Originally posted by _Phoenix_

I'm sorry but it's human nature, London for example is already a multi cultral society and has been for many years, and it's impossible to stop that. Myself I love London just for this very fact. The different people and no seperation.

Wether you agree or disagee with this, it can't really change this fact sorry. We can only change the future. But for those non white people who are BORN here they have been here just as long as you white people have. It belongs to them just as much, because this country is all they know.

What else can I say, it's just the way it is.



And that Morocco comment, well Morocco "has" been through many different culture changes, so has most countries.

If you don't mind let me tell you, Morocco has very interesting history.

The Berbers.
Berber Morocco
Morocco has been inhabited since Neolithic times at least since 8000 BC by people known as the Amazigh people, referred to as Berbers

At the time of the roman empire, the romans used Morocco as a strategic region
when the romans left in the 5th Century the region got took over by the
the Vandals, Visigoths, and then Byzantine Greeks rather quickly.
Many of the berbers lived in the mountains, and were not effected much by all this.

Now In the seventh century, the berbers still lived in Morocco, but this is when the arabs came to Morocco and lived there, when they came they influenced the berbers, and they bought their customs and culture with them. This created a new culture, a mix of the old culture and the new.
Now it became a country mixed with berber and arab.

From the 8th Century to the 11th and on there were a few civil wars and influences from such power as the Idrisid Dynasty(arab settlers) who established Fes as capital of Morocco. After a while the arab settlers lost political control, and the berber dynasty gained control of power and goverment over the country and it continiued, but this was the beginning, eventually The Almoravids(Berber 11th century), the Almohads(Berber 12 century), then the Marinid( Ifriqiya 15th century) and finally the Saadi dynasties(Arab 15-16th century) all took control of Morocco or parts of morocco and influenced the culture etc.

After the Saadi Dynasties, the Arab Alaouite Dynasty eventually gained control. At the time Morocco was facing aggression from Spain and The Ottoman Empire(turkish). But the Alaouites Dynasty succeded in keeping their position and controll and they remained quite wealthy. In 1684, they took the city Tangier, which by the way was taken control by the portuguese before that and later was given to Charles II of England. When the english were forced out. The English decided to destroy the town and its port facilities prior to their departure in 1684.

There were other spanish influences, african, black Moroccans and others etc but I'll just carry on.
Also I'll just add that Morocco was home to more Jews than any other Muslim country in the world. The Jewish community of Morocco, which dates back more than 2,000 years, has experienced various waves of both tolerance and discrimination.

Now on to the barbary Pirates! From the time of the Crusades until the early 19th century in north Africa. There were powerful and dangerous pirates!

They captured around over 1 Million europeans from england, spain, italy, france etc etc and made them into slaves.

These attacks when capturing the europeans caused France, England, and Spain to each lose thousands of ships, and long stretches of coast in Spain and Italy were almost completely abandoned by the people. Pirate raids stop people wanting to settle along the coast until the 19th century.

From 1609 to 1616, England lost 466 merchant ships to Barbary pirates. In the 19th century, Latterly American ships were attacked. The babrbary pirates also made ships pay licence tax for safe travel. One American slave reported that the Algerians had enslaved 130 American seamen in the Mediterranean and Atlantic from 1785 to 1793.
For more info.
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In 1777 Morocco was actually the "first" nation to recognize the fledgling United States as an independent nation!
In the beginning of the American Revolution, American merchant ships were attacked by the Barbary Pirates while sailing the Atlantic Ocean. At this time, American envoys tried to obtain protection from European powers, but to no avail. On December 20, 1777, Morocco's Sultan Mohammed III declared that the American merchant ships would be under the protection of the sultanate and could thus enjoy safe passage. Eventually the pirates by th 19th century slowly died out, disappered, only some small attacks up to 20th century did happen.

The Moroccan-American Treaty of Friendship stands as the U.S.'s oldest non-broken friendship treaty!

In the beginning of the 20th century french had huge influence over Morocco, culture, economic etc etc for many reasons I would prefer not to go into detail right now lol, anyway french became the second language in Morocco. Almost everyone talks french in Morocco now, and watches french TV etc. Probably one of the reasons theres quite a few Moroccans in france.

Morocco recovered its political independence from France on March 2, 1956.

The influences of culture changes shows in the food too!
This is a result of the centuries-long interaction of Morocco with the outside world. The cuisine of Morocco is a mix of Berber, Spanish, Corsican, Portuguese, Moorish, Middle Eastern, Mediterranean, and African cuisines. The cuisine of Morocco has been influenced by the native Berber cuisine, the Arabic Andalusian cuisine brought by the Moriscos when they left Spain, the Turkish cuisine from the Turks and the Middle Eastern cuisines brought by the Arabs, as well as Jewish cuisine.

So morocco has had influence so that their culture is a mix of arabic, berber, spanish, english, french etc. (thats why it's a great place to visit, it has a sense of mystery and beauty)

And now Morocco is still in big culture change, influences from all over the world, all kinds of music, all western products, bollywood movies, western clothes, fashion, bigger cities for example Casablanca.

Well that took quite some time to write lol.

The cultures of the countries in this world has always been changing and always will change, it's the way of life.

Thank you for reading.

Peace.

Originally posted by _Phoenix_

Originally posted by poet1b
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Thanks for the history on Morocco. What percentage of Morocco is Muslim? How safe is it for a white man to walk around? Isn't Casablanca in Morocco? Also, from my understanding, one of the populations with the highest percentages of RH negative blood is in the Mountains in Morocco. These people are probably related to the Basques, and the ancient Britons, after whom the British isles are named.

The way I see it, it that we either talk about our problems, suspicions, and fears in the escalating war between non-Muslims, even when these exchanges get ugly, or we can be silent, and the violence will come sooner than later.

Most of morocco is muslim, not sure on percentage but almost everyone.

But most are a very moderate, very relaxed form of muslims, not very strict etc.

Like I said before most young women wear very casual clothes, no scarf. You know jeans and top or moroccan style dress.

A white man can easily walk around morocco without problems, except maybe it's easier if you know french. There are many tourists in morocco, especially french, around the beaches areas, in Marrakesh because of it's uniquness, in fes medina market areas. Lots of tourists buy homes etc.

The only problem I could think of, is watch out for little thieves! they might target tourists because they got money, even moroccans have to watch out for them, you know on buses or crowded areas.

But the police deal well with them lol.

But except for that it's very nice, the houses are nice too, nice and spaceious, very friendly people. The familes are big and very loving, everyone is close to each other, you know lots of hugs and kisses sort of families.

Not sure about the RH negative blood, but I do know theres a lot of very light skinned moroccans, I've met quite a few moroccans with green eyes, light brown hair etc. Probably because of the berbers? or possibly other influences like the europeans, english etc. who knows.

Anyway I mentioned Morocco because from my experience it's nothing like some of the other muslims countries that are known for it's inhumanity.

Morocco is more like a euro-arab kind of country in the feel.

So we can't pick on all muslims, we have to pick on the dodgy ones. That was basically my point.


Anyway you were asking about Morocco here's a few short videos you can watch that gives you a much better idea than words.

Princess LALLA SOUKAINA


Fez Morocco- has kept it's old style traditional look unlike Casablanca for example.

YouTube Link

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Moroccan Celebrities clips, men/women.
The first clip is a MAN lol, he's funny.

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Moroccan Celeb Women.

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Some berber moroccans.
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Moroccan Celeb Men.

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Originally posted by Stormdancer777
Yes they are a beautiful people with a even more magnificent and interesting past, however, seems I recall

'Death to Ahmadinejad,' Iranian crowds cry

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"In Iran we don't have homosexuals like in your country," Ahmadinejad

Remember when he said this, what a card.

Maybe he should do stand up,

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This July, Iran executed 29 people in a single day following unfair trials. The process was so opaque that the identities of 19 of the executed men remain unknown. In 2005, when Ahmadinejad took office, Iran executed 86 people. Last year this number almost quadrupled to 317 people executed. Indeed, Iran executes more people than any other country but China (although its population is 18 times smaller). President Ahmadinejad's administration has also viciously targeted human rights defenders. Last month, the state official news agency, Islamic Republic News Agency, launched a series of attacks and defamations against Shirin Ebadi, the 2003 Nobel Peace Laureate. These articles rehashed allegations by a shadowy group that has sent regular death threats to Ebadi over the years. As a result, her safety and security are in serious danger.

Another well-known human rights defender, Emad Baghi, is currently imprisoned for articles he wrote against the application of death penalty a decade ago. With his health in a critical state, intelligence agents continue to harshly interrogate him in prison -- ironically, about his advocacy for prisoners' rights. Mohammad Sadiq Kaboudvand, the founder of the Human Rights Organization of Kurdistan, is serving an 11- year sentence; his crime: human rights advocacy.

These are only a few of the many grave human rights issues that have reached a crisis level under President Ahmadinejad. The persecution and prosecution of dissidents, journalists, students, labor activists, religious and ethnic minorities are also rampant.

What a sweetheart