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Vice Presidential Debate- Palin vs. Biden: The Thread

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posted on Oct, 2 2008 @ 10:59 PM
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They all dodge questions; I think that is a prerequisite for running for any public office.

And, if they don't dodge them, they answer "around" them.

Here's the transcript of the whole debate if anyone wants it...Transcript


[edit on 10/2/2008 by skeptic1]




posted on Oct, 2 2008 @ 11:00 PM
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im finding the transcript of what he said, when i find it, ill post it



posted on Oct, 2 2008 @ 11:00 PM
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He was makiing a point about single parents, and thats when the comment came in, it wasn't like he was trying to score political points.



posted on Oct, 2 2008 @ 11:00 PM
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I don't think he mentioned the details. I also feel that it was a genuine reaction to a painful memory.



posted on Oct, 2 2008 @ 11:01 PM
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Here is word for word what biden said





Look, I understand what it's like to be a single parent. When my wife and daughter died and my two sons were gravely injured, I understand what it's like as a parent to wonder what it's like if your kid's going to make it. I understand what it's like to sit around the kitchen table with a father who says, "I've got to leave, champ, because there's no jobs here. I got to head down to Wilmington. And when we get enough money, honey, we'll bring you down."



posted on Oct, 2 2008 @ 11:03 PM
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The thing about the debate that was disappointing was that *both sides* were too busy finger pointing to focus on the issues.

Biden showed more depth in his answers, but that was to be expected since he has been in the Senate for over 30years and has that historical perspective.

But historical perspective does not equate to good judgment.

Sarah Palin is a very quick study and brings a record of energy expertise and reform to the table, things that Biden does not possess.

The things Palin does not know, she will quickly learn. I have faith that she can and will do so.



posted on Oct, 2 2008 @ 11:05 PM
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The debate is being replayed on CNN. Also I stand corrected about his mentioning of his family, but I still feel it was a genuine reaction.



posted on Oct, 2 2008 @ 11:05 PM
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Having faith in someone, just because they seem like a nice person is exactly what got us into this mess.



posted on Oct, 2 2008 @ 11:06 PM
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Originally posted by bknapple32
Here is word for word what biden said



Look, I understand what it's like to be a single parent. When my wife and daughter died and my two sons were gravely injured, I understand what it's like as a parent to wonder what it's like if your kid's going to make it. I understand what it's like to sit around the kitchen table with a father who says, "I've got to leave, champ, because there's no jobs here. I got to head down to Wilmington. And when we get enough money, honey, we'll bring you down."


Yeah, he was pretty blatant about it. Perhaps I am just a bit too sentimental, but there are some things that one does NOT bring up (and apparently HE brought it up) for discussion among the masses.

The death of very close loved ones is one of those things. Bring it up in a public forum and some will mock it. He is smart, he knows that. I do not believe for one moment it was a spur of the moment comment.

People have boundaries, there are some things that are not discussed except among close individuals. Apparently for Biden that incident was not one of those things.

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posted on Oct, 2 2008 @ 11:06 PM
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Sarah Palin came off as genuine and had good eye contact.

Her speaking was clear, and she addressed the issues well.

I liked her "Drill, Baby, Drill" and "Say it ain't so, Joe" remarks!

VP Candidate Palin has been made out by the media to be an idiot.

Candidate Palin must be one quick study to have learned so much

between yesterday and today.

Due to the recent media bashing, her ratings will improve.

See “Analysis: Stakes high, Palin tops expectations” at Yahoo News

Joe Biden debated well, and is clearly knowledgeable on foreign policy

issues. He did devote a disproportionate amount of time to attacking the

Bush administration, and trying to weld McCain to Bush philosophically.

He made a good point on the disproportionate amount of money we have

spent in Iraq compared to Afghanistan.

Sarah Palin certainly exceeded expectations, and deserves credit for

being a quick study.



posted on Oct, 2 2008 @ 11:07 PM
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And many many people place their vote based on that same reason.

I agree it should be because of the issues but reality is that most people vote for who they like.



posted on Oct, 2 2008 @ 11:07 PM
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Originally posted by JaxonRoberts
The debate is being replayed on CNN.


Also being replayed on CSPAN, and will be, several times overnight.



posted on Oct, 2 2008 @ 11:15 PM
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Originally posted by Grafilthy
reply to post by jsobecky
 

Having faith in someone, just because they seem like a nice person is exactly what got us into this mess.



I'm not sure what you mean. Maybe this has been your experience, but it hasn't been mine.

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Originally posted by jam321


And many many people place their vote based on that same reason.

I agree it should be because of the issues but reality is that most people vote for who they like.


Having faith in someone has very little to do with whether you "like somebody". But the two often co-incide.

Having faith in someone is based upon many things, including past performance and whether they stick with their stated principles.

I have faith in Sarah Palin to stick with her stated principles.

[edit on 2-10-2008 by jsobecky]



posted on Oct, 2 2008 @ 11:18 PM
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Sorry I opened a thread that was not needed. Was flattered to get applause for it though, anyway I'll re-post what I wrote in that thread here...

[edit on 2-10-2008 by rapinbatsisaltherage]



posted on Oct, 2 2008 @ 11:18 PM
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First I’ll go over my opinion of Palin’s performance and the points she debated:

I think Palin did well at pandering to her base and those who might be unsure of her like Jewish voters (who are likely to trust a ticket involving Biden). She mentioned personal responsibility while also showing compassion for Americans who are in need of assistance, and she put the two together- showing that the two ideas don’t have to conflict.

I couldn’t tell if her comments about the not sane and not stable foreign leaders were good or bad honestly. Her base will agree probably, however slowly but surely Independents like me seem to be anxious about how often the Republicans allude to wanting war with Iran and I think many would agree invading Iran would be far more dangerous and thoughtless than sitting down with Iranian leaders with out preconditions.

I think the strongest point Palin made was when she went after both Biden and Obama, pointing out that though they claim to be the change ticket they keep bringing up the past, bringing up Bush or the Bush administration any chance they get and criticizing McCain on a war they opposed yet voted for.

As for what Sarah Palin was weak on addressing I think the problem lied in some of her robotic, gimmicky statements that seemed utterly scripted, so much so that she wasn’t willing to adjust to the way the moderator wished her to address the questioning. I thought her “I’ve only been at this for five weeks” comment sounded like an excuse to not address a question Biden answered with ease.

When it came to Global Warming Biden swiftly pointed out how her statement was flawed and she seemed to have trouble countering him, it was like this supposed energy pro was trying to please conservatives while being strong on energy, which made her position seem slightly crippled by partisanship.

Then she allowed Biden to tie her to Bush as well as McCain when she stated the same old tired logic that Iraq is the central most important area to tackle in relation to terrorism, despite the fact that terrorist organizations have been on the rise and are more powerful now than ever since we invaded Iraq.

Then she kept brining up a funding bill for the troops that Obama opposed while trying to ignore when Biden hit her back, pointing out more than once that McCain voted against the same bill. Since McCain is now well known in many veterans groups for not even bothering to vote for the GI Bill I think this line of questioning continued to hurt him and the ticket Palin shares with him, it seemed like she just couldn’t dig herself out of that trench so she decided to keep repeating the same statement.

In conclusion I think the worst part of the debate for Palin was when she expressed a desire to expand Vice Presidential power while Biden denounced the enormously unpopular Cheney.

Secondly I’ll go over my opinion of Biden’s performance and the points he debated:

The apparent great moments in the debate for Biden were when he got to mention fighting against the violence that still plagues many women in the US today and his efforts in Bosnia. I think he fell flat when he mentioned “fairness” when it comes to cutting tax cuts, however when he went in depth and explained his meaning I think he did well, but many will only view the “fairness” sound bite and I don’t know how they will interpret it. I also think he appealed to Independents well, arguing against divisive tactics to distinguish the civil rights of gay couples.

The strongest parts of the debate where when Biden pointed out that McCain has yet to tell the American people how his policies differ from the Bush Administration’s failed policies. I think he appealed to Middle America as well when he kept bringing up McCain’s proposition to deregulate health care, something Palin had trouble countering or addressing; it was the only time Biden seemed to really make her squirm. It is a topic even McCain has trouble addressing.

The best sound bites that will come out of this debate for Biden will be the “ultimate bridge to nowhere” comment. The best sound bite I think in relation to foreign policy will involve one of the statements he made about Pakistan however I fear the American people will not comprehended it as easily as Palin’s stance, I was watching this debate with someone who didn’t even know that Pakistan has nuclear weapons.
The worst moments of the debate for Biden were when Palin kept bringing up his own words, especially the strong statements he made about Obama not being ready to lead before he became Obama’s running mate. At the same time he was reluctant to attack Palin on her record or own statements, instead deciding to attack John McCain, which I think was a mistake. She would hit him hard and then not only would he have trouble defending himself he was also hesitant to hit her back. I also think if you aren’t as into politics as I am many “Average Joes” would find Biden boring and less fiery than Palin.

I thought they were both strong when they addressed Middle America and I liked how they both made clear how their tickets fundamentally differed. I however have trouble seeing how an undecided voter would feel like this debate made their mind up. So far I think both debates were virtually a tie, I agree with Biden on more issues however Palin did not lose the debate and she seemed quite competent.



posted on Oct, 2 2008 @ 11:19 PM
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Biden did really, I'll give him that, but of course he's been on my payroll for many years.
Maybe he should be the Presidential candidate.

Palin's comeback was great but I don't think she'll make a big difference for McCain.
History is repeating itself, and I still think Obama will be our next Carter, only this time I know who the next Reagan will be.



posted on Oct, 2 2008 @ 11:19 PM
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My thoughts are that Biden displayed better than Palin as expected. Palin has some vim and vinegar and might be a decent politician in the future but to my eyes and ears she is simply not ready yet. I do like that she lets you know where she stands and stood up for tolerance as she did.

I do not like her refrence to people on the East coast as if we suck just because we live here. Pardon me but that is elitist.



posted on Oct, 2 2008 @ 11:20 PM
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There was only one point in the discussion really worth noting:

When asked what the Vice President would do, Palin answered and said that she would use the powers that the constitution would give her, to control congress and ensure that her and McCain's policies would be enabled.

And if that doesn't scare you, you haven't been paying attention.

One of the biggest outrages of the last eight years has been the Executive power grab that's been going on. A part of that is Dick Cheney's push to enpower the VP's position as well, going so far as to claim that really, the VP is more a part of congress than not, and because so, that gives him special powers.

What we have is a travesty against the constitution; ignoring and denying the basic principles of the government, trying to destroy the very necessary institution of checks and balances.

We don't need another administration that thinks that the president and vice president are 'exempt' from oversight and 'outside' of the law.



posted on Oct, 2 2008 @ 11:21 PM
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I have faith in Sarah Palin to stick with her stated principles.


One should always have faith in what one believes.

Like I said...she;s backkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk..


Expect more negative stuff about her to come out but she has shown me that she can weather any storm.



posted on Oct, 2 2008 @ 11:23 PM
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What Biden showed were answers to the questions that were asked. Sarah dithered. Her replies were often incomprehensible and tortuous.
Her energy expertise is questionable as she had no idea how much of the energy of the US was provided by her state. That doesn't require any technical skill, just memorizing and understanding a few numbers. She didn't have it.
Sarah should go back to Alaska and run for Senator or Congressman. In a term or two, with much study and experience, she might be ready for higher office....unless troopergate gets her, first. Palin-Agnew....has a nice ring to it.



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