Zeitgeist Addendum Released, page 9

reply to post by xsagex

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LMFAO what the same capitalist society that is currently crumbling under the weight of it's own corruption?

Look up the definition of Communism people. I have quoted it 3 times now in this thread and yet it seems that still more ignorant people choose not to read threads and still think they can project their 'informed' opinion on the rest of us.

reply to post by Kryties

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How many people did Stalin kill ? 60m (a conservative estimate)
Mao ? 50m

2 people killed over 100m people.

I don't see capitalism killing anybody.

reply to post by xsagex

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OK I am going to post this one more time for the dummies seeing as they obviously cannot do their own research....

From en.wikipedia.org...

Communism is a socioeconomic structure that promotes the establishment of an egalitarian, classless, stateless society based on common ownership of the means of production and property in general.

Communism, in theory, is actually a workable solution when it is not abused or misinterpreted.

The communist movement has attempted to produce a communist society by setting up political parties, which in some cases have become governments. These attempts have never produced a communist society, and have frequently led to totalitarian states.

This is why Communism is seen as an enemy to freedom and the people. Greed and corruption and a misunderstanding of the premise of Communism has altered public perception of what Communism is.

Oh and just FYI...

Originally posted by xsagex
I don't see capitalism killing anybody.

I can think of a certain war going on right now started by your capitalist love-child. In fact I can think of several wars started by your little capitalist friend. How easily you forget the atrocities of your own history in order to get your point across.



[edit on 5/10/2008 by Kryties]

What is money?

www.britishmuseum.org...

szabo.best.vwh.net...

In the late 1990s archaeologist Stanley Ambrose discovered, in the a rock-shelter in the Rift Valley of Kenya, a cache of beads made of ostrich eggshell, blanks, and shell fragments. They are dated using the argon-argon (40Ar/39Ar) ratio to at least 40,000 years old [A98]. Pierced animal teeth have been found in Spain also dating to this time. [W95] Perforated shells have also been recovered from early Paleolithic sites in Lebanon [G95]. Recently regular shells, prepared as strung beads and dating further back still, to 75,000 BP, have been found in Blombos Cave in South Africa.[B04]

The appraisal or value measurement problem is very broad. For humans it comes into play in any system of exchange -- reciprocation of favors, barter, money, credit, employment, or purchase in a market. It is important in extortion, taxation, tribute, and the setting of judicial penalties. It is even important in reciprocal altruism in animals. Consider monkeys exchanging favors -- say pieces of fruit for back scratches. Mutual grooming can remove ticks and fleas that an individual can't see or reach. But just how much grooming versus how many pieces of fruit constitutes a reciprocation that both sides will consider to be "fair", or in other words not a defection?

Is twenty minutes of backscratching worth one piece of fruit or two? And how big a piece?

Nineteenth century economist Carl Menger first described how money evolves naturally and inevitably from a sufficient volume of commodity barter.

I don't have anyting to say,in awe.

reply to post by Karlhungis

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I just watched a video on nwo and overpopulation last week via a thread here on ATS that was very good, one thing it said overpopulation is a myth. That if every one of 6 billion people had 1/4 of an acres, they would take up Australia, and /or part of New Zealand leaving the rest of the world untouched. This was surprising in itself. He said its not that we don't have enough for the current population, its that our world is poorly managed. I don't remember the name of the thread so I don't want to search for it. Lol. Nonetheless, we would have to be intelligent in a resource society and use birth control or get fixed after two children if birth control doesn't work.
Also, as I keep saying this is the technologically upgraded model of how natives have always lived, a similar model was practiced for over 10,000 years in the Americas so it does stand to reason that we actually could opt out of the current system in large numbers and refuse to participate, adopting this instead. Our system may need to crumble a lot more in order for more people to wake up, but those who can pool money in this system may be able to start forerunners to it. Initially after a collapse, even with people being offered this at the right moment, and turning to each other (rather than collapsing in fear, chaos and violence) I imagine it would take some time for everyone to attain a high standard of living. But within a decade of a system like this, the past would look like primitive usuary compared to the future high standards of living. Aside from sharing some of the necessary work for scant hours (ie, technicians would be needed, some attention to agriculture though machines could eventually do a lot, teachers, medicine). Some things would need to be shared on very short schedules, say 5 or so hours a week. But we would contribute from our passions, creativity, clothing, art, music, books, inventions in an opensource manner, like linux does, giving what we have without fear of patents and copyright, and sharing, while others provide as well, taking what we like, for the benefit of enriching all.

You know I was wondering,

"Conspiracy material is a big business, and the only thing that matters is money."

zeitgeistmovieisfake.com...

I did watch most of the first one, but I haven't watched this one,

Trust no one.

no longer be infants, tossed back and forth by the waves, and blown here and there by every wind of teaching and by the cunning and craftiness of men in their deceitful scheming.

[edit on 103131p://bSunday2008 by Stormdancer777]

Originally posted by xsagex
reply to post by Kryties

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I don't see capitalism killing anybody.

Yeah capitalism never hurt a soul!!! What planet are you living on? Civilian deaths re staggering even with our "smart" bombs and i forget but didnt capitalism unleash 2 nuclear bombs on the world killing ad deforming hundreds of thousands.

capitalism is no saint, without corruption a resource based economy would flourish. Call t communism if you want, though we have been drilled to think communism=evil since birth.

I think this movie was great and why can't people just admit it brings up a GREAT point! We need an upheaval of our current system in order or future generation's to enjoy this planet.

If this movie gets people to start discussions on how to do this then job wel done!!

reply to post by Karlhungis

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i don't know about this venus project, but all of this is recycled,

sounds like heaven on earth, where have i heard that before?

ah Utopia, what we are all striving for, and what since the beginning of time has proven unattainable .

en.wikipedia.org...

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These people figured out how to set up a self-sustaining resource based society. I guess it works well in small villages like this. The world should be focused on how we canbe more like these people. Thats why they face so much opposition from the governments because they realize if the rest of the world catches on, we wont need money, greed, or capitalism anymore.

Communities like this one, Lammas are popping up all over the world!

reply to post by SR

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The Venus Project was used as a visual example to go along with what the filmmaker was talking about. Jaques Fresco is a famous social engineer whose other professions include architecture. I see every reason to include what he has to say in this film as it is entirely relevant and 'outside the box'.

reply to post by bringthelight

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Just like I aways say, earth is a beautiful place until you get here, and have to contend with the bugs, lions, tigers, and bears, crop failures, and disease, earthquakes, hurricanes, volcanoes, and floods, or one or two cometary impacts, and each other.

All tribes eventually must have laws and tribal council's and governments, they have to depend on other tribes and bartering.

Humans are frail and subject to human failures,

One or two droughts, and an early frost or crop failure, and we invade the other tribes and eat each other.



[edit on 113131p://bSunday2008 by Stormdancer777]

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