Even though I see your point.. you are not comparing apples to apples.

Originally posted by hikix
Even though I see your point.. you are not comparing apples to apples.

Well, that's uhm, insightful?

Thanks for your opinion I guess, but the fact remains that we see so many truthers claiming this is impossible when we have numerous accounts of this not being the case. The story above just happens to continue to prove that point.

Originally posted by Soloist

So, to the people who keep repeating it's impossible, you can stop now.

Think that'll stop them? A stark example of reality? I applaud your optimistic altruism, in any event!

I think the two arguments that were made are 1) the fireball and debris fall that enveloped the wreckage was significant. The likelihhod that such a document would survive is small; and 2) what are the odds that of all the paperwork in the buildings and the plane that it would just happen to be the passport of a terrorist that they find.

But in any case, comparing the impact and wreckage of the 9/11 crashes and that of Fosset's light plane are like comparing apples and aardvarks. There was no evidence of fire in the Fosset crash and his Bellanca Decathlon would carry only 40gal of avgas when full compared to the nearly 12,000gal of the plane that hit the towers.

You claim to have numerous accounts of documents surviving plane crashes, but you are just talking about the Fossett crash. Truth be told, you dont even know the logistics of the Fosset crash so its a poor comparison. fail....please try again

Originally posted by Jeff Riff
You claim to have numerous accounts of documents surviving plane crashes, but you are just talking about the Fossett crash. Truth be told, you dont even know the logistics of the Fosset crash so its a poor comparison. fail....please try again

Yes, there are numerous ones where documents survived, this is another to add to that list. Truthers say it's impossible all the time, but stories like this easily disprove them.

Originally posted by N. Tesla
the plane turned into a #ing fireball. ever heard of Fahrenheit 451? the temperature that paper ignites? im sure that a fireball will ignite paper. your ignorance astounds me

Wow! Nice language!

Nice Ray Bradbury reference too, bet you thought I might be too "ignorant" to get that, eh?

You're "sure" it will ignite the paper, yet it didn't and there is no proof that it did, obviously since it survived. Hmm, who's the ignorant one again?

yes the language was unnecessary. . . this time. but the fact of the matter is that there is too much unknowns about 9/11. who are you to say that the passport wasn't planted? all i know is that if a plane becomes a fireball so does everyone and everything in it. a fireball with 12 000 pounds or liters or w.e of fuel. a fire ball with all that fuel + burning building= 1 passport of hijacker. i doubt it.


and 451 degrees Fahrenheit is the accepted value of the temperature needed to ignite paper. Bradbury did his research.

Just in! Suicide pilot throws passport out cockpit window.

Just before plane crashes into WTC.

Just a question. Where would the hyjacker put his passport?

In his jacket pocket or his pants pocket?

Originally posted by N. Tesla
who are you to say that the passport wasn't planted?

Well since there is no evidence or witnesses to ANYTHING being planted at all, I would ask where's the proof since you doubt that?

And if it were an "inside job" (lol) why would they plant a passport that according to truthers couldn't have possibly survived?

I mean to go through all the details of , how do truthers say it - "defying Newton's Laws", killing all the passengers, making the buildings come down in a new fangled way, producing holograms (for those that still hang on to that one LOL), coordinating everything with the media, and so much more...

"But dang, we'll just chuck this passport out in the street, even though it couldn't happen, noone will notice, right?"

I guess they didn't take in account all of the internet sleuths out there,eh?

Originally posted by Soloist

Originally posted by N. Tesla
who are you to say that the passport wasn't planted?

Well since there is no evidence or witnesses to ANYTHING being planted at all, I would ask where's the proof since you doubt that?

And if it were an "inside job" (lol) why would they plant a passport that according to truthers couldn't have possibly survived?

I mean to go through all the details of , how do truthers say it - "defying Newton's Laws", killing all the passengers, making the buildings come down in a new fangled way, producing holograms (for those that still hang on to that one LOL), coordinating everything with the media, and so much more...

"But dang, we'll just chuck this passport out in the street, even though it couldn't happen, noone will notice, right?"

I guess they didn't take in account all of the internet sleuths out there,eh?

Who says that they found a passport on the street? The same people that are already being pinned as liars in that conspiracy scenario right? Did you see someone actually find and pick up a passport? I do not understand why you would think there would have to physically be one on the sidewalk for them to say there was. The president said he saw the first plane fly into the building and that did not happen so who knows.

Originally posted by MorningStar8741

Who says that they found a passport on the street?

Truthers say this one ALL THE TIME. It would appear you haven't been here for very long so I'm sure you haven't seen this one repeated over and over.

I do not understand why you would think there would have to physically be one on the sidewalk for them to say there was.

It doesn't matter what I think, this is what gets repeated over and again. Stick around awhile and you'll see what I mean.

The president said he saw the first plane fly into the building and that did not happen so who knows.

But of course he couldn't have possibly misspoke or simply mistaken? This president? Nah,surely not!

Apart from the passport, what other documentation is known to have survived? I recall that a 'terrorist headband' also made it through apparently unscathed. It would be a bit of a coincidence if the only matter that was not destroyed was also evidence of terrorist involvement.

But I realise that only these items would have been of interest enough to have received the attention, hence my query.

Thanks, that does seem pretty solid without trying to pin involvement on the farm workers who witnessed the debris cloud. I suppose you could also hypothesise that a plane with this debris on board flew over and jettisoned it, but without real foundation.

Was any similar evidence found within proximity of the impact site?