has anybody thought of overpopulation yet?
I found a hidden message in the venus program ideals is that it would only work if the world population was downsized to a managable amount.
Can you expect, for example, families that have starved in africa for generations, and watched as the west exploded wealth-wise all of a sudden claim, you dont need wealth and riches?
Seems these ideologies are born out of a first-world mindset and not considerate of poorer nations at all..
so i wonder...and it brings me back to questions of if this is a commercial full of lies to get us to accept the NWO? are they pro-depopulation?

Originally posted by kidney thief
has anybody thought of overpopulation yet?

If you gave every human (man, woman, child) 1/4 of an acre in Australia, there would still be Australian land left over...plus the rest of the world. What overpopulation?

I found a hidden message in the venus program ideals is that it would only work if the world population was downsized to a managable amount.

Um... No. And here's the reasons:

1. The world has plenty for everyone now - it's just VERY badly managed.

2. The Elite already have free energy (i.e., Dark Energy from the plenum - which some call the vacuum). This is an infinite source of energy, and the load determines how much is drawn (the more you need, the more will pour forth).

3. Given that we have already transmuted lead into gold, at HUGE energy costs, with free energy, we can transmute anything into anything else, removing the need to mine specific things - giving us effectively infinite supplies.

4. The tech curve - the plotting of technological advances through history - is an exponential one (it is increasing in steps per increment exponentially), and is due to go effectively infinite in 2012, making the tech for transmutation, energy, and likely replicators, transporters, anti-grav, and any other technological wonder you can name...in about four years.

That is if the Elite of this evil-filled monetary system don't kill us first.

Can you expect, for example, families that have starved in africa for generations, and watched as the west exploded wealth-wise all of a sudden claim, you dont need wealth and riches?

I don't think that is what this is about, even. Instead, THEIR standard of living will come up to that of today's Elite (as will ours). They're not going to "tell" us what we need or don't need.

Seems these ideologies are born out of a first-world mindset and not considerate of poorer nations at all..

Seems to me you're failing to see the whole picture...

so i wonder...and it brings me back to questions of if this is a commercial full of lies to get us to accept the NWO? are they pro-depopulation?

Um... Nope. They're pro-freedom, every human loved and living well.

Oh, and if we have anti-grav... We can populate the sky.

I watched the entire film, and I both loved and hated it. I found the part about our financial system very educational and enlightening. But the crap about the venus project was a joke to me. I would not want to live in that type of society where everything was homogeneous and all daily tasks were automated. Too boring. I like diversity too much to buy into that system. That guy who heads that venus project was your typical cult leader. He reminded me of the guy who led the heavens gate cult who all committed suicide to take a ride in the comet. Cut out all the venus project malarkey and you have a good film.

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Originally posted by The Oak
I watched the entire film, and I both loved and hated it. I found the part about our financial system very educational and enlightening. But the crap about the venus project was a joke to me. I would not want to live in that type of society where everything was homogeneous and all daily tasks were automated. Too boring. I like diversity too much to buy into that system. That guy who heads that venus project was your typical cult leader. He reminded me of the guy who led the heavens gate cult who all committed suicide to take a ride in the comet. Cut out all the venus project malarkey and you have a good film.

Ah, another one who doesn't get it.

It is NOT homogeneity. It is the perpetual opportunity to pursue one's bliss. If you love to scuba dive - you can do that every day, all the time - and not worry about having food, clothing, shelter, love, tools. ALL of that will be yours.

If you love to go camping - you can do that every day, all the time - and not worry about having food, clothing, shelter, love, tools. ALL of that will be yours.

If you love to put on plays - you can do that every day, all the time - and not worry about having food, clothing, shelter, love, tools. ALL of that will be yours.

If you love to program computers - you can do that every day, all the time - and not worry about having food, clothing, shelter, love, tools. ALL of that will be yours.

If you love to go to amusement parks - you can do that every day, all the time - and not worry about having food, clothing, shelter, love, tools. ALL of that will be yours.

If you love to collect coins - you can do that every day, all the time - and not worry about having food, clothing, shelter, love, tools. ALL of that will be yours.

If you love to design clothing - you can do that every day, all the time - and not worry about having food, clothing, shelter, love, tools. ALL of that will be yours.

If you love to climb mountains - you can do that every day, all the time - and not worry about having food, clothing, shelter, love, tools. ALL of that will be yours.

If you love to paint pictures - you can do that every day, all the time - and not worry about having food, clothing, shelter, love, tools. ALL of that will be yours.

If you love to make video games - you can do that every day, all the time - and not worry about having food, clothing, shelter, love, tools. ALL of that will be yours.

If you love to play video games - you can do that every day, all the time - and not worry about having food, clothing, shelter, love, tools. ALL of that will be yours.

If you love to discuss topics on ATS - you can do that every day, all the time - and not worry about having food, clothing, shelter, love, tools. ALL of that will be yours.

If you love to [fill in this space with any friggin' thing YOU love to do] - you can do that every day, all the time - and not worry about having food, clothing, shelter, love, tools. ALL of that will be yours.

I have typed till I'm blue in the fingers here. Go back four or five pages, start reading... And be enlightened.

Its like being on open source, and running linux on your computer instead of Microsoft. Michael St. Claire makes that reference himself. You should search for his website. He's establishing similar safe villages. People with resources are already doing these kinds of things. Its the many who are not so well off that need to get organized together so they won't become victims of this economy and planned depopulation. There are already many who need to get organized and they don't know how to. It might be something to get something going for them to hand out and organize the poor and vulnerable. They're the ones that matter the most to me.

Uhm, isn't it that's where the entire world is heading right now? With the economic collapse drama, money would be worthless... Nations will start warring with each other because of the perceived scarcity, reducing further human population in preparation for the resource-based economy?

Originally posted by Amaterasu
But the point is... Wondrous tech exists.

... and is being actively supressed. For instance, Nikola Tesla's Dynamic Theory of Gravity has been locked up by the FBI for national security reasons... for almost 100 years.

Now this is only a paper, a theory, not even technology per se... kind of makes you wonder, what else they've got hidden away.

Wow! this video is amazing. If i could broadcast this on every TV i would . . . people need to wake the hell up. I'm glad that someone is attempting to change awareness . . .

Originally posted by Manawydan

Originally posted by Amaterasu
But the point is... Wondrous tech exists.

... and is being actively supressed. For instance, Nikola Tesla's Dynamic Theory of Gravity has been locked up by the FBI for national security reasons... for almost 100 years.

Now this is only a paper, a theory, not even technology per se... kind of makes you wonder, what else they've got hidden away.

Oh, I have no doubt the theory has been worked into practice by now.

Yes, the Elite live in a very different world. And I am rather mystified as to why they don't give us all the tech they have. Ok, sure, we could not be controlled, sure we would be free, sure we would live at Elite standards, but what skin off THEIR noses is it? They TOO will not be controlled, will be free, will continue their standard of living.

Maybe they have just been indoctrinated so deeply with the idea that somehow THEY deserve the good and we don't. That THEY are BETTER than us. That is their BIRTHRIGHT to treat us like animals, rather than the dignity we deserve as evolved Consciousness. I just don't grasp it, though.

Maybe someone needs to wake THEM up, too.

There are too many scared people to have faith in what that video says right now. Im down for the future and that video is very inspiring. I can easily imagine the controllers falling due the time wave and the human race figuring out how exactly to go forward. that or technology will inherently grow to the proportions described in the video and our economy would shift over to a resource one. No one would need to work because the system took care of them so well. Sorta like the welfare state right now.

Not yet, but I've liked some of the domes as well. A good friend of mine spent some time helping build one with her partner. I think some of the cob homes built into hillsides look pretty tempting myself as well.

[edit on 9-10-2008 by mystiq]