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Holocaust Denier Arrested

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posted on Oct, 2 2008 @ 03:08 PM
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Originally posted by RealitySetsIn
i think its great. anyone who denys the atrocities that happened during the holocaust should be put to death. more than 6 million jews died. 6 MILLION.

how can you be so inhumane to deny 6 milliion deaths? if you are really that much of an animal, you aren't worth being alive.

(not you the poster I'm replying to, I mean you as in anyone)



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Really, that makes you no better than the Nazis. Why should people not be allowed to question what is written. If we were to take your stance on things, the earth would be flat, with the universe revolving around it. We would be stuck in the dark ages. You can't learn anything if you don't ask questions. Hell what if through asking questions, we find out that we only know about the tip of the iceberg and that there was actually 15-20 million killed.

Why is there no laws against talking about the 20 million plus Ukrainians and other groups that Stalin killed over a longer period? You would think that they would want to stifle that, since it is a bigger number.




posted on Oct, 2 2008 @ 03:13 PM
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Originally posted by RealitySetsIn
i think its great. anyone who denys the atrocities that happened during the holocaust should be put to death. more than 6 million jews died. 6 MILLION.


Yes, lets just round everyone up who is different from us, place them in say...a holding camp, and then systematically kill them off one by one.

Great idea.


/sarcasm



posted on Oct, 2 2008 @ 03:26 PM
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Because when you deny the holocaust you are HURTING people.

My grandmother was a holocaust survivor, she was sent to aushwitz in 1944 and came close to being GASSED by the nazis but was liberated just in time in 1945.

do you know how much it HURTS me when you tell me that this didnt happen!

if my grandmother was gassed, i never would be alive!!!

if you want to talk about numbers, sure there are other genocides that happened that no one talks about, and for good reason because it wasnt NAZIS killing people. NAZIS were evil and HATED jews.


the soviets killed 15 million kulak farmers, 8 million ukrainian farmers, 12 million political prisoners over 1912-1944. WHO CARES. The soviets were NOT nazis, in fact Joe Stalin, Karl Marx, and Leon Trotsky were Jewish. They were NOT nazis and were NOT evil so its OK.

what about the pol pot communist slaughter in cambodia. 2.5 million were killed. WHO CARES. It was third worlders killing third worlders, stuff like that happens all the time. Its not like this was a first-world country like how Germany was back then in the 1930-1940's.

or the armenian massacre, where turks killed 1.2 million armenians. again, they were NOT nazis in fact the turks HATED nazis. as long as they are not nazis its ok. it was WAR and in WAR people die.


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posted on Oct, 2 2008 @ 03:36 PM
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Originally posted by RealitySetsIn

the soviets killed 15 million kulak farmers, 8 million ukrainian farmers, 12 million political prisoners over 1912-1944. WHO CARES. The soviets were NOT nazis, in fact Joe Stalin, Karl Marx, and Leon Trotsky were Jewish. They were NOT nazis and were NOT evil so its OK.

what about the pol pot communist slaughter in cambodia. 2.5 million were killed. WHO CARES. It was third worlders killing third worlders, stuff like that happens all the time. Its not like this was a first-world country like how Germany was back then in the 1930-1940's.

or the armenian massacre, where turks killed 1.2 million armenians. again, they were NOT nazis in fact the turks HATED nazis. as long as they are not nazis its ok. it was WAR and in WAR people die.


Wow I mean just ....wow. So if your Jews and wipe out millions its ok because they are not evil? I mean really? Wait wait wait.... really?

If you want to be mad at someone killing all the Jews Hitler and the Nazis are a prime target for they carried out the action. Let me ask you a question what about the people the funded Hitler so he COULD massacre the Jews the way he did. Why are they not evil or put to death?



posted on Oct, 2 2008 @ 03:48 PM
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Originally posted by mybigunit

Originally posted by RealitySetsIn

the soviets killed 15 million kulak farmers, 8 million ukrainian farmers, 12 million political prisoners over 1912-1944. WHO CARES. The soviets were NOT nazis, in fact Joe Stalin, Karl Marx, and Leon Trotsky were Jewish. They were NOT nazis and were NOT evil so its OK.

what about the pol pot communist slaughter in cambodia. 2.5 million were killed. WHO CARES. It was third worlders killing third worlders, stuff like that happens all the time. Its not like this was a first-world country like how Germany was back then in the 1930-1940's.

or the armenian massacre, where turks killed 1.2 million armenians. again, they were NOT nazis in fact the turks HATED nazis. as long as they are not nazis its ok. it was WAR and in WAR people die.


Wow I mean just ....wow. So if your Jews and wipe out millions its ok because they are not evil? I mean really? Wait wait wait.... really?

If you want to be mad at someone killing all the Jews Hitler and the Nazis are a prime target for they carried out the action. Let me ask you a question what about the people the funded Hitler so he COULD massacre the Jews the way he did. Why are they not evil or put to death?


well no.

by the talmud we are given authority to kill all goyim (non-jews) and god will praise us, for the talmud says that non-jews are the lowest form of scum on the earth and less than cattle.

its wrong to kill jews though, this is why the nazis were evil. we are gods chosen people and do you know how evil it makes you to kill gods chosen people? seriously, the nazis are burning in the 6th layer of hell right now.

edit to add; as far as who funded hitler i dont know but they should be put to death too (well they cant since they probably are dead of old age by now anyway).

but their descendents, if we can find them should be put to death for they cannot carry on the genes and ancestry of their evil nazi ancestors.

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posted on Oct, 2 2008 @ 03:58 PM
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posted on Oct, 2 2008 @ 04:07 PM
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I guess you missed the part where I said that i had relatives go the c-camps too.

Guess what...? I also have relatives that died because of Stalin. and it hurts ME, for you to dismiss that out of hand. Why should I have any sympathy for you or your family, if you are not willing to return that?

Genocide, is genocide. It does not matter who committed them on whom. You want to talk about first world countries committing genocide, I will point you to Israel and the fact they have been killing Palestinians for 60 years.

You are a prime example of why there are these stupid laws in place to begin with. Your people are no more chosen than anyone else's. You do not have special privileges.

Using your logic, it was war, the Jews died because it was war, c'est la vie. It is a stupid notion, yet one that you seem ok with.


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posted on Oct, 2 2008 @ 04:24 PM
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Question1: That hardly proves the Holocaust didnt occur-Jewish settlement of israel is'nt only a result of the Holocaust-every bible in every church attest that this land belongs to the Jews.
Question 3: Jews go on about the holocaust-and it happens that some of them are very succesful in publishing and media. If Gypsies or Ukranians outright created the Movie Industry and owned a shedload of newspapers and publishing houses no doubt we would here more of their holocaust.
Remember it is the right of jews to go on about the holocaust as much as they like and no specific laws existed in the US banning jews from starting movie companies, creating hollywood, owning newspapers and publishing houses.

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posted on Oct, 2 2008 @ 04:27 PM
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Correction, every Bible in every church says it is "the Land of the Israelites". Meaning this is where they came from. It does not imply ownership in perpetuity at all.



posted on Oct, 2 2008 @ 04:29 PM
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Why is it that every Nazi sympathiser had non-Jewish relatives that died in the camps? and why then are they Nazi sympathisers??
I doubt it would be wise to go to the Ukraine and start denying their massacre-funnily I don't think you will be doing that.
Funny how these terrifying powerful Jews dont stop you from speaking your mind.


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posted on Oct, 2 2008 @ 04:32 PM
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Originally posted by Rook1545
Correction, every Bible in every church says it is "the Land of the Israelites". Meaning this is where they came from. It does not imply ownership in perpetuity at all.


I think you will find that it does outright state ownership for perpetuity. Gods pretty emphatic about the fact that 'Jews' own the land of Israel-there is'nt much implied about it-its outirght stated.
Jews still only refer to themselves as Israelites in the liturgy. They have every reason to do so, according to all genuine historical theories and all DNA testing.



posted on Oct, 2 2008 @ 04:36 PM
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Originally posted by Rinorino2

Originally posted by Rook1545
Correction, every Bible in every church says it is "the Land of the Israelites". Meaning this is where they came from. It does not imply ownership in perpetuity at all.


I think you will find that it does outright state ownership for perpetuity. Gods pretty emphatic about the fact that 'Jews' own the land of Israel-there is'nt much implied about it-its outirght stated.
Jews still only refer to themselves as Israelites in the liturgy. They have every reason to do so, according to all genuine historical theories and all DNA testing.


In fact denying the fact that Jews are israelites is probably more absurd than Holocaust denial, it rests on an obscure fairytale that was regarded as such and is self-evidently false and without proof, until a few Jews pushed the idea for political reasons.



posted on Oct, 2 2008 @ 04:44 PM
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Originally posted by Rinorino2

Why is it that every Nazi sympathiser had non-Jewish relatives that died in the camps? and why then are they Nazi sympathisers??
I doubt it would be wise to go to the Ukraine and start denying their massacre-funnily I don't think you will be doing that.
Funny how these terrifying powerful Jews dont stop you from speaking your mind.


Where do you get that I am a nazi sympathizer? I am not. Why would I defend people that killed my family? That would be stupid. I am wondering why people don't agree with all of the evidence are automatically sympathizers? It is exactly what the OP brought up. Just because you might feel that there is some "wiggle" room in the numbers, does not mean that you are completely denying what happened.

I never said going to the Ukraine and soapbox preaching would be wise, but it also isn't illegal is it?

I never called them "terrifying powerful Jews". I haven't blamed the Jews for these laws at all. Unless you were talking to another poster.



posted on Oct, 2 2008 @ 04:50 PM
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Originally posted by Rinorino2
I think you will find that it does outright state ownership for perpetuity. Gods pretty emphatic about the fact that 'Jews' own the land of Israel-there is'nt much implied about it-its outirght stated.
Jews still only refer to themselves as Israelites in the liturgy. They have every reason to do so, according to all genuine historical theories and all DNA testing.


The thing about it is, that is a book. A book that not everyone subscribes to, so really it has zero relevance. I don't care at all if you believe it. Just because it is in a book full of fairy tales does not make it real. Or should we start consulting the Brothers Grimm for World politics?

You want to do DNA testing well the Palestinians have equal right to that land as well, since they are also Israelites. Or does that not count because they are not Jews?



In fact denying the fact that Jews are israelites is probably more absurd than Holocaust denial, it rests on an obscure fairytale that was regarded as such and is self-evidently false and without proof, until a few Jews pushed the idea for political reasons.


I never said they weren't, but I also don't subscribe to the theory that ONLY the Jews are Israelites. You can be an Israelite without being a Jew, see above.



posted on Oct, 2 2008 @ 05:10 PM
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Let's just say the Ukraine did make it a crime (I suspect it already might be in practice- I will look it up) would all 'you people' stop going on about Holocaust denial laws?
In fact I doubt you would have the slightest problem with the Ukraine making it crime-only when Jews do it.
Thats what anti-semitism is all about, when a European dresses fancy they are a 'dandy, a jew: showy and obnoxious.
When a jew makes money they greedy, dishonest and the rest-a gentile: frugal, hard working self-sacrificing.
A jew molests a kid-they are a monster. A gentile (as happens a heck of alot)-teaching their children the principles of brotherly love from a practical perspective.

[edit on 2-10-2008 by Rinorino2]



posted on Oct, 2 2008 @ 05:16 PM
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No doubt in time you will blame the Jews for the current financial mess-not the squillions of non-jews that wanted to keep up with the Joneses and look rich without have stuff-all in real savings or asset wealth.

[edit on 2-10-2008 by Rinorino2]



posted on Oct, 2 2008 @ 05:19 PM
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Originally posted by RealitySetsIn



by the talmud we are given authority to kill all goyim (non-jews) and god will praise us, for the talmud says that non-jews are the lowest form of scum on the earth and less than cattle.

its wrong to kill jews though, this is why the nazis were evil. we are gods chosen people and do you know how evil it makes you to kill gods chosen people? seriously, the nazis are burning in the 6th layer of hell right now.



I never take part in threads like this as a rule,but WTF! The only racism I see here is not only use of the word GOYIM which I personally find more offensive than you could ever realise...and the fact you basically use it to condone murder of any non jew and this surely means that you've broken the terms and conditions of ATS? I'd like you to retract and apologise for your use of a word I find offensive.

So NAZI's were only evil becaue they killed jews? What about everyone else in ww2..were they just cannon fodder in your oppinion and not worth thinking about and hence that didn't make the nazi's evil as they were not jewish?

You really belive that 'gods chosen people' cr*p??? I know on a psychological level everyone likes to have a reason to think they are 'special' but do you not think its going a bit too far? HAs anyhone contacst teh almighty aand asked his point of view on this for MSNBC ?

Never quote any religious text as justification. Laws, yes, but do not give me this 'I am jewish and can do as I wish' as I'm sure many jews find this just as offensive as I do. If I behaved in such a fashion towards you, I'm sure you wouldn't take too long to complain very vocally indeed.

In fact I can't make up my mind if you really belive that any non jew is allowed to be killed because 'the tamud said so', or if you are a troll simply looking for a reaction.

I've been friends with 2 brothers who are jewish for over 27 years and as well as we know each other (almost like brothers) they would never dare to insult anyone by using a word such as goyim. Being hurt does not give you the excuse to hurt others...

So whats to stop any other religion saying things about any other group of people (as jews are not a race as their DNA is identical to the arabs...interesting fact that one and one rarely brought up.) So if a muslim comes on ATS and says that HIS religion says its ok to kill every non muslim on the planet that would be equally as ok would it? of Hindu's..or buddists..or 7th day adventists? Before you know it everyone would be stuck in their xenophobic little worlds and everyone is hating everyone else.

I think its time to grow up. You'll notice that I've not comented on holocaust denial one way or another in this post...lets see what your reaction is eh?

Wayne...

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posted on Oct, 2 2008 @ 05:23 PM
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I think that guy didn't mean a word he said, but he used them anyway 'cause he hoped to derail the topic.. as it sure has done.

starred for adressing my concerns with that post though



posted on Oct, 2 2008 @ 05:30 PM
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Originally posted by Rinorino2
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Let's just say the Ukraine did make it a crime (I suspect it already might be in practice- I will look it up) would all 'you people' stop going on about Holocaust denial laws?
In fact I doubt you would have the slightest problem with the Ukraine making it crime-only when Jews do it.
Thats what anti-semitism is all about, when a European dresses fancy they are a 'dandy, a jew: showy and obnoxious.
When a jew makes money they greedy, dishonest and the rest-a gentile: frugal, hard working self-sacrificing.
A jew molests a kid-they are a monster. A gentile (as happens a heck of alot)-teaching their children the principles of brotherly love from a practical perspective.

[edit on 2-10-2008 by Rinorino2]


You have absolutely no idea what would and what wouldn't offend me. I would of course have a problem with that. Any law that tells people what they can and can't talk about is abominable.

You can think I am anti-semitic all you want. But all you are doing is projecting your own insecurities onto me. I have no problems with Jews. I never claimed the Holocaust never happened. All I am saying is why shouldn't we be able to discuss this subject from whichever point of view that we want?



posted on Oct, 2 2008 @ 05:34 PM
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If you look at one of my previous posts you will see that I myself don't really agree with Holocaust denial laws- I am big on free speech as a value that rises above all other concerns-nothing worse than stifling free speech if you ask me.



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