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Firstly how do you know what god looks like? And secondly what are we if not animals? How do humans differ from other animals (not meaning human traits but physiologically etc)? Do we not eat, drink, sleep, excrete, reproduce etc? Do we not have legs, feet, hands, head, eyes etc?
Originally posted by Old Man
That's what angers me......people are so willing to let teachers at school teach their own children that they are no more than animals.
Well.......my children are not animals. They are made in the image of God. That is what I believe, and I am entitled to believe it.....
How do OT? Thanks for the link to your topic. Lets see if I can't get up to some mischief.
Originally posted by OldThinker
This is the one claim that the Bible made about man's creation that can be scientifically verified and later confirmed. The verse…”So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them.” Genesis 1:27
wasn't the beginning of Genesis stolen from the Enuma Elish (Babylonian creation epic) which probably came from the sumerians - like the flood myths etc?
It was not always known that time had a beginning. Many cultures believed that the universe existed in cycles or was eternal. Yet, the very first verse of the Bible states, in simple terms, that both the universe and time did have a beginning. This is a fact that science has since verified with the concept of the Big Bang. Whether this belief originated or was unique to the Hebrews is not as important as the fact that it was the correct belief. For once again, the Bible and science are in perfect harmony. The verse…”In the Beginning God created the heavens and the earth.” Genesis 1:1
Well that would depend on how you interpret the verses in Job, it could easily mean that the earth is suspended from nothing. Or if you interpret the Hebrew 'al' which has meanings such as 'upon', 'on', 'over' and 'above' then the earth could be suspended over nothing. I see nothing in this verse that could be interpreted as the earth being totally encompassed by nothing - which would have been easier for Job
There are other concepts…such as…What Holds the up the Earth? - 3000 years ago the Hindus recorded the earth was resting on the backs of several huge elephants. The elephants were resting on the back of a very large turtle that was swimming in a sea. Greek mythology claims that the god Atlas was holding the earth on his shoulders. The Bible says in Job 26:7 — "[God] hangeth the earth on nothing." What a remarkable statement of fact. The earth is suspended in space. Nothing is holding it up. Job wrote about the same time the Hindu Scripture was written. How did Job know this scientific fact?
Again interpretation is paramount, these verses are vague in their meaning. Also there is no evidence that Job was written 3000 BP with most scholars reckoning about 2400 - 2500 BP for the version we have today. This puts it in the timescale of Pythagoras et al who were certain of the Earths sphericity.
Again- Flat Versus Round Earth - For thousands of years people believed the earth was flat. If one went too far, he would fall over the edge. This was taught in both Hindu and Buddhist scripture. In the 1500s, the first ship sailed around the world. This proved the earth was round. But the round earth was recorded in the Judeo-Christian Bible long before man discovered it in the 1500s. The prophet Isaiah (40:22) spoke of the "circle of the earth." Solomon wrote, "God set a compass [circle] upon the face of the deep." Proverbs 8:27. In our century, Arabs spoke of infidels being pushed over the edge into space. About 3,000 years ago, our Bible said the earth was round. This was not discovered until 500 years ago.
Yes, the ones practicing it there where Puritan
1. Second person singular and plural and first and third person plural past indicative of be.
2. Past subjunctive of be. See Usage Notes at if, wish.
\ˈhwer, ˈwer, (ˌ)(h)wər\
Middle English, from Old English hwǣr; akin to Old High German hwār where, Old English hwā who — more at who
before 12th century
1 a: at, in, or to what place b: at, in, or to what situation, position, direction, circumstances, or respect 2archaic : here , there
The Bible, too, also talks about rain, lightning and storms. But it contains none of these superstitious ideas found in the other fairy-tales
When we turn to Babylon itself, we find there also substantially the same account. In Berosus, the deluge is represented as coming after the time of Alorus, or the "god of fire," that is, Nimrod, which shows that there, too, this deluge was symbolical. Now, out of this deluge emerged Dagon, the fish-god, or god of the sea. The origin of the worship of Dagon, as shown by Berosus, was founded upon a legend, that, at a remote period of the past, when men were sunk in barbarism, there came up a BEAST CALLED OANNES FROM THE RED SEA, or Persian Gulf--half-man, half-fish--that civilised the Babylonians, taught them arts and sciences, and instructed them in politics and religion. The worship of Dagon was introduced by the very parties--Nimrod, of course, excepted--who had previously seduced the world into the worship of fire. In the secret Mysteries that were then set up, while in the first instance, no doubt, professing the greatest antipathy to the prescribed worship of fire, they sought to regain their influence and power by scenic representations of the awful scenes of the Flood, in which Noah was introduced under the name of Dagon, or the Fish-god--scenes in which the whole family of man, both from the nature of the event and their common connection with the second father of the human race, could not fail to feel a deep interest. The concocters of these Mysteries saw that if they could only bring men back again to idolatry in any shape, they could soon work that idolatry so as substantially to re-establish the very system that had been put down. Thus it was, that, as soon as the way was prepared for it, Tammuz was introduced as one who had allowed himself to be slain for the good of mankind. A distinction was made between good serpents and bad serpents, one kind being represented as the serpent of Agathodaemon, or the good divinity, another as the serpent of Cacodaemon, or the evil one. *
Adding these figures together, we arrive at 4098 years ago. Given all of the ambiguities (not just the major ambiguities like when Abraham lived but minor ones as well, like did Arphaxad have Shelah on his 30th birthday or was it mid way through his 30th year, etc.) the flood could have happened as long as 5000 years ago. Archbishop Ussher’s famous chronology fixes the year of Noah’s flood around 2348 BC (4354 years ago).
Gilgamesh was an historical king of Uruk in Babylonia, on the River Euphrates in modern Iraq; he lived about 2700 B.C. Although historians (and your textbook) tend to emphasize Hammurabi and his code of law, the civilizations of the Tigris-Euphrates area, among the first civilizations, focus rather on Gilgamesh and the legends accruing around him to explain, as it were, themselves. Many stories and myths were written about Gilgamesh, some of which were written down about 2000 B.C.
Originally posted by Clearskies
The epic of Gilgamesh is SUPPOSEDLY the OLDEST written ANYTHING. Ever!