ATS and Robbie Williams UFO Investigation: Round Two of Gilliand Videos, page 3
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reply posted on 2-10-2008 @ 04:00 PM by Zepherian
Ok, here's my armchair analysis:

First video:

The first two objects to me look like birds flying by. It just fits with the sort of visual pattern I'm used to seeing in a bird flying by. Same almost straight but not quite flight paths and there's even a little hint of flicker that seems to me like the frequency of birds flapping their wings. Do note that diferent species flap their wings at different speeds, so a smaller bird will tend to register a higher flicker. Add infrared and out of focus and I don't think you even need another explanation if you're thinking probabilistically.
The 10 000th of a second frame freeze to me dosen't really prove or even indicate anything, for one thing the faint line like artifact is off the original trajectory of the supposed UFO, and for another it's a digital image and looks like a compression artifact rather than an actual capture. One for a few unbiased professionals to look over, but I wouldn't expect much.
One of the objects looks clearly like an insect, as it seems closer and has an irregular flight path which mirrors more the behaviour of insects than birds. Again, infrared and out of focus.
So the first video for me is pretty much uninspiring.

Video 2:

Again, why not simply film birds and insects going by? Would it provide too plausible an explanation and too quick a solution?
At around 6:20 there is an object overflying Johnny. Probably another bird or insect, but I thought I'd point it out.
The whole seed experiment kind of proved my point about infrared and out of focus, the only diference is there was no flicker in the object... which I atribute to it not having flapping wings.

Video 3:

Somewhat interesting, but it could just be some sort of electric or magnetic field effect on the speakers and/or microphones.
I have had a sound out of nowhere experience once in my life, and it was far louder and wierder than anything captured on tape. This was in the english midlands in the early 80s. Even scared the dog I was walking into running back home, something he had never done before or ever did since. The closest sound I've heard to it was the supposed beamship recordings of the Billy Meier case, which makes me wonder about him, although I do tend to be skeptical.

The pyramid symbolism in the video was cheeky.

If I were to be brutally honest I would have to say that the impression I get from the whole experience is that all this was "mystery baiting". The only thing which really perked my atention was the whole lights in the sky episode, which I liked and mirrored some of my own experiences.

So in conclusion: At the present time I think people should focus on the bank bailout scandals and the powergrabs, which are much more threatening and urgent issues, and leave the whole Gilliland thing on the back burner.

Just a personal opinion. Please don't shoot me with an Infrared camera

[edit on 2-10-2008 by Zepherian]


reply posted on 2-10-2008 @ 04:39 PM by Europa733
Hi everyone,

Starred and flagged the s-ucker.

Juste a couple of nighttime vidéos of insects made with a video capture software and a tri-cdd cam :

s263.photobucket.com...

s263.photobucket.com...

and a weird one (I'll open a thread about the weird and very weird ones soon) :

s263.photobucket.com...

Relying on known reference points to make further approximate estimations (min & max range & size, speed...) is most probably the only way to try to gather data out of these videos. That is unless you perfectly identified what you filmed or unless you kept track of it using an advanced laser rangefinder (speed & distance & digital compass).

If you can demonstrate that these "objects" went behind the mountain or a tree far out in the FOV, then I guess you can rule the insect hypothesis out and that would be the first thing I would try to do & make sure of.

Just my POV. Thanks again guys for all the videos, that's very cool.


Cheers,
Europa aka Buck


reply posted on 2-10-2008 @ 04:48 PM by JohnnyAnonymous
I'd just like to add to this discussion about birds/bugs, that in the original thread located here:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

We did tape some bugs and birds all in infrared and we presented a few of them. The great thing about those videos are that they all are aimed at the same two trees as what your observing here in the latest presentation.

Please also keep in mind that what you folks are watching is the compressed flash video and so there will be quite a bit of pixelization compared to what the original video looks like. We attempted to make it with as great a quality as possible, but it's a trade-off of size versus quality.

[edit on 10/2/2008 by JohnnyAnonymous]


reply posted on 2-10-2008 @ 04:50 PM by -moonlight-
reply to post by Europa733




To me they don't seem really insectes. Have you done you these tapes?



reply posted on 2-10-2008 @ 05:01 PM by ZeroGhost
Yea, Great guys! All very interesting. VERY.

The sound stuff is a mystery unto itself. Johnny put the files to my field production system (not a wimpy laptop) at the BAUFOE and the one file crashed my system. Almost like it had some strange sub audio effect on the system. Johnny said it happened to others too. I should have asked for a dupe to test on my editing system at my studio.

In any case, this would be very interesting to see on a spectrum analyzer and some better sound analysis equipment.

There is a component of the sound that is interesting and familiar so I hunted it down and linked it. Oh yea. I's from the the ECTI Gilliand Ranch!

UFO Sound from Video May 98 Portland OR.

Can we strip out the sound from the ATS video to test? I really want to do some comparative with samples I have.

The video material too is very compelling. Only a small bundle of my anemic neurons thought these could be insects. 200ft wide semi-transparent insects whizzing around at speeds approaching if not surpassing military fighter jets, and changing directions amounting to several fatal G's likely would be noticed by others in the area.

Thanks guys. Meat for the info hungry investigators. You might sponsor a formal Mufon report. Maccabee IS Mufon you know.

ZG

Oh god! My points just reached an evil harmonic of 6606! I need to post something to escape the evil numbers!!!

[edit on 10/2/2008 by ZeroGhost]


reply posted on 2-10-2008 @ 05:07 PM by Europa733
Originally posted by -moonlight-
reply to
post by Europa733



To me they don't seem really insectes. Have you done you these tapes?


Hi there,

No, these videos are not from my optical system.

To Johnny :

Hi there,

Could you post a few high definition still images (frames) of the "objects" when at the closest from the video camera and a few ones when you think they are behind the threes or the mountain ?

Thanks,
Europa





[edit on 2-10-2008 by Europa733]


reply posted on 2-10-2008 @ 05:50 PM by anyone
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The same sound is heard near the pyramid which as I understand is nowhere near the RV's unlike the other camera. Am I right?

As for finding an entomologist I think that would be a good idea as well.

-side note: LordThumbs theory about the Dorothy Izatt account possibly being similar makes sense to me. In EVP work there are many accounts of sounds not being heard at the time and upon playing a recording back they hear it. Dorothy said she heard the buzz that her family couldn't.


reply posted on 2-10-2008 @ 05:55 PM by LordThumbs
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*sigh* thank you for that.

johnny sent me an ats mix of her once and i figured since they may possibly have her in the loop it would be worth sending to her,

since not even industrial light and magic can debunk her experience.
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