Palin says Obama comments disqualify him from whitehouse

Originally posted by dooper
143 days and he's somehow ready to be Commander in Chief, Leader of the Free World. I agree that neither man is what we need, but my God, of the two evils, I tend to choose the lesser.

What about John Adams, Thomas Jefferson, George Washington? They had no executive experience whatsoever. They had far fewer working days than Obama. Can you guess how many? They had none. They went along with all of this as it came to them. All they knew of war and politics was that which they read in history books. In fact, when all this happened, they were younger than Senator Obama is today.

It's in the character of men, not their accomplishments, that endow them with prosperity and success. Isn't that a simple enough truth?

People criticize Obama for an apparent "cult of personality". Now tell me, who was the most criticized in Congress when the U.S. first began to take its own shape? Who then happened to be the most influential figure in the shaping of this great nation? It was John Adams, a sadly forsaken American hero.


[edit on 4-10-2008 by cognoscente]

Frankly, how anyone can get riled up by anything Palin says is beyond me.

She is the biggest, most cynical joke foisted on the US electorate since Dan Quayle (a pure idiot, but nonetheless Bush I's VP), and nearly as big as W himself, our great, virtually inert Decider.

Onward Christian Hockey Moms! Save us from thought!

I was pretty surprized to hear Palin talk in terms of winning or losing the war in Iraq. Seems to me that if you decide to invade and occupy a foreign country and you do it, then you have won. "Mission accomplished".

I think what's happening is that the current POB are afraid that people have awakened to the fact that this war is wrong on all counts, that it never should have happened, that so many civilians have been killed it borders on genocide, that it has damaged our standing in the world and maybe irrepairably so, and that we need to stop it and make things right.

I, for one, breathe in just the faintest aroma of hope when I listen to Obama and Biden......maybe, just maybe, things will turn around under their leadership.

This is my own opinion.................not trolling.

Well, being one month away from election day, and in light of recent polls, we can safely agree that both McCain and Palin have far less than a fighting chance at this election. Republic party opinion of the two has fallen sharply, to an extreme degree, in a matter of simply a week. We can all now rest easy.

[edit on 4-10-2008 by cognoscente]

Originally posted by bknapple32

She then slammed Barack Obama calling him disqualified to be President of the United States, “Some of his comments that he has made about the war that I think may — in my world– disqualifies someone from consideration as the next commander in chief.” Palin said, “Some of his comments about Afghanistan and what we are doing there supposedly– just air raiding villages and killing civilians. That’s reckless...."

Id like to know what dq's him.

First off, she declared that this disqualifies Senator Obama from becoming the Commander-in-Chief in HER World. In other words, she is stating this view-point as a mother of a son whom is going off to fight the very same war in the very same Military which Senator Obama despises so much. I know about how much Senator Obama hates the Military, it is no secret. I have acquaintances who were on base in Bagram the day that he arrived for his "Basketball Shoot". He brushed off EVERY single one of the Marines and Service Personnel who had lined up to shake hands with him. He walked into the tent, shot a basket for the Media, and then departed all while ignoring every last Serving Member of the Military who had wished to talk, shake hands, and just say hello to him. He could afford a publicity stunt, but not an actual "Thanks" to our Serving Men and Women. This speaks a tremendous amount about a potential Commander-in-Chief.

THEN, to also have such issues as him calling our Military Personnel "Village Destroyers", and declaring that they are "Murdering Civilians", is downright despicable at BEST! This is disgusting beyond belief, and to even expect for him to Command our Military Forces is absolutely unthinkable. How do you believe he can properly assume his role as Commander-in-Chief if he has nothing but disdain for the Military, and they in return have absolutely no respect for him? It IS a major issue, and one which calls into question his true feelings towards those serving this Nation, and his ability to Lead them.



[edit on 10-5-2008 by TheAgentNineteen]

Originally posted by cognoscente

What about John Adams, Thomas Jefferson, George Washington? They had no executive experience whatsoever. They had far fewer working days than Obama.

People criticize Obama for an apparent "cult of personality". Now tell me, who was the most criticized in Congress when the U.S. first began to take its own shape? Who then happened to be the most influential figure in the shaping of this great nation? It was John Adams, a sadly forsaken American hero.

Oh wow, first everyone compared Senator Obama to Abraham Lincoln, and then John F. Kennedy Jr., NOW you are comparing him to America's Founding Fathers!? What an absolute and irresponsible joke. The Founding Fathers had far more knowledge, dignity, poise, tenacity, responsibility, respect, and class than Senator Obama could EVER dream of.

-Thomas Jefferson wrote the Declaration of Independence at the age of 33.

-John Adams took part in the Uniting of the States at the age of 43.

-George Washington lead an entire Continental Military Force at the age of 43.

Let me think, Senator Obama is 46 Years Old, and he has failed to even Unite his own Party, let alone the States. He has never served in the Military, and most certainly cannot lead them. I also fail to see where Senator Obama has even voted on or assisted in writing a single Amendment to the United States Constitution, let alone the act of actually creating such a Constitution from scratch. Now a Declaration of Independence? Yes, let us all witness this "Great Statesman" even recollect a single line of this document, let alone try to create his own version of it.

Also, never in your life ever try to compare a Socialist/Marxist to the very founders of Modern Capitalism and Democracy. Your ideals of comparison are so rogue and ill-founded, you must be lacking in your understanding of the very Foundations upon which this Great Nation was created.

Originally posted by TheAgentNineteen
First off, she declared that this disqualifies Senator Obama from becoming the Commander-in-Chief in HER World. In other words, she is stating this view-point as a mother of a son whom is going off to fight the very same war in the very same Military which Senator Obama despises so much.

Obama doesnt hate the military, though I see rightwingers prefer to make that accusation because he opposes this war of lies. Just because Obama is against the war doesnt mean he is a against the military, that claim is an absolute LIE and a disgusting politically motivated accusation in favour of the war.

I think if anything, Obama loves the military more than John mccain and most pro-warhawks because he has no intention of putting them through harms way for politically motivated reasons. Unlike McCain and the rest of the right, who feel its necessary to police the world.

Maybe you should consider whether you love and respect our men and women in uniform, so much that you will only put them into war if america is threatened, not as to whether it will score points for your political party.

I know about how much Senator Obama hates the Military, it is no secret.

See this is ever so similar to 1930s Germany and Italy where if you opposed what the nazis were doing to Poland, France and the rest of Europe, you were labelled an anti-German, an "anti-aryan", someone who hates his military and his countryman. Your attitude, along with many others on the right side follows these exact lines.

You better go back to the books a read up what real patriotism is. You'll probably find that its significantly different to that of nationalism, or facism. I see people get them mixed up too often these days.

I have acquaintances who were on base in Bagram the day that he arrived for his "Basketball Shoot". He brushed off EVERY single one of the Marines and Service Personnel who had lined up to shake hands with him.

Yes im sure that according to the pro-rightwing sources you got this information from, this occurence "must have happened". Never mind the real situation or other sides to the story... this was probably sourced from your pro-mccain buddies and thats what you got. Being the non-objective rightwinger yourself, ofcourse you will believe every bit of that and take it in who knows... maybe you were just in search to smear the man again, I dont know.

He walked into the tent, shot a basket for the Media, and then departed all while ignoring every last Serving Member of the Military who had wished to talk, shake hands, and just say hello to him. He could afford a publicity stunt, but not an actual "Thanks" to our Serving Men and Women. This speaks a tremendous amount about a potential Commander-in-Chief.

Are you going to provide us with evidence of this occurence, or is this just one of those rightiwing rumors of yours? Im pritty sure they are...

You know its so easy for me to say I heard from my buddies in Iraq that McCain totally ignored them and acted snobby when he went to Iraq, its so easy for me to go to an anti-mccain individual and ask him as to whether mccain acted negatively towards the soldiers... then Ill just come back online here and say that "I heard this".

I am just astounded at how easily you fellas can take in the rightwing slanted crap thats been posted all over the internet, spread from table to table, and you can come here and play down the presidential candidate.

I mean there seems to be no objectivity you know? Just partisan BS.... I mean if Im going to talk down about the candidate, Im going to do regarding the relevant issues to POTUS, and Im actually going to have the evidence to back it up. Im also going to make sure my liberal beliefs dont get in the way of denying ignorance, I wont just agree and believe everything I hear from obvious slanted sources simply because it benefits my political affiliation.... Maybe you should start doing this to.

[edit on 5-10-2008 by southern_Guardian]

reply to post by TheAgentNineteen


so according to what your saying there, wouldnt that technically mean that mccain doesnt have executive experience I mean seriously now, consider what you posted just now. And by the way tell us what executive experience is again...

Palin's right. Obama is not fit to lead the USA and would make a lousy representative for the US on the international stage.

All Obama can do is restore the US' credibility with Europe and the Islamic world. (As if we really care what anybody outside the US thinks!) All Obama ever did on the International stage is receive a hero's welcome in countries like Kenya and Germany.

Sarah Palin on the other lives near Canada and is just across the Bering Sea from Russia. Palin can shoot a moose and takes her kids to hockey practice.

Unfortunately, we may never have the good fortune of calling Palin commander in chief. Even if McCain wins, he is a young, vigorous man who has no history of health problems.

So she makes up stuff and says that made up stuff dq Obama? Hm, republicans making stuff up and using it as fact to get something done, like invade Iraq. Yep, 4 more years of Bush!

reply to post by southern_Guardian

(Agent Nineteen, my salute to you! I've never heard such uninformed blather in all my life.)

I agree that Obama does not hate the military. He despised the military. He and his cohorts were hoping for an American defeat, and our military, in spite of the most counterproductive directives ever imposed on a military, prevailed.

Never fear. If elected he'll get his defeat yet. Obama will have defeat snatched from the jaws of victory.

You suggest that Obama loves the troops more because he would not place them in harm's way unless America were being attacked. Jesus Christ. Where exactly have you been since the morning of 9-11?

Let me explain this to you, and just for you, I'll type real slow. When you are forced to fight an opponent - by the opponent - when you are given absolutely no choice - then all military principle since time began indicates that it is much better to fight the enemy outside the gates than fight them within the gates.

Our mere presence in Iraq draws all these no-life Muslim fanatic losers from all over the Middle East like steamy, wet dookey draws flies. They can't wait to get there and fulfill the second greatest pillar of Islam. So we are able to accommodate them - over there.

The men at the Alamo were very brave and very capable, but by foregoing freedom of movement they holed up behind their walls waiting for their enemy to come to them. And do you recall why we only got to hear the Mexican side?

You use the Germans in WWII as some twisted example. But hey, let's use them. In 1938-1939, Germany, and thus Hitler were very weak militarily. Building as fast as they could, but weak. Hitler could have been stopped cold in 1938-39 had the French and Brits taken him on. Maybe less than 500,000 casualties. Is 500,000 casualties good? Of course not!

But by delaying, hesitating, and talking, especially when Hitler's intentions were clearly discerned, France was invaded and fell, Britain was bombed and almost invaded, and because of inaction on a threat while it was manageable, 52,000,000 died over the next six years. Is any of this sinking in? I'd love to see your kind engaged in mortal combat with these fanatics right here in the United States. Those liberals would be dropping faster than bird dookey in a downdraft. But hang on. Obama will likely give you that chance.

One other thing. I had troops tell me how Obama ignored them on his "visit" to the troops. He didn't come near them. McCain when he visits is all about the troops. Wonder why? Because he formerly was one of the troops!

And by the way. Many of those troops were compelled to be there by their officers. They sure as hell didn't care for Obama! And if I'd said some of the irresponsible, stupid things he's said about the troops, I'd sure as hell stay away from them too!

If Obama is elected, since he's already perceived by the predators of the world to be prey, they will push and push until our backs are to the wall. Nuclear war? Who knows? He's going to get a lot of Americans killed directly or indirectly. You watch and see. Jimmy Carter, another who wore his shorts backwards got away with his stupidity and weakness as times were not as troubling. And he couldn't stand up to Iran! Guess what? We're going to have another go-around with Iran.

The best thing about being attacked is the anarchy. The leftist elite pacifists, the intellectual socialists, and academia cowards are the first to fall. Every single time. It's like nature's way of saying, "You're an idiot, and shouldn't breed."

All life is a race, a hide, or a fight. You are predator or prey. You don't have to like it, and if you are a leftist liberal who wants to talk, you are clearly prey - and thus you won't like it. You leftist, liberals can never learn what the millennia of history has to teach us.

We will get the President we deserve. God help us.

reply to post by dooper


Was there anything not pure bigotry/racism/ignorant in that post? ANything true? I sure couldn't find it.

www.factcheck.org...

Originally posted by dooper

I've noticed the education system of this country going right down the crapper for the past couple of decades. Truly a dumbing down, and such irresponsible understanding is the result. Maybe we do need an apocalypse to thin out such stupidity. My God. You make me ashamed.

Yeah, me too. For instance, it's given us Palin as a Vice-Presidential choice. Every time she opens her mouth she shows the world how pathetic and ineffective our educational system has become. The woman can't string two coherent and complete sentences together.

Originally posted by dooper
I agree that Obama does not hate the military. He despised the military

To pro-war rightwingers like yourselves, Im pritty darn sure he must hate the military! I mean if anybody speaks out against political and economic motivated wars, they must hate the military

Could you fellas come up with better excuses for putting our men and women through harms way for greed of the elite?

He and his cohorts were hoping for an American defeat

Military defeat against who? The real war was in afghanistan to start with where Osama and his buddies are. What "war" are you talking about in Iraq dooper? Wasnt it that this whole thing was about WMDs? Why is the reasoning of this war shifting everytime it comes into question dooper?

Have you noticed how hard it is becoming for you to explain this war dooper? Why dont you just step back, take a breather, and think to yourself why you feel the need to make excuses for this war.

and our military, in spite of the most counterproductive directives ever imposed on a military, prevailed.

Oh really? And what was that against dooper? As I recall this war was about WMDs, and they were confirmed as nonexisten in Iraq before the invasion. What "war" dooper? Whos the enemy dooper? Because there certainly was no threat before Bush and his rightwing buddies decided to wage war.

Never fear. If elected he'll get his defeat yet. Obama will have defeat snatched from the jaws of victory.

Victory over what? As I recall this war now has little to do with the initial reasoning few years back. It appears that we have wasted about a trillion dollars over a war we dont seem to have legit reasoning for... I mean the only benefit of this war is to the corporations.

Damn straight troops need to be taken out there. Obama has the balls to stand up an expose this war for what it is. Why dont rightwingers get off the highhorses and do the same eh? Its not as if its ganna make any less conservative in your political affiliations.. I mean really now.

What victory is this war if sunnis and shiites are fighting and tearing the nation apart now? What victory is this if the nation is on the verge of civil war?

What victory is this war if its costing the tax payer over a trillion meanwhile the economy is in such a shape and the war against Osama in afghanistan is weakening?

What victory is this if Osama and Al Quaida is still out there stronger than ever?

What victory if there was no real reason to go to war with Iraq in the first place?

You suggest that Obama loves the troops more because he would not place them in harm's way unless America were being attacked.

Under threat, attacked, allies attacked etc... I think its clear enough what I said dooper, and Iraq doesnt qualify for either, other than to benefit the big boys in corporate city.

Where exactly have you been since the morning of 9-11?

Heres a question for you dooper... what does 9/11 have to do with Iraq in the first place?

Let me explain this to you, and just for you, I'll type real slow. When you are forced to fight an opponent - by the opponent - when you are given absolutely no choice - then all military principle since time began indicates that it is much better to fight the enemy outside the gates than fight them within the gates.

How was America "forced" into invading Iraq dooper? What are you talking about? No choice??? for what?? There was never a legit reason to start with. Why are you so scared about admitting that the Iraq war was a lie? Why do you feel the need to make excuses for the war? Its never to late to admit that this war was a lie. Why continue to make excuses in favour for the neo-conservative agenda? Your not doing your argument any good dooper.

Our mere presence in Iraq draws all these no-life Muslim fanatic losers from all over the Middle East like steamy, wet dookey draws flies.

If anything dooper, Iraq gave those fanatics tonnes of "wet dooky" without them having to do much. Osama is out there laughing dooper. His laughing because part of america is still arrogant and ignorant enough to believe this war means anything. We'r wasting over $200 million there a day, we have lost 4000 of our men and women in uniform and the toll is growing, we're merely fighting against angry Iraqis who never wanted us there in the first place and had nothing to do with 9/11 and Iraq has merely served as a distraction from the real enemy in afghanistan.

The economy has been in part weakened because of this war, resources are become scarce over this war. It only serves the real enemy dooper... Bush and right just handed the real enemy, Osama and Al Quada, a plate of hot steamy victory.

You use the Germans in WWII as some twisted example.

So let me get this straight.... calling somebody unpatriotic, ignorant and "anti-support for our troops" is not twisted because they oppose what is clearly a war for idiots, yet, comparing this to what was so evident during the 1930s support Germans to Hitler twisted?

Dead wrong again dooper.

We will get the President we deserve.

Yes we got the president we deserved over the last 8years dooper, and with mccain we'll deserve more negative change. If America votes in Obama, then america does deserves positive change.

Remember dooper, just because your conservative doesnt mean you have follow both the wrongs and the rights of your political party. Patriots follow the rightous path, nationalists follow their leaders into a deep hole they can never find themselves out of.

[edit on 5-10-2008 by southern_Guardian]

Everything that Palin has said publicly and particularly in front of a TV camera, disqualifies her to not only be the Vice President of this country, it also disqualifies her from being taken seriously as someone who could ever be President of these United States of America.

What were they thinking when they plucked this unknown nobody from obsurity to become McCain's running mate? Did they think that women voters would be stupid enough to fall for the ploy of putting a woman on the ticket? Did they think women would somehow miss the fact that every time Palin speaks, she cements in the minds of listeners the fact that she's a complete airhead? Anyone who saw the Katie Couric interview knows that there is a serious problem with Palin's inability to string enough words together to make an intelligent sentence. Perhaps anyone brain dead enough to be a Palin supporter could argue that Katie Couric set her up, but that isn't true. It's nothing more than an allybi to excuse Palin's mediocrity. Couric asked Palin intelligent questions other candidates could have answered intelligently, but Palin could not. During the VP debate, no one could possibly miss the fact that Palin didn't answer any of the questions directly. That wasn't part of the "script" she was fed. Palin avoided answering the questions purposely, and made her "goshdarn" folksy comments that are claimed to have been aimed at the American People ("Joe Six Pack"). This is because it is claimed that she has the ability to "connect" with average every day people. Sure. Perhaps the retarded ones (the ones she keeps winking at). The rest of us know better. The only person Palin could have possibly connected with during that debate is someone who is completely brain dead. Just because Palin was able to speak in complete sentences during the debate doesn't mean she performed well. That just means her speach coach earned their money for a one night performance. Palin did not "hold her own". She was spoon fed lines to say from notes she frantically read while Biden was providing intelligent answers to questions on real issues. Real issues that Palin isn't capable of having an intelligent discussion on. Did Palin loose the debate handily? "YOU BETCHA"!!!!

No one outside of Alaska heard of Palin before she was chosen to be McCain's running mate. What has she done to qualify her to be Vice President, let alone President? Even if she had done anything more than prove she's incapable of being more than a spoon fed puppet, listen to her talk for five minutes and tell me that any of you conservatives republicans have the warm fuzzies about her being President??? I don't think so.

Palin is mediocre. They have reached to the bottom of the barrel to find someone they think will connect with most of us. It's just not happening and every time Palin speaks in public or does an interview, McCain should cringe.

[edit on 5-10-2008 by Mirlin11]

Wow. Obama is anti war but McCain is pro war yet...

McCain wants to stay in Iraq, Invade Iran, and ignore OBL and the Taliban.

Obama wants to ignore countries that never attacked us, aren't a threat, and go after OBL and the Taliban.

McCain said very clearly that if the Taliban and OBL are in Pakistan, too bad.

Obama said he'd invade Pakistan to get OBL and the Taliban.

McCain told OBL that all he has to do is go to Pakistan and he's safe. McCain told OBL that he could stand on the border, aim nukes at our troops, and McCain would just let OBL nuke our troops in Afganistan because he was standing in Pakistan.

Obama said he'd go after OBL no matter where he is. Obama doesn't car if Osama is in Pakistan, he'll get the man who attacked us.

So, who is the anti military one? The guy who wants to murder US troops in Iraq and Iran, or the man who wants to send them on the mission they signed up for and that is protecting America and getting our enemies who attack us.

If McCain had been President during WWII could you imagine? "Japan has attacked us, we'll invade Canada! Oh hey Hitler, as long as you aren't in Germany, we won't go after you." That's what McCain is doing now.

Ask Palin what she would do, but have a drink before she answers, because she won't answer the question directly. She'll spout the script she was fed and make some pointless attack against Obama because she's clueless and out of her element. We're talking about Foreign Policy here, not "moose hunting".

So let me get this straight. Because I am an American and my president (who I did not vote into office) declares a war that sends innocent soldiers off to their deaths, I am supposed to automatically feel as if not agreeing with the war makes someone un-American? Well, I can tell you that the majority of Americans living today are un-American. Just because I am in society that has unfortunatley been thrust into a useless deathtrap doesn't mean that I can suddenly have sympathy for the president that decided on it being this way. Quite the contrary. Yes, I have sympathy for all the men and women that lost their lives, but I still and will NEVER understand or condone the decision the president made to thrust us into war in the first place. So call me an un-American as well, but I am in wonderful company.

reply to post by TheAgentNineteen


I was comparing Obama's supposed "cult of personality" to the dispositions of the Founding Fathers themselves. I never said he was like John Adams or any other Founding Father for that matter, or even accomplished anything to the order that they did. You blew up my entire statement, made some arbitrary claim, and then attacked it. Congratulations on your self gratifying post. And a reminder... please, never in your life, command anyone to believe anything so hopelessly ignorant and opprobrious.

Look, the Founding Fathers never directly advocated Capitalism. They knew that whatever form of economy we chose to pursue that would bring prosperity and happiness to its citizens would suffice. They would not share your views if they were standing here today.

You must be wholly ignorant of all that is happening in this country today, and the entire history of this country, for that matter, if you truly believe we have, for the length of American history, pursued pure Capitalist ideals. In fact, we have always been a Socialist state, under the pretense of a Capitalist purview, which is especially evident today in our financial and banking systems. We have a Free Market, but that does not make us Capitalists. Your very understanding of both politics and economic theory is so perturbed that you appear to be living your whole life in fantasy. Your post shames all Americans.

Oh and you forgot to address this, the underlying theme of my post.

"It's in the character of men, not their accomplishments, that endow them with prosperity and success. Isn't that a simple enough truth?"

Sure, the Founding Fathers accomplished a lot. But before the world threw them into their destinies, what did they have? Some were lawyers, brewers, or bookworms, some were fighters, lovers, friends... They had character and integrity, and the intensity of determination powered by the experiences of their lives, both of joy and tragedy.

They didn't do those things alone. They were thrust into that world, and they were guided by theirs principles, their faith, hope and morality. They had the audacity to challenge the greatest Empire on the Earth.

It's not fair to say that Obama, years older than the Founding Fathers were when they accomplished their great deeds, is now incapable, or ineligible to be great as they were. They lived in different times. When Obama rises to the occasion, I am confident that he will do as fine a job as our Founding Fathers could imagine.

The fact is you are immortalizing them, and that is not how they would have wished to be remembered, not as marble gods on display for eternity, the world in reverence at their feet, but simply as men, which any person could aspire and relate to.


[edit on 6-10-2008 by cognoscente]

Originally posted by hotpinkurinalmint
Palin's right. Obama is not fit to lead the USA and would make a lousy representative for the US on the international stage.

All Obama can do is restore the US' credibility with Europe and the Islamic world. (As if we really care what anybody outside the US thinks!) All Obama ever did on the International stage is receive a hero's welcome in countries like Kenya and Germany.

Sarah Palin on the other lives near Canada and is just across the Bering Sea from Russia. Palin can shoot a moose and takes her kids to hockey practice.

Unfortunately, we may never have the good fortune of calling Palin commander in chief. Even if McCain wins, he is a young, vigorous man who has no history of health problems.

McCain is not young by any shot. He has skin cancer. So the probability that he dies within his first term in office as President, is about 1/5. That alone should be reason enough not to vote for him; the fact that Palin could assume the Presidency is horrifying.

[edit on 6-10-2008 by cognoscente]