraq. For several days, visitors to that site were connected instead to a YouTube video featuring American talk-show host Bill Maher mocking what he said were the cleric's edicts, or fatwas, on sexual matters. Aides to Sistani later denied that he had issued such edicts."
"Alleged Shiite hackers responded in force. By Oct. 1, hundreds of sites run by Sunnis, including those of religious figures, had vanished. In their place appeared a site featuring an Iranian flag superimposed over the intense gaze of a smiling woman."
b-Hilarious! Are these guys hypocritically confused or what? Western decadence, indeed. To top it off, as makeitso mentioned, they are using child porn and forums to communicate.
b-When they've been raided they find more childrens porn than required. Apparently, they enjoy it. One of their great religous leader even published that for a man to pleasure himself sexually with an infant was permissable.
b-The timing, while an obvious Al Qaeda 9-11 anniversary video release date, would also meet the VM Deyanat and mystery cargo scenario.
"Al-Qaeda's Sept. 11 video eventually appeared on al-Hesbah, which means "one who holds others accountable," on Sept. 19. By then, the shine had been taken off the anniversary for al-Qaeda supporters."
b-Al Qaeda disappointed on their anniversary.
I wonder if a timeline of related and possibly related dates regarding the Deyanat, her sister ships and the 16 radioactive shipping containers may give some insight. It may be helpful to compare discrepancies. I suspect a growing disinformation dissemination campaign. In other news, the VM Deyanat made wikipedia:
en.wikipedia.org...
[edit on 19-10-2008 by ballast]
This was a 3 page article with very good information. (Membership required, the things we do for ats!)
www.washingtonpost.com...
Some points to consider:
"On Sept. 29, a statement by the al-Fajr Media Center, a distribution network created by supporters of al-Qaeda and other Sunni extremist groups, said the forums had disappeared "for technical reasons," and it urged followers not to trust look-alike sites."
b-Lookalike sites require effort to build and post as replacements. This may indicate a more sophisticated group such as DOD. Plus, by posting a lookalike site this indicates a desire to aquire intelligence.
"A U.S. intelligence official, asked about the online attacks, declined to say whether U.S. spy agencies engage in them. American and British security forces each have joint commands overseeing online operations against extremists."
"Four of the five main online forums that al-Qaeda's media wing uses to distribute statements by Osama bin Laden and other extremists have been disabled since mid-September, monitors of the Web sites say."
b-To take four of the five main forums is a very successful attack, well coordinated.
"Rapid changes in domain-registration information and in servers suggested that the sites' webmasters were working intently to bring the forums back up, according to a statement from the SITE Intelligence Group, a leading private monitor of Web sites of extremist groups."
b-Al Qaeda had to work "intently" and even then they only got one back up. Hesbah, the site they did get up had few followers with the passwords.
"Johnsen said that on extremist "forums that are still up, you have people who are quite paranoid and quite confused" about what's going on. He said it is "certainly normal for jihadi chat rooms and forums . . . to have some kind of disruption. It was very clear this is something entirely different."
b-This was "something entirely different" from an attack perspective.
"Separately, Sunni and Shiite Internet partisans are waging a tit-for-tat hacking war."
"Targets included the official site of Grand Ayatollah Ali Sistani, the leading Shiite cleric in Iraq. For several days, visitors to that site were connected instead to a YouTube video featuring American talk-show host Bill Maher mocking what he said were the cleric's edicts, or fatwas, on sexual matters. Aides to Sistani later denied that he had issued such edicts."
"Alleged Shiite hackers responded in force. By Oct. 1, hundreds of sites run by Sunnis, including those of religious figures, had vanished. In their place appeared a site featuring an Iranian flag superimposed over the intense gaze of a smiling woman."
b-Hilarious! Are these guys hypocritically confused or what? Western decadence, indeed. To top it off, as makeitso mentioned, they are using child porn and forums to communicate.
b-When they've been raided they find more childrens porn than required. Apparently, they enjoy it. One of their great religous leader even published that for a man to pleasure himself sexually with an infant was permissable.
b-The timing, while an obvious Al Qaeda 9-11 anniversary video release date, would also meet the VM Deyanat and mystery cargo scenario.
"Al-Qaeda's Sept. 11 video eventually appeared on al-Hesbah, which means "one who holds others accountable," on Sept. 19. By then, the shine had been taken off the anniversary for al-Qaeda supporters."
b-Al Qaeda disappointed on their anniversary.
I wonder if a timeline of related and possibly related dates regarding the Deyanat, her sister ships and the 16 radioactive shipping containers may give some insight. It may be helpful to compare discrepancies. I suspect a growing disinformation dissemination campaign. In other news, the VM Deyanat made wikipedia:
en.wikipedia.org...
[edit on 19-10-2008 by ballast]
reply posted on 19-10-2008 @ 04:24 PM by groingrinder
Originally posted by ballast
reply to post by jpm1602
My understanding is that the Iranian ship is at a dock in a sleepy little fishing village. The very last thing they should do is blow it out of the water. It's a bomb, a dirty nuclear bomb.
I don't know what they will end up doing, but they will have to get it out to sea, far away from anywhere. Disposing of radioactive sand requires proper handling and storage, I would think.
I'm not at all sure they could even scuttle and sink it. Anyone know about this?
I think they need to let the Somalis have it. Bury it the middle of their country since they want it so much.
reply posted on 22-10-2008 @ 04:35 PM by ballast
The latest TBR release:
Mostly redundant, but a few new "top secret" secrets.
"...An American-based website, www.longwarjournal.org... strongly pro-U.S. Department of Defense initially discussed this on September 22 but, like the DoD, has had nothing to say about it since,..."
"The ship was released by Somali pirates on October 10, after a $250,000 cash bribe was paid by the U.S. Navy for her release. The MV Iran Denyant was taken into immediate custody of a joint naval taskforce present, to include Russian and French ships. Crew members had all been interrogated and all of them, deemed “uninformed of the ship’s course or cargo” were duly released to their diplomatic representatives. The ship was boarded, occupied and thoroughly searched by U.S. Navy specialists but a subsequent report on the suspicious cargo containers has been heavily classified.(‘Top Secret- Galactic’)
Russian sources indicate that the ship was carrying a “highly radioactive” cargo in specially built” containers and that this cargo was falsely listed in the ship’s manifest. Also, there were many falsities in the manifest, to include a false listing of the cargo, “chemicals,” “rocks,” “oil,” or “iron ore” and other fictions, and the destination of it. A subsequent investigation into the alleged German firm to whom the ‘chemicals and ‘machine parts’ were to be delivered proved that there was no such German firm involved. At the request of American authorities, the Russians have refused to release any further information.
I have a correct copy of the ship's real manifest that a U.S. Navy source faxed me about two hours ago. There was no rocket fuel on board. Her cargo contained "a significant quantity" of radioactive waste from China, in lead-lined and secured cargo containers. The ship was never boarded by anyone from the time she left Nanjing in China until the Somali pirates grabbed her. Sixteen pirates died within two weeks, of heavy radiation poisoning, and three more are expected to die. An international force consisting of American, Russian, French and Dutch ships were involved in blockading the ship and preventing her from leaving Somalian waters.
A "ransom" of $250,000 was eventually paid by the U.S., the ship boarded by the Navy, her cargo secured and the crew interrogated and eventually released and the ship was moved, under her own power and with an American crew, to the Muscat port where the U.S. Navy has docking rights. Her manifest was entirely false. The ship was not going to Rotterdam and there was no “German businessman” to take charge of the fictional cargo.
The entire matter has been shut up and you will never see any mention of it in any mainstream media. The matter is now considered closed. There still remain a number of questions that need to be answered. Both Israel, and at her behest, from Washington, there has been a great outpouring of animosity directed at Tehran, and many threats; for economic sanctions by the United States and overt attacks by Israel. In light of this past behavior, the most important question is why this incident, with its horrifying implications, has been studiously ignored, even shut down, by both countries.
Perhaps the reason might lie in the fact that Bush is planning to announce his intention to open a ‘US Interest Section’ in Tehran just after the presidential elections on November 4th. This would follow a period of almost 30 years when diplomatic relations between the two countries were broken off. The movers behind this effort are U.S. Secretary of State, Condoleeza Rice and a number of high-level officials in the Department of State, the CIA and more recently by Secretary of Defense, Robert Gates, and the Joint Chiefs of Staff."
b-The article goes on to mention Bush/Israel/Geogia and how this relates to reaction or lack thereof about MV Deyanat. For those who might be interested.
MV Deyanat at port in Muscat? Yet another MV Deyanat location. According to other references she sailed home to Iran. Then we have an earlier statement by TBR that when the US did get the ship they would probably take her to a port in the pacific or where ever their island port is that is just military personnel. Did the Navy change their mind, why?
No mention here of the other two ships with 8 shipping containers each of radioactive waste and explosives.
Edit to add link to Article:
TBR
[edit on 22-10-2008 by ballast]
Mostly redundant, but a few new "top secret" secrets.
"...An American-based website, www.longwarjournal.org... strongly pro-U.S. Department of Defense initially discussed this on September 22 but, like the DoD, has had nothing to say about it since,..."
"The ship was released by Somali pirates on October 10, after a $250,000 cash bribe was paid by the U.S. Navy for her release. The MV Iran Denyant was taken into immediate custody of a joint naval taskforce present, to include Russian and French ships. Crew members had all been interrogated and all of them, deemed “uninformed of the ship’s course or cargo” were duly released to their diplomatic representatives. The ship was boarded, occupied and thoroughly searched by U.S. Navy specialists but a subsequent report on the suspicious cargo containers has been heavily classified.(‘Top Secret- Galactic’)
Russian sources indicate that the ship was carrying a “highly radioactive” cargo in specially built” containers and that this cargo was falsely listed in the ship’s manifest. Also, there were many falsities in the manifest, to include a false listing of the cargo, “chemicals,” “rocks,” “oil,” or “iron ore” and other fictions, and the destination of it. A subsequent investigation into the alleged German firm to whom the ‘chemicals and ‘machine parts’ were to be delivered proved that there was no such German firm involved. At the request of American authorities, the Russians have refused to release any further information.
I have a correct copy of the ship's real manifest that a U.S. Navy source faxed me about two hours ago. There was no rocket fuel on board. Her cargo contained "a significant quantity" of radioactive waste from China, in lead-lined and secured cargo containers. The ship was never boarded by anyone from the time she left Nanjing in China until the Somali pirates grabbed her. Sixteen pirates died within two weeks, of heavy radiation poisoning, and three more are expected to die. An international force consisting of American, Russian, French and Dutch ships were involved in blockading the ship and preventing her from leaving Somalian waters.
A "ransom" of $250,000 was eventually paid by the U.S., the ship boarded by the Navy, her cargo secured and the crew interrogated and eventually released and the ship was moved, under her own power and with an American crew, to the Muscat port where the U.S. Navy has docking rights. Her manifest was entirely false. The ship was not going to Rotterdam and there was no “German businessman” to take charge of the fictional cargo.
The entire matter has been shut up and you will never see any mention of it in any mainstream media. The matter is now considered closed. There still remain a number of questions that need to be answered. Both Israel, and at her behest, from Washington, there has been a great outpouring of animosity directed at Tehran, and many threats; for economic sanctions by the United States and overt attacks by Israel. In light of this past behavior, the most important question is why this incident, with its horrifying implications, has been studiously ignored, even shut down, by both countries.
Perhaps the reason might lie in the fact that Bush is planning to announce his intention to open a ‘US Interest Section’ in Tehran just after the presidential elections on November 4th. This would follow a period of almost 30 years when diplomatic relations between the two countries were broken off. The movers behind this effort are U.S. Secretary of State, Condoleeza Rice and a number of high-level officials in the Department of State, the CIA and more recently by Secretary of Defense, Robert Gates, and the Joint Chiefs of Staff."
b-The article goes on to mention Bush/Israel/Geogia and how this relates to reaction or lack thereof about MV Deyanat. For those who might be interested.
MV Deyanat at port in Muscat? Yet another MV Deyanat location. According to other references she sailed home to Iran. Then we have an earlier statement by TBR that when the US did get the ship they would probably take her to a port in the pacific or where ever their island port is that is just military personnel. Did the Navy change their mind, why?
No mention here of the other two ships with 8 shipping containers each of radioactive waste and explosives.
Edit to add link to Article:
TBR
[edit on 22-10-2008 by ballast]
reply posted on 22-10-2008 @ 05:02 PM by ballast
To find anything related to the two other ships and their dirty bomb cargo will certainly be a challenge. There may be clues out there.
Here is an article that may or may not be related. These statements, taken together certainly seem a warning of some kind from world leaders:
"Australian PM Kevin Rudd - “Nuke strike would make 9/11 insignificant” and other weird warnings"
"Over the last 72 hours there has been a strange melange of cryptic messages leaked from world political leaders about what could be in store for America over the next few months.
These predictions of impending doom come from England, France, Australia and the United States.
Biden told the top Democratic donors that a “generated crisis” will develop within six months and Barak Obama will need the help of community leaders to control the population as unpopular decisions are made and Americans resist.
Biden speaking at the fundraiser, “I can give you at least four or five scenarios from where it might originate, And he’s gonna need help. And the kind of help he’s gonna need is, he’s gonna need you - not financially to help him - we’re gonna need you to use your influence, your influence within the community, to stand with him. Because it’s not gonna be apparent initially, it’s not gonna be apparent that we’re right.”
Biden’s ominous language at the Seattle Sheraton are followed with statements by long time establishment insiders Colin Powell and Madeline Albright both say there is a massive crisis on the horizon and Biden was simply making a “statement in fact.”
“The problems will always be there and there’s going to be a crisis which will come along on the 21st, 22nd of January that we don’t even know about right now.” Powell told Meet the Press.
Lord West, adviser to Prime Minister Gordon Brown on national security says, “There is another great plot building up again and we are monitoring. It dipped slightly and is now rising again within the context of severe. The threat is huge. We have done all the things that we need to do, but the threat is building - the complex plots are building,”
Across the channel from England you have the French Foreign Minister Bernard Kouchner warning the press that he believes Israel will strike Iran before they can develope nuclear weapons completley ignoring the fact that the chief of the International Atomic Energy Agency, Mohammed ElBradei, said that Iran lacks the key components to produce an atomic weapon.
“The devastation that could be wreaked by one major nuclear weapons incident alone puts 9/11 and almost everything else [in] to the category of the insignificant,” Rudd said.
Why are there so many high level politicians around the world in a seemingly coordinated effort warning of huge threats and developing crisis’ that may include a nuclear device? Are they preparing the masses for an event or series of events that have been in the making for some time? Is the public being prepared for new and forming enemies with a potential to plunge the entire world into war?"
----end quote---
A number of notable public figures, to be sure; Biden, Rudd, Colin Powell, Matelaine Albright, Lord West and French Foreign Minister Bernard Kouchner.
Taken alone there are plenty of ready explanations, but within 72?
www.dailynewscaster.com...
Here is an article that may or may not be related. These statements, taken together certainly seem a warning of some kind from world leaders:
"Australian PM Kevin Rudd - “Nuke strike would make 9/11 insignificant” and other weird warnings"
"Over the last 72 hours there has been a strange melange of cryptic messages leaked from world political leaders about what could be in store for America over the next few months.
These predictions of impending doom come from England, France, Australia and the United States.
Biden told the top Democratic donors that a “generated crisis” will develop within six months and Barak Obama will need the help of community leaders to control the population as unpopular decisions are made and Americans resist.
Biden speaking at the fundraiser, “I can give you at least four or five scenarios from where it might originate, And he’s gonna need help. And the kind of help he’s gonna need is, he’s gonna need you - not financially to help him - we’re gonna need you to use your influence, your influence within the community, to stand with him. Because it’s not gonna be apparent initially, it’s not gonna be apparent that we’re right.”
Biden’s ominous language at the Seattle Sheraton are followed with statements by long time establishment insiders Colin Powell and Madeline Albright both say there is a massive crisis on the horizon and Biden was simply making a “statement in fact.”
“The problems will always be there and there’s going to be a crisis which will come along on the 21st, 22nd of January that we don’t even know about right now.” Powell told Meet the Press.
Lord West, adviser to Prime Minister Gordon Brown on national security says, “There is another great plot building up again and we are monitoring. It dipped slightly and is now rising again within the context of severe. The threat is huge. We have done all the things that we need to do, but the threat is building - the complex plots are building,”
Across the channel from England you have the French Foreign Minister Bernard Kouchner warning the press that he believes Israel will strike Iran before they can develope nuclear weapons completley ignoring the fact that the chief of the International Atomic Energy Agency, Mohammed ElBradei, said that Iran lacks the key components to produce an atomic weapon.
“The devastation that could be wreaked by one major nuclear weapons incident alone puts 9/11 and almost everything else [in] to the category of the insignificant,” Rudd said.
Why are there so many high level politicians around the world in a seemingly coordinated effort warning of huge threats and developing crisis’ that may include a nuclear device? Are they preparing the masses for an event or series of events that have been in the making for some time? Is the public being prepared for new and forming enemies with a potential to plunge the entire world into war?"
----end quote---
A number of notable public figures, to be sure; Biden, Rudd, Colin Powell, Matelaine Albright, Lord West and French Foreign Minister Bernard Kouchner.
Taken alone there are plenty of ready explanations, but within 72?
www.dailynewscaster.com...
reply posted on 22-10-2008 @ 05:48 PM by makeitso
Originally posted by ballast
To find anything related to the two other ships and their dirty bomb cargo will certainly be a challenge. There may be clues out there.
Maybe this is a small hint.
Not sure if the count is correct but there seems to be a lot of international warships in the area.
... as you start adding up the ships, one can start to count up between 20 and 30 naval ships pretty fast. France has 6 ships, SNMG2 is 7, the Danes and the Dutch each have a ship, and the Royal Navy has at least two warships that could be there. The US Navy has one Carrier Strike Group and one Expeditionary Strike Group in the area, and don't forget the Russians are coming. India has at least 1 ship there with at least 1 more ship coming, potentially six more. The USS Barry (DDG 52) could be sent down once the USS Leyte Gulf (CG 55) arrives in the Med. This is before adding in South Korea with two nearby, or Malaysia with three there very recently, and don't forget Singapore has a LST in the Persian Gulf.
When you do the math, this is slowly developing into the most significant international naval operation since the 2004 tsunami.
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