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reply posted on 6-10-2008 @ 09:26 AM by spines

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They were even more of a democracy until we (and Britian) decided that them nationalizing thieir oil fields was against our own interests and you know...good for their own people.

And so too Ecuador...

And so too Panama...

And so too, almost, Venezuela...

That's just off the top of my head. Keep all these in mind when you hear anything coming from the mouths of our (US) country, and from our allies who would and have partaken in such operations.

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reply posted on 6-10-2008 @ 01:59 PM by Manawydan

This whole pirates captured ships story is a bit off. I cant put my finger on it but something isn't right.

From my experience, this is getting very little coverage in the EU, but it could just be the sites I visit. What I can't wrap my mind around is that Iran would try to plant a huge dirty bomb at basically the same time their president appears in front of the UN. I'm more and more starting to think that this whole pirate ship situation is a fabrication at least by some extent. You know, a "wag the dog" kind of a thing.

Kind regards.

reply posted on 6-10-2008 @ 03:25 PM by ufoorbhunter

reply to post by spines

Iran a democracy? Lol you are trying to be funny? Iran is the main pillar within The Axis of Evil.

reply posted on 6-10-2008 @ 03:34 PM by ladysadie

Recall several years ago "Osama's Navy"? How OBL supposedly obtained nukes from Pakistan's Khan, and with the help of the Chinese and rogue Russkie scientists- had developed a nuclear navy? Also recall Iran's claim to be able to take out the 22- i think it was- most sensitive sites in the/to US...hmmm

reply posted on 6-10-2008 @ 04:02 PM by isa75

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I thank you so much for your post and putting the real truth out there for us. I hope you stay safe. Thank you for defending our country. Star For You on your response.

reply posted on 6-10-2008 @ 06:01 PM by poet1b

reply to post by friendforafoe

Yeah, this place is a hoot. Nice to hang out, and often you get a much better informed class of people here. I always find this stuff fun to speculate on. Take care of yourself over there, one never knows, even where you are, how safe it is.

You should be willing to admit, with our militaries need to know classification of secrets, this ship might be some giant dirty bomb, and you are in a high enough level to hear aboout it. If seems that if this really is the case, that it would be kept very much under wraps, and operations would be as secret as possible.

reply posted on 6-10-2008 @ 06:25 PM by Desert Dawg

Originally posted by Harlequin
reply to post by Desert Dawg

why would they want someone elses `stuff` - it was sailing no where near iran - china netherlands was the route.

There's a possibility that Iran would direct the cargo to another area where it could create many problems.

I note that Ahmadinijad - who seems to be a publicity junky - has been somewhat quiet lately.
Leads me to believe he's up to something.

Dropping an Iranian ship off in an Iranian port would create some interesting reactions from Iran's leaders, would it not?

reply posted on 6-10-2008 @ 06:26 PM by poet1b

reply to post by spines

While Mohammed Musaddiq was democratically elected, like all of these third world democratically elected socialists, he went about consolidating power, and most likely would have developed the typical socialistic dictatorship, that Cahavez is currently creating in Venezula. They do a good job of stirring up nationalistic pride, and then create oppresive governments that are worse than the capitalistic system that had been in place, as far as the average person is concerned.

The British and the U.S. developed the oil fields in Iran at considerable investment, it is quite understandable that they weren't going to just walk away from their investment, and let some socalist, spreading nationalistic hatred to further his own interests, take it all over.

While the involvement of the west in the Middle East certainly is questionable, the story is not nearly as lopsided as the liberal elites want to paint it out to be.

While I don't trust the neocons who run the GW regime, I trust the people running Iran even less. There seems to be some fairly strong evidence that there is something very wrong with the cargo of this Iranian ship. I don't buy the argument that this ship is giant dirty bomb, but I could see it shipping this stuff into the area for a better planned assualt against Israel, that would probably come much later.

reply posted on 6-10-2008 @ 08:00 PM by Saf85

Man this article is dog # on a stick!

Yes the ship contains radioactive material, it is not a floating dirty bomb like it is claimed, the shipment is more than likely intended for Irans Enrichment program! Why else would China sell them the stuff if it was intended for a dirty bomb? Do you think China wants to have the blood of millions on its hands and put in the crosshairs for retaliation? Hell no.

Iran probly falsified the intended destination and cargo etc, so it could offload the radioactive shipment in Iran while refuling the ship etc, then load the cover cargo in Iran, ship it to the Netherlands, no one would have been the wiser, but those pirates put a big ass spanner in the works! Ugly dicks, they deserve to die haha.

The Jew media has seized upon this story to twist it to their desires. The story they are making out, is only going to result in a blockade of Iran by the US, this will result in an act of war and Israel will get the US drawn into its dirty plan just like it intends to do!

reply posted on 6-10-2008 @ 09:28 PM by NOTurTypical

Originally posted by Britguy
Now then, what's missing here?........ Oh Yes!, that's it, a complete lack of any evidence other than innuendo, rumour and completely unsubstantiated reports from anonymous sources. Must be true then!

Actually, what is "missing", is your reading comprehension ability. From the Fox article:

"Chemical experts say the reports sound inconsistent with chemical poisoning, but may reflect the effects of exposure to radiation.

"It's baffling," said Jonathan Tucker, a senior fellow at the James Martin Center for Nonproliferation Studies. "I'm not aware of any chemical agent that produces loss of hair within a few days. That's more suggestive of high levels of radioactive waste."

Tucker, a chemical and biological weapons expert,...."

And you then claim:

'completely unsubstantiated rumors by anonymous sources...'????

What's worse, is people condoned your failed attempt at denying ignorance by giving you stars for that absurd tripe you posted.

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reply posted on 6-10-2008 @ 09:33 PM by poet1b

reply to post by Saf85

Umm, if it was gong to Iran from China, what is it doing off the coast of Somalia? It's only a thousand miles out of the way, in pirate infested waters. Talk about dog $#!^ on a stick.

reply posted on 6-10-2008 @ 09:50 PM by Kailassa

reply to post by NOTurTypical
And how does a discussion on Fox about possible causes of symptoms prove that the story you believe is correct?

Sorry, a theoretical analysis of supposed symptoms is not proof anyone in particular has those symptoms.

BTW, you might like to remember the lies repeated when the administration wanted us to be convinced Iraq needed to be invaded.
Right now Bush and Cheney want to establish an excuse to start bombing Iran. Don't help them commit another genocide.

reply posted on 6-10-2008 @ 10:09 PM by Saf85

reply to post by poet1b

It is a possibility, Iran planned to switch the cargo at another port, along the original route of the ship, another ship which was destined for Iran could have been the transfere ship, carrying the cargo destined for the Netherlands.

That way the original ship, would have never came near Iran, would have reached the Netherlands with its intended cargo, the radioactive material reaching Iran as planned and never arousing any suspicion on its journey.

Anyway I was just saying, it sounds too much of a coincidence, this happens, then moments later, Israel is calling for Iran to be blockaded.

Does that not seem too convenient for Israeli war plans?

reply posted on 6-10-2008 @ 10:19 PM by Kailassa

accidental post

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reply posted on 6-10-2008 @ 10:21 PM by solomons path

Originally posted by Saf85
Man this article is dog # on a stick!

Yes the ship contains radioactive material, it is not a floating dirty bomb like it is claimed, the shipment is more than likely intended for Irans Enrichment program! Why else would China sell them the stuff if it was intended for a dirty bomb? Do you think China wants to have the blood of millions on its hands and put in the crosshairs for retaliation? Hell no.

Iran probly falsified the intended destination and cargo etc, so it could offload the radioactive shipment in Iran while refuling the ship etc, then load the cover cargo in Iran, ship it to the Netherlands, no one would have been the wiser, but those pirates put a big ass spanner in the works! Ugly dicks, they deserve to die haha.

The Jew media has seized upon this story to twist it to their desires. The story they are making out, is only going to result in a blockade of Iran by the US, this will result in an act of war and Israel will get the US drawn into its dirty plan just like it intends to do!

PLEASE . . . show some sources of this "Jew" media! I have already posted in this thread that is was fasle info, due to the fact that NO Israeli news agency even ran this story!!! Not Haaretz, Jeruselum Post . . . nobody.

Fox News is owned by a German National . . . the U.S. may be using this, as they do the Jewish State, for their gain. However, there is no "Jew" anything running with this. Please don't denagrate the Jewish people by lumping them in with the treasonous U.S. government! Don't fall for the propaganda . . . Isreal would love for the U.S. to stop meddling over there as much as the Iranians do!

Ignorance on your part . . .

reply posted on 6-10-2008 @ 10:38 PM by Saf85

Originally posted by solomons path
PLEASE . . . show some sources of this "Jew" media! I have already posted in this thread that is was fasle info, due to the fact that NO Israeli news agency even ran this story!!! Not Haaretz, Jeruselum Post . . . nobody.

Fox News is owned by a German National . . . the U.S. may be using this, as they do the Jewish State, for their gain. However, there is no "Jew" anything running with this. Please don't denagrate the Jewish people by lumping them in with the treasonous U.S. government! Don't fall for the propaganda . . . Isreal would love for the U.S. to stop meddling over there as much as the Iranians do!

Ignorance on your part . . .

Umm hello is your head maybe stuck up your arse? The NWO owns all the western media, just beacuse nothing came out of Israel, does not mean it was not planned by them. Since they essentially run the US through there think tanks and pressure groups etc. Claiming the Israelis are innocent is just another attempt to divert attention away from the true enemy, Zionist Jews and the NWO.

reply posted on 6-10-2008 @ 10:56 PM by solomons path

Are you wearing a tinfoil hat right now? I can't see . . . cuz my head's up my "arse".

While the financial element was responsible for the creation of the Jewish state . . . it was to gain foothold and position in the Middle East . . . Not some Zionist agenda.

You are right about the NWO, IMO, but have fallen for the disinfo on Israel. Think it's a Jew conspiracy all you want . . . you'll be too busy looking the other way when the U.S. and U.K. throw you in a FEMA camp. Seems your bigotry got the best of you . . . and that's just what they want. It's not about Religion or Nationality . . . that's just a wedge against coehesive human action. Wake up brother . . . the NWO is driven by profits and scarcity. They want everything you have and to turn you into a slave laborer . . . when that day arrives, let me know how that Jewish Conspiracy is workin' out!

I'm going back into my "arse" now . . . ok mate!

Cheers!

reply posted on 6-10-2008 @ 11:22 PM by NOTurTypical

Originally posted by Kailassa
reply to post by NOTurTypical
And how does a discussion on Fox about possible causes of symptoms prove that the story you believe is correct?

Did I claim the story was correct? Nice straw man argument dude. I never claimed the Fox link proved the story true. However, the Fox link proved this quote absolutely ignorant at best, or a downright lie at worst:

"Now then, what's missing here?........ Oh Yes!, that's it, a complete lack of any evidence other than innuendo, rumour and completely unsubstantiated reports from anonymous sources."

Secondly, it's not a Fox News STORY, nor is it commentary from a Fox News employee. It's an AP article.

Sorry, a theoretical analysis of supposed symptoms is not proof anyone in particular has those symptoms.

Dead bodies always tell a story. Watch "Forensic Files" sometime.

BTW, you might like to remember the lies repeated when the administration wanted us to be convinced Iraq needed to be invaded.

Oh yeah, I remember, it was a CIA-French Intel-MI6-Mossad-Russian-Saudi-Japanese lie that said Saddam had WMD,

Not to mention Clinton, Gore, Madlin Albright all said Saddam had WMD.

Secondly, Bush didn't need to go to the UN or congress to force Saddam to disarm, the first Gulf War in 1991 was ended by a cease-fire agreement, not a peace treaty. Military operations could have been resumed at the first breach of the cease-fire agreement. I'm not saying Bush is a good, honest man, but I'm not ignorant enough of the international rules of war to think for a second that the resumption of the war wasn't justified under international law.

Right now Bush and Cheney want to establish an excuse to start bombing Iran. Don't help them commit another genocide.

Aww, how cute... are we REALLY gonna focus on the puppets themselves and not those pulling the strings????

Bush and Cheney don't run this nation. The bankers do. Wake up.

reply posted on 6-10-2008 @ 11:24 PM by NOTurTypical

reply to post by solomons path

Fox News is owned by a German National . . . the U.S. may be using this, as they do the Jewish State, for their gain. However, there is no "Jew" anything running with this. Please don't denagrate the Jewish people by lumping them in with the treasonous U.S. government! Don't fall for the propaganda . . . Isreal would love for the U.S. to stop meddling over there as much as the Iranians do!

Ignorance on your part . . .

The ignorance is yours. It's an AP article.

Fox News doesn't = Associated Press

reply posted on 6-10-2008 @ 11:54 PM by solomons path

I wasn't commenting on who originated the story, just commenting that they ran it . . . as did the bbc, et al.

I'm not indicting Fox or any news agency . . . just saying it wasn't some Jewish Conspiracy to pull the U.S. into some action in Iran. I think it was made pretty clear Andrew Mwangura is where the story came from and, as such, was discredited.

EDIT - spelling

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