Who won tonights debate?

Personally, I was expected a more no holds barred kinda debate, like VP's are supposed to do. I was disappointed that they didn't go after each other's side more. It was just too civilized for my tastes. That being said, the tameness of the debate left no room for a winner or loser.

They are just VP candidates in a pretty boring Debate, the Debate didn't do much to sway people to either side. That probably ended up helping Obama as it seems they just needed to avoid a knockout and hold serve.

Just my opinion.

Originally posted by feydrautha


do you have anything more to offer than simple political baiting?

You must be confusing me with Sarah Palin and every other speaker at the Republican National Convention.

reply to post by SR


as long as it isn't about her gender or things related to her gender, like being a mom, or being in a beauty contest, i see no problem with it.
for hillary it was that she might suddenly have a bad menstrual period and nuke the planet. (and heck, they don't know if she even has a menstrual cycle anymore.) just more stereotyping, playing on people's innate tendency to be fickle and prejudice.

reply to post by Keyhole


You wrote "I think Biden won, gave the best and more "in depth" answers."

Here is one of Biden's "indepth" answers:
BIDEN warned that Republican presidential candidate John McCain's $5,000 tax credit to help families buy health coverage "will go straight to the insurance company."

Biden must not have thought very hard on that one because of course the money would go to the insurance companies, it was designed that way!

or:

BIDEN said McCain supports tax breaks for oil companies, and "wants to give them another $4 billion tax cut."

Actually McCain has never singled out oil companies for tax breaks, he wants to give all corporations a tax break. Something we will be needing, IMHO, if the economy keeps heading south!

I could go on and on about Biden.

Biden was a lot more wordy,boring and lacking in integrity in his responses, but, oh well,he's a liberal and he means well, right?!

Who won tonight's debate?

If we are asking who got screwed, basically the Americans who would prefer we call these jokes out for what they are; a liar who supports the push for a socialist state and a liar (slash) GROSSLY ignorant woman whose only asset is.. uhm, you know.


Even though I don't like Badin's (new? because he does seem to have adjusted) stances on the issues, I thought he was great at exposing the republican issues for the disasters they will inevitably be. However, after looking around at the views of others, few in this country really seem to have a grasp of what he REALLY did do so well.


Ultimately, in our superficial society, I think the woman who said just two short years ago, "God made dinosaurs 4,000 years ago as ultimately flawed creatures, lizards of Satan really, so when they died and became petroleum products we, made in his perfect image, could use them in our pickup trucks, snow machines and fishing boats" won; which is ironic considering she "won" using the very same tactics that Obama uses.. empty babbling that is spoken passionately with the word "change" occasionally thrown in.

Originally posted by undo
reply to post by SR

 

as long as it isn't about her gender or things related to her gender, like being a mom, or being in a beauty contest, i see no problem with it.
for hillary it was that she might suddenly have a bad menstrual period and nuke the planet. (and heck, they don't know if she even has a menstrual cycle anymore.) just more stereotyping, playing on people's innate tendency to be fickle and prejudice.

Well see that's thing i actually have agreed with, I've even stated in my opinion that i think Hillary is a good politician she's done alot of good work but she lost the nomination by playing a role that simply wasn't her and let people pick on her.

I honestly admire alot of the work done by women republican and democract politicians in the USA, i know i may have come across as a Palin/Mccain hater abit in this thread but i honestly admire different people in both parties and i don't even live in the USA ..

As humans no matter what gender i think we all can't help sometimes to be fickle it's just our nature i suppose.

By Palin having faults that myself identify and pick on yet having great qualities that yourself can identify with and salute shows that at least she is an interesting character and human being.

There is a strong case for her not becoming president and a strong case for her becoming president, i just guess no matter what all of us worldwide argue really it's irrelevant come voting day in the USA and then it's up to you guys to be true to yourselves and pick who serves you best.

reply to post by Fathom


Just because there are a couple countries even more pathetic than us doesnt mean the rest of the world isn't doing a lot better. Those are the 2 dumbest examples you cuold have picked sine clearly they are the poster boy for industrial waste and pollution unchecked. The united states is pretty damn wasteful, ever been through L.A. or Gary, Indiana???-owned

Lol, its amazing that even after my post covering an hour of the debate people still want to sit and say all Palin said was rhetoric.. sure she used some rhetoric as all politicians do, but please, review my previous post before making such sweeping statements.

Originally posted by justamomma

Who won tonight's debate?

If we are asking who got screwed, basically the Americans who would prefer we call these jokes out for what they are; a liar who supports the push for a socialist state and a liar (slash) GROSSLY ignorant woman whose only asset is.. uhm, you know.

See?

WTF?!

Talk about grossly ignorant. Agree or disagree with Gov. Palin, but to claim that her "only asset is.. uhm, you know..." is borderline retarded. Sorry.

Yeah - she's a looker. She's also the GOVERNOR of Alaska who enjoys around an 80% approval rating from her constituents there.

She's had great success in pushing for reforms in Alaska and has shown the aptitude for leadership.

In my book, that goes a lot further than a pretty face and a nice... well, you know. Not to mention we're in need of some serious work on our energy outlook, and she has the experience to deal with that as well.

I mean I'm a guy and that crap offends me. Show some friggin' respect.

reply to post by The Axeman



Perhaps we are just speeding up that process, and creating irreversible damage. Did we have a hole in the ozone layer during the Ice-Age?? Were carbon emissions high prior to the Ice-Age? Just sayin'

reply to post by SciDoc


Perhaps we are. I'm not saying one way or the other. All I know is Al Gore's movie put me to sleep.

I'm no expert; my point was that it is a very hotly debated topic and to keep a generalized stance on it is probably in one's political best interest.

Should we take steps to reduce our impact? Of course! Is that concession that we are the sole cause of the problem? Not so much.

If she supports the measures that are proposed, what does her personal opinion on it matter? It's a matter of policy, not personal opinion, and as far as policy goes, she's right in line with the Man-made Global Warming crowd.

Same with abortion. She said if she were in the position, she would choose life. She didn't say everyone should be compelled to believe as she does or handle the situation as she would.

I think she's smart to avoid taking a hard-line stance on these contentious kinds of issues.

Originally posted by The AxemanTalk about grossly ignorant. Agree or disagree with Gov. Palin, but to claim that her "only asset is.. uhm, you know..." is borderline retarded. Sorry.

Yeah - she's a looker. She's also the GOVERNOR of Alaska who enjoys around an 80% approval rating from her constituents there.

She's had great success in pushing for reforms in Alaska and has shown the aptitude for leadership.

In my book, that goes a lot further than a pretty face and a nice... well, you know. Not to mention we're in need of some serious work on our energy outlook, and she has the experience to deal with that as well.

I mean I'm a guy and that crap offends me. Show some friggin' respect.

No need for apologizing to me for your view. No offense taken. I am actually glad to hear that you are offended by that statement. I have been quite offended that I can't seem to talk issues with too many ppl BECAUSE of that aspect. IMO, I used to think she was a pretty woman, but then she opened her mouth. Having been subjected to many comments that normally seemingly intelligent people think her looks are good enough for them, I have become a bit snarky about it. I do apologize for offending, but have to admit, I am glad you were.


Ever been to Alaska?? I am generalizing here (making that clear in case you are the type who gets offended a bit TOO easily), citing 80% approval rating is not surprising to me in the least. The people there generally seem to be a bit out of touch with what is happening not only in this part of the country, but around the world in general as is evidenced by their governor. So, as far as I am concerned, she most likely does a good enough job for their state, but as a runner up to leadership of this country??? NOT EVEN close.

She is clueless and last night it was obvious that she was told what issues to turn to for discussion should she be confronted with one of the myriad of questions that would no doubt leave her stumped as has happened over and over again.


She is a bald face liar and although she may not be ignorant concerning the issues up there in Alaska and doing a fine job for them.. no, she is not qualified to receive pay as VP for helping to lead this country and she certainly would not be capable of assuming the role of president were something to happen to john McCain not long after being elected.

We have already been through one administration that has allowed us to be screwed over (actually far more than one).

Time for an alternative to the main two choices we are being given. I would have voted McCain until he showed his lack of wisdom in choosing her. This MAY BE a game, but it really shouldn't be.




[edit on 3-10-2008 by justamomma]

Originally posted by clearlight808
I think Palin did fairly well although she declined to "actually" answer around half of the questions.

Biden did pretty good as well.

The moderator didn't seem all that biased as was predicted.

What do you all think?

[edit on 2-10-2008 by clearlight808]

I pretty much agree, there was no venomous attacks really and both speakers were pretty even and civilised with one another.

Palin comes across on a more human-level and reaches out more, I think Biden hasn't got the common touch the same way Palin has and she knows how to use it.

Bidens formidable experience helps him though and he is very au-fait with past events and the war in the Iraq.
But Palin I think suprised him there as she's got her finger on the pulse in foreign affairs.
The supposed outcome of Palin being trounced and demolished by Biden has now been blown out of the water
So the game is on and it will be interesting in who shall be the ultimate victor...

Originally posted by justamomma
No need for apologizing to me for your view. No offense taken. I am actually glad to hear that you are offended by that statement. I have been quite offended that I can't seem to talk issues with too many ppl BECAUSE of that aspect. IMO, I used to think she was a pretty woman, but then she opened her mouth. Having been subjected to many comments that normally seemingly intelligent people think her looks are good enough for them, I have become a bit snarky about it. I do apologize for offending, but have to admit, I am glad you were.

I know, I heard some of that from co-workers the day after the RNC. "She's got my vote," they said. I'm like, "do you even have any idea what she stands for? What her positions are?"

It was a rhetorical question.

When "pretty" = "got my vote" you know we're in trouble.

Ever been to Alaska?? I am generalizing here (making that clear in case you are the type who gets offended a bit TOO easily), citing 80% approval rating is not surprising to me in the least. The people there generally seem to be a bit out of touch with what is happening not only in this part of the country, but around the world in general as is evidenced by their governor. So, as far as I am concerned, she most likely does a good enough job for their state, but as a runner up to leadership of this country??? NOT EVEN close.

Ouch. No offense taken, but then again I'm not from Alaska.

I endured the horror of seeing my state's governor elected president, stumbling and bumbling for a bit, disgracing his Office and narrowly escaping impeachment -- letting Bin Laden off the hook -- now he's stumping for the Democrats. Ain't that a peach.

She is clueless and last night it was obvious that she was told what issues to turn to for discussion should she be confronted with one of the myriad of questions that would no doubt leave her stumped as has happened over and over again.

I wouldn't say she's "clueless," but she has her strong and weak suits, like everyone, I reckon.

She is a liar... bald face liar

What did she lie about, exactly?

and she may not be ignorant concerning the issues up there in Alaska and she may be doing a fine job for them, but no.. she is not qualified to receive pay as VP and possible president for helping to lead this country.

What, to you, would constitute acceptable qualifications?

We have already been through one administration that has allowed us to be screwed over.

Yeah -- only every single one since 1913.

Time for an alternative to the main two choices we are being given.

I'm with you; Ron Paul all the way.

I would have voted McCain until he showed his lack of wisdom in choosing her.

I'm curious; Who would you have had McCain choose?

Hell, she's the only thing that would allow me to vote for McCain and keep my lunch down.

They both lost.

both are low puppets on the totem pole for the wallstreet /establishement party.

Only difference is Biden has been in big league politics long enough to know how corrupt washington/wall street are, i think Palin may be naive enough to think she can make a real difference.

The best chance the republican party has to win is a Terrorist "attack", which puts the nation in a state of shock (to go with it's economic cardiac arrest) . This would work to direct american's pain and anger outward and support a war which usually "happen" to co-incide with most difficult time's in world economy's. Should this not happen prior to election date, Obama will VERY likely win IMO, but either way there handlers (i.e advisors ) like Zigbinew Bryzenski and James Baker, Henry kissinger are the real powers behind the scenes.

But the debate is a good piece for a conversation starter and it' allows americans to fantasize that they have a choice (which makes a difference) but hey, could be worse at least Palin is pretty nice to look at *snip*

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[edit on 3-10-2008 by Jbird]

reply to post by The Axeman


Apparently you understand why I am very nervous then, considering the president in office now was the governor of my state as well. She really sounds a lot like he does, IMO. I am not sure how well studied people are on this woman, but obviously not well enough if I am being asked what she lied about.

See my sig and look into that... after that, keep searching and you will find several things she blatantly lied about. HOWEVER.... so as not to risk sounding naive, I understand that this is a character flaw not exclusive to her, but unfortunately a character flaw that seems to be a normal character trait for being a politician and something that voters willingly turn a blind eye to.

Difference between me and most other people is not that I am naive.. just idealistic in that I do not condone lying merely for the sake of saving face and being elected. I somewhat understand lying for the greater good, but when someone lies to spice themselves up in the voters eyes, red flags go up in my head. If they can support something and then lie about supporting it, then they are most likely just doing whatever they can to get into office and will disregard any promises made while campaigning.

And to answer your question about who I wish McCain would have picked.. hehe.. easy.. RON PAUL!!

Really in the end, I most likely would not have appreciated any choice. I am actually no more livid with her blind supporters than I am of those who blindly support Obama.

Again, concerning the topic, I would have to say that IMO, I thought Biden did well to expose the flaws regarding some of the republican platform. I think she didn't quite succeed in doing the same to the democratic platform. It was supposed to be a debate, not a pep talk.


[edit on 3-10-2008 by justamomma]

Originally posted by cpdaman
Only difference is Biden has been in big league politics long enough to know how corrupt washington/wall street are, i think Palin may be naive enough to think she can make a real difference.

I think you should be giving Biden a healthy amount of respect for the fact that he stood up to bush and rained on him for his corruption.

Originally posted by justamomma
I am not sure how well studied people are on this woman, but obviously not well enough if I am being asked what she lied about.

Let me help you out here!

Sarah Palin's 18 lies tonight

Lies, misleading, misspoke, I'll leave that to whoever wishes to read them to decide.

Originally posted by skeptic1
Biden won on substance (even though there are questions about some of his statements).

Palin won on style.

It'll be up to the voters to decide which is more important.

[edit on 10/2/2008 by skeptic1]

the way I see it, that is exactly the problem, that that is what people are deciding on. for those of you still undecided, let me help you....... .SUBSTANCE IS MORE IMPORTANT!!!!!
HELP!

reply to post by Keyhole


I think Ill call them lies keyhole... If the rightwingers prefer to label them as "mispeaking", well thats there choice...