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reply posted on 5-10-2008 @ 03:53 PM by makeitso
reply to post by friendforafoe


Thank you for your reply.

Originally posted by friendforafoe
Actually it WAS Andrew Mwangura that stated it originally.

He actually told local SOM press on the 08 SEP [..] it's from the Tehran Times haha). Here's the link: www.tehrantimes.com...


Ha ha, Tehran Times, (spits sideways).

Actually though, as reported on Sept. 4th, Hassan Allore Osman investigated. His report of pirate death and illness was confirmed by The Long War Journal.

authorities dispatched a delegation led by Minister of Minerals and Oil Hassan Allore Osman to investigate the situation on September 4. Osman also confirmed to The Long War Journal that during the six days he negotiated with the pirates members of the syndicate had become sick and died. "That ship is unusual," he said. "It is not carrying a normal shipment."


That is prior to the news reports that quote Andrew. Maybe this is where Andrew got his info?

he claimed the weapons on FAINA were headed for Sudan, which Ukraine and Sudan (not surprisingly) denied according to one source, BUT that's actually a crime under Kenya's criminal procedure code (and has been long before his arrest) so he went to jail for that


Its only a crime it its untrue, right? According to one report the pirates have recovered confidential documents from the FAINA that validate his allegations.

Shortly afterword a report by a U.S. Navy Spokesman was released that also confirms his reports.

My guess will be that if he is in contact with the pirates, these documents will be presented on the record in court to secure his release. Of course that can't be allowed, so some negotiations will probably find him suddenly freely released, but jobless. The court date is Oct. 7th.

I stand corrected about the 14 ships, thanks!


[edit on 10/5/08 by makeitso]



reply posted on 5-10-2008 @ 04:01 PM by ballast
Here are some Tehran Times article on the sanctions:

www.tehrantimes.com...

www.tehrantimes.com...

www.tehrantimes.com...

Here's a reference to what sounds like the VM Deyanet:

"Armed pirates on Thursday hijacked an Iranian bulk carrier with 29 crew and a Japanese-operated chemical tanker with 19 crew within an hour in the Gulf of Aden in an unprecedented spate of attacks, Noel Choong, head of the Kuala Lumpur-based International Maritime Bureau's (IMB) Piracy Reporting Centre had earlier said.

""We are trying to use diplomatic means to release sailors of the hijacked Iranian ship which was carrying 40,000 tons of iron ore from China to the Netherlands,"" Managing Director of the Islamic Republic of Iran Shipping Lines (IRISL) Mohammad-Hossein Dajmar said Saturday."

They state that the ship was going to deliver iron ore to Netherlands, while others report they just got done dropping iron ore of at China.





reply posted on 5-10-2008 @ 04:22 PM by makeitso
Isn't it interesting how the cargo is described by various reports? They don't actually conflict, but they are all vauge and different.

RussiaToday.com
October 4, 2008

“Our vessel was not travelling from Iran but was going from China to the Netherlands. It was carrying rocks, cement and metals and not chemicals as reported by our foes,” said Mahmud Akhmadi from the Parliamentarian Committee on Security and Foreign Relations of Iran.



reply posted on 5-10-2008 @ 05:03 PM by ballast
Here is an article on a dirty bomb using powdered plutonium, which is dangerous if inhaled or swallowed, but not as radioactive otherwise. Definetely worth reading.

www.nci.org...

Plutonium is not easy to detect during transportation and is virtually harmless if not ingested. But even minute amounts of plutonium powder are totally deadly when inhaled or swallowed.

Russia is building a 1,000-megawatt nuclear reactor in Iran that will produce non-weapons-grade plutonium. But it will produce unlimited quantities of radioactive waste, plutonium good for dirty bombs and other dangerous radioactive compounds -- sufficient to load onto ballistic missiles targeted at Israel instead of the nukes that Iran does not have; or maybe provide terrorists with radioactive powder to add to suicide bombs instead of nails.In a year or two the Iranian reactor will be operational, and the United States seems ready to prevent this at all costs.

The article is from June 2002.


reply posted on 5-10-2008 @ 05:07 PM by ballast
reply to post by makeitso


Great find! Seems all of our digging is rooting out an abundance of contradictions. Seems like there is more talk than was originally supposed.

I can't help but notice that the Iranians keep changing their story. The crew has changed their story on the cargo several times. Does n't look good when officials, crew or shipping line are saying completely different things.

[edit on 5-10-2008 by ballast]


reply posted on 5-10-2008 @ 05:29 PM by solomons path
reply to post by ballast


I'm sure the Iranians have heard the rumors on the cargo . . . I wonder if they are smart enough to use conflicting/vague language as a tool? If they know the world is slightly afraid of what they are up to . . . they could be vague, in order to keep the world on their toes? Gives them more power when at the table . . . or at least keeps the power they now wield over some nation's psyche's.



reply posted on 5-10-2008 @ 08:13 PM by ballast
www.foxnews.com...

Another article on Somali pirates and the ukranian ship-with pictures. Somalia is without civilization, government, food and in many cases water. The pirates are standing their ground-can't fault their bravery or commitment. I admire the fact that they don't kill their hostages, a powerful and disaplined move. Amazing they are holding together with those giant intimdating warships surrounding them.

It's like I imagine the prehistoric man (we) must have done facing down a behemoth. Epic!

Note: Reference to previous post regarding "plutonium powder". One of the things that has had me puzzled, is how the original crew on the Iranian ship managed to spend so much time on the ship. If the load was toxic, why didn't they die, too? If it had to be inhaled or swallowed that answers the question. The pirates must have opened the bags, I'll bet they suspected drugs. Maybe they even tasted it?

[edit on 5-10-2008 by ballast]



reply posted on 5-10-2008 @ 08:23 PM by ballast
reply to post by Desert Dawg


Well, hello "Desert Dawg!" I'm out in the high desert of Nv. myself. Nice piece of tourquise! Wish I had a mine. Lord knows I've looked hard enough.


reply posted on 5-10-2008 @ 08:33 PM by ballast
reply to post by spines


Let's not throw "rage" anywhere. Let's instead state that even "if" the "alleged" cargo turns out to be what it appears to be, that we do something original-LIKE NOT CREATE MORE WAR!

Let's sit down internationally, investigate and prosecute or ?????


reply posted on 5-10-2008 @ 08:34 PM by Skelkie3
reply to post by ballast


You state that the US has to respect the flags of others' ships.

Well, only the big boys are immune from the US Navy... maybe they stand down under Russian and or Chinese pressure.

Ever since the great Reagan and the war on drugs- God only knows how many acts of piracy have been commited by our own guys ( that is, messing with and boarding destroying confiscating stealing vessels on the high seas- international waters- with whom you are NOT at war ) ?

I'm only pointing out that restraint is not the forte of these commands...

This whole thing is balderdash... everything is created or at least spun- on the MSM, IMO.

However, the thought of pirates mistaking a load of pulverised plutonium for drugs ( and ' tasting it ' ) is hilarious.

I hope it doesn't occur to these enemies 'o ours to ship the stuff through Columbia ! We could lose most of the DEA, all drug lawyers, and half the coast gaurd in a matter of days...


reply posted on 6-10-2008 @ 01:20 AM by Harlequin
reply to post by Desert Dawg


why would they want someone elses `stuff` - it was sailing no where near iran - china netherlands was the route.
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