Holocaust Denier Arrested

Originally posted by rufusdrak

Originally posted by truth_seeker3
reply to post by rufusdrak

 

Sorry, I was being a bit flat out,

, just a little angered.

I understand their argument, but personally, I have seen too much not to believe.

Diplomatic Immunity. Were going to wishing we arrested him in about a year once they nuke Israel....

Damn where's the emoticon for me rolling around hysterically on the floor laughing??

You actually think there's a bigger chance that Iran will nuke Israel than Israel nuking Iran?

Very funny, Very funny. Maybe, Isreal has its parents, and they might be stern this one time, or not.....

With the attitude that Iran has been giving, at this point, YES.

At this point, I actually think a all-out global conflict could happen dealing with

China, Russia, Iran, Venezuela, United States, and the EU.

There might be a better chance of that. Look at it this way, by mid-century, the UN predicts world population will be 9.2 Billion. Resources are scarce, its going to happen, its just a matter of time.

Originally posted by All Seeing Eye
Anyone who is sincerely interested in learning more about this subject should read up on a American Jew who went public, Benjamin Freedman. Before you do I should warn you, Ben lets the Jews have it in his summations. The only problem with his position is that he himself does not understand the true political hierarchy involved with this enslaved religion.

www.biblestudysite.com...

there you go! The book has not been reprinted as far as I know, and it's hard to come across a hard copy of any kind, unless you buy it used - and for a high price.

He gets really deep into the religious histories and etc, which I am not well versed enough on to let the material truly sink in yet.

It is good that American posters research the state of the Europian society regarding the years durring WWII of what is now known as "The Holocaust" period, 1943-1944.

Jews have very good reasons to seek protection from laws against racial discrimination considering what happened from 1941 to 1945 to many of them. Would any other ethnic group react differently if it had the required organization and the will to do it?

I highly doubt it.

Most Europian countries you see on lists where discrimination laws considering the "Jewish Holocaust" exist, were countries that with one way or another either harbored a large portion of ethnic* jews (ethnic=practising same religion and adhering to their own community) or goverments or status quo wesr very apathetic when Third Reich demanded about handing them over for "relocation". At first relocation attempts in many occasions they joined hapilly because they thought it was really a relocation, they were told about free land uppon relocating to either Germany or other parts of Europe. Most of those people grew believing in Erez Israel, meaning any part of land dedicated for the people of Israel as a nation, not a specific place though.
There were the militant groups which were zionists, and by militant it meant they reserved the right to fight from hostile elements or either fight for land. There were common people they didn't carry arms or anything, it was more like a party organization with same ideas.
Zionists (by this term today we anounce the head elite of jews, but I use it with the term it was applied then. The common folk supportive to the zionist movement) believed in many different things. For instance militants were one belief among others.
Since Jews found themselves always in diaspora, they couldn't use normal ways the local folks are using like party systems, different ideology etc. hence the need for zionism to exist for the Jews to be supported while in diaspora. Notice that everything had a sort of a temporary theme, and it is at the same time fascinating and strange that these people clinged to this system for milenia, certainly is not like anything the non-jews are accustomed. I come from a raceof people that also thrived in diaspora and I can note the distinctiveness of the jewish society.

I started the post about saying that they had or have good motives to fear the unexpected considering the events of WWII.
We must understand that the common jewish folk is not really a conspiring machine hell bent on destroying the human civilization. Mostly are normal folks although a bit more worrying or alerted than average. From the ways they have been accustomed, a strong community system in diaspora emerged unlke any other we have ever seen for any other ethnic groups or peoples races. This very system from its nature can also be heavily exploited by handlers with motives. A symbiotic relationship has emerged, where the handlers (probably) secretly would accuse jews to the rest of the surounding populace, making jews thelmselves to cling to this symbiotic relationship for protection, and for the handlers this symbiosis would provide an exellent place to hide their identities from the masses.

NOTE:

Anyone wishing to do some reasearch will find
The Holocaust Rescue efforts of Rabbi Weissmandl very informative about how much in fashion were or were not the jews around WWII.

If there were not jews ..but say, Kurds for example (picked this one in random) with a system that has abilities to survive in diaspora with identical qualities of the one of the jewish people, the handlers would had picked them instead of anyone else. Although this story is not so simple. Only God knows for which real reasons these people had to end up in diaspora. Their trends, ordeals and history embody and remind litteraly aspects of the mysterious and unknown side of the human race. All races embody mysterious aspects, but each resides is in its own terms and conditions, it is just that their number has been called for them to come forward because their aspects for some reason are tied with events of the era of the turning of our civilization the last 2 milenia.
Other peoples races had in the past and others peoples races probably will have their own numbers called forth to participate in events at some time or another but everyone in its own good time. Only God really knows the reasons.

[edit on 1-10-2008 by spacebot]

Please the poster that claimed that a 40% of Sicily was comprised of jews come forward and post how did he came up with that claim?

[edit on 1-10-2008 by spacebot]

I heard that in Germany, they don't bring up the holocaust in schools and such.
I imagine it would be a very touchy issue.
I guess the whole WWII topic is.

I don't know that for certain, and don't claim to- Just heard it from a friend who spent time in Germany.

Originally posted by DJMessiah
Just to add a note, anyone who questions the numbers, locations, names, deaths, or methods of torture pertaining to the concentration camps is labeled a "Holocaust Denier."

I think the bigger conspiracy here is over the term "Holocaust Denier," meant to be used on anyone who questions any part of the Holocaust.

Automatically, people assume they deny the Holocaust ever happened, which is far from what their stance is.

It's a propoganda word, because no matter what the critiquing person's point is, people will always think the "Holocaust denier's" belief is invalid because the Holocaust had occurred, even though the critiquing person was never denying the Holocaust, but rather questioning the numbers or other miscellaneous information.

Well that makes me a Denier then
As i do Question a few of those points.

Originally posted by Grafilthy
The point that I don't get....even after all this conversation is...

How can someone be charged with a lie, if the lie was not in a court of law???

If I lie to someone, am directly causing them harm? Or are they just too dumb to figure out the truth themselves?

This will be my most difficult response to this thread, and to top it off, its not really on topic. You see, my response will be reversed.

This thread is about someone who broke the law, and as more people awaken, they too, will see the law itself is criminal in nature.

Humbly, I am no expert in law, nor do I claim a commanding knowledge of the foundations for the rule of law. Grafilthy has asked a very logical question. In essence I believe he is asking, "What do we do, legally"?

In America we must look at the legislation that was passed that brought this lying system to America. If you research the passage of the Federal Reserve act itself you will find it was passed illegally, and please, those with more knowledge on this, please correct me if I'm wrong, but there is a principal in the present law that states anything that grows from a criminal enterprise is null and void. What that translates to is everything that has grow out of the Federal Reserve is wiped clean, we owe the bankers nothing, there is no national debt, there is no mortgage payment, no credit card bill. Nada, nilch..........

Since the people who profited from this are "Overseas" we would have to extradite them to America to stand trial, there lays the problem, on two fronts. The first is they are not citezens of this country and our legal system is not applicable.

The second reason is far more involved. They are in fact, "above the law". What that means is that even the laws of their own host country do not apply to them. The reason for this is two fold. One, the easiest, they own virtually all the judicial systems world wide, or at least in the countries they operate the central bank in. I believe there are only 7 countries left that are not controlled by them, Iraq and Iran are two of them.

The second reason they are apparently above the law is that Laws were written for human beings and these laws do not apply to them. Why you ask? You must be fully aware that these "Bankers", the Rothschild's are Jewish, Talmudic Jews. You must understand that they view themselves as the Talmud has taught them to, they view themselves to be Gods. And if you look at their deeds they prove this on a daily basis. They rule the world. The King George that caused us to separate from the Crown was a child compared to the Rothschild's, and in fact, King George was "Owned" by the Rothschild's.

If your actions cause injury to another threw action or inaction, you may be held accountable. If you yell fire in a theater and people hurt themselves because of your "Lie", you may be held accountable. So yes, telling a lie is culpable under the law, as long as you are in control of your faculties. Can the Rothschild's be held to the same standard? Yes. I'm quite certain that if there were a criminal case filed in a court of free men, they would be found not guilty. ? They would be found to be criminally insane, because anyone who believes themselves to be God, must be insane.

For myself, If I were the Judge, would order them held in a mental institution for the rest of their lives so they may not harm themselves or others ever again. I would order that their ill gotten gains would be redistributed to the countries where there banks operated.

I have no ill will against Jews, and when this judgment finally comes to pass, the Jewish faith will stand for its own merit, or parish from its failure, as all other Religions will.

I will now retire from this subject, and wait with all of humanity, for the final Judgment.

God, help us all.

All Seeing Eye

Originally posted by All Seeing Eye

Originally posted by truth_seeker3
The Holocaust happened.

Its as simple as that, you can deny it, and it is in your natural rights to if you want. Arresting him for denying the holocaust is fine, do it, but arrest the thousands of others who have denied it too.


Hmmm?

Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. Arrest him when he visits the EU, see what would happen.

What the hell is all I have to say.

I don't think the argument is about the Holocaust happening, it did, no doubt, the problem is that it may have not been as extensive or "Jew" orientated as the prevailing history writes it. The problem with this law is that it is intended to keep people from researching WWII and its ramifications.

Would you happen to have come across the term 'The Final Solution?I think might give you a clue as to what all the fuss was about if you found out about it.

Here's a start-



www.ushmm.org...

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reply to post by rufusdrak


Ask the Germans and Europeans that wrote and enforce the laws.
Many who propose this question are implying some kind of jewish conspiracy, it is unlikely that the Jewish lobby would have concieved the concept of making holocaust denial a crime-and more likely that Europeans self-imposed it.
You will also probably find that these sort of laws tend to be made where politicians see potential for real danger-similiar racial defamation laws actually exists in the UK in regards to Asians or Blacks-why? because certain elements in the political establishment want to make sure they are never in the position of post-war Germany.
Face facts-some Germans are embarrased about their past anti-semitism and simply dont want it rearing its head.

[edit on 2-10-2008 by Rinorino2]

Originally posted by neformore


You know, a lot of people died in the holocaust.

Romanies, disabled people, Polish and Russian prisoners of war, slavic people, homosexuals, political dissidents, communists and jews. Of course, jewish people made up a large proportion of the numbers. All were summarliy rounded up and executed

So - why is it that those who wish to push this argument repeatedly, over and over again, want to make it solely about jewish people? - it wasn't.

I suggest that the people who choose to make it about one group do so out of reasons that have no place in a modern, civilised society, where everyone is equal

[edit on 2/1008/08 by neformore]

Because the point of the Holocaust was to wipe the jewish population of Europe out completely.The other groups that were exterminated were killed because they were considered racially inferior or impure or because they did'nt fit the criteria for being a member of the masterace eg ;disabled ,metally impaired.Jews were considered to be sub -human by the Nazi's.

There seems to be a lack of knowledge and understanding about the Final Solution and the Holocaust.I can only put this down to alot of the people on ATS being quite young and the passage of time diluting the impact of these events.I can remember my friend turning around to me in the Eighties and saying "Do you realise that the Holocaust was only forty years ago?"We both shuddered as we did realise that it was'nt that much of a recent event.In Socialist thought-the Final Solution is seen as the highest expression of capitalism;systematic and catalogued murder on an industrial scale with use of the by-products.There are alot of sites on the net about this and you can even visit places like Auschwitz today with a guide who takes you around the camp.My brother went recently and even then the lack of knowledge expressed by some of his fellow tourists caused the lady tourguide's mouth to drop open in disbelief.I think it's bacause the extent of horror and evil perpetrated in these places is not normally held within the realms of most peoples imagination.Anyway-



www.ushmm.org...

reply to post by Dock6


And of course since one Jewish family doesnt believe the Holocaust happened-it didnt, right?
An "extended Jewish family" (like there is such a thing)-what a house full fo aunts, uncles, nieces and nephews under one roof-all holocaust deniers-sounds like aload of garbage frankly.
Unless you are talking about Rabbi Freidmann of Austria.
Fact is there are a few Jewish holocaust deniers, as there would be out of population of 20 million worldwide.
I am often amazed at people who espouse wide-reaching theories about jews and then show there profound ignorance on Jews.
Like those that espouse the Khazar theory-I have personally stared face to face with medieval texts and read quotes from them in Hebrew regarding the Khazars, yet I would say I know for cetain that the theory is false. But I have to debate some redneck who gets his info from a nazi website.
Likewise the Holocaust-I could bring arguments to support the fact of the Holocaust that the deniers couldnt even begin to debate-they simply don't know enough about jews.
I myself am of Polish Jewish descent and my family was murdered in Kracow-we have never found a trace of their existence, we have, in ernest, searched the every corner of the internet to find a relative, so i know the event did happen.
However-I should stress, I am not deluded to think the holocaust was some kind of cosmic event of significance-it was another massacre of men women and children, nothing more or less-and thats another thing about anti-semites they assume all Jews have cetain attitudes to a man.

reply to post by Rinorino2


For instance in Europe different communities had different mannerisms and customs, spoke with different accents and even wore different clothes-it is blatantly obvious to anyone that knows anything about Jews that the Jews of Poland and Lithuania simply didnt seem to be anywhere after the war-they didnt just get mxed around and dispersed like Nazi sympathisers claim-they are clearly not around.
Imagine if London was obliterated along with its population-but say Newcastle wasnt-yet some no nothing would keep telling you that the Londoners were all around-yet all you ever heard was a Geordie accent and all you ever met were Geordies.
Holocaust denial is simply rubbish.

[edit on 2-10-2008 by Rinorino2]

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I dont claim the Armenian holocaust didnt occur because I know nothing about the topic-these people will claim they 'know' the holocaust didnt occur....on the basis they don't like Jews.
And the whole thing is absurd-if Hitler didnt kill the Jews-why do they admire him so much??? After they want to kill the Jews????

Originally posted by All Seeing Eye
Someone had brought up the point that most of the "Holocaust Denial" laws are instituted in Europe and not America. And as someone else stated, Jews in the area are free to be Holocaust Deniers. I think the reason for the laws being there and not here, yet, are that over there, there are still people who remember how it really was and can attest to any falsehoods that might be uncovered. After all, the war was fought over there, not America. So as I see it, the ruling elite who are the ones that see to the passage of laws are more interested in silencing first hand whiteness's who are more inclined to be found in the effected countries.

If you wanted to silence the whiteness's of the civil war in the United States, you would pass laws in the United States "Civil War Deniers", these laws would not apply to Europeans.

Anyone who is sincerely interested in learning more about this subject should read up on a American Jew who went public, Benjamin Freedman. Before you do I should warn you, Ben lets the Jews have it in his summations. The only problem with his position is that he himself does not understand the true political hierarchy involved with this enslaved religion.

Here we have a professor of Khazaria-so tell me what your opinion of the Rabbi Hayim Rappaports quaote regarding the Khazars in 'Ateret kohanim'-and dont bother looking it up on the net-it isnt there.
The Khazar theory is a fairytale made up by a Jewish Printer in Amsterdam (who I actually happen to be descended from)-it was forgery that was regarded as such until the late 19th century when a group known as the Haskalah(Jews actually) promoted the idea as a way of inducing young jews to abandon Judaism and become things like socialists-its garbage with no basis.
Koestler was a Hungarian Jew with a massive axe to grind and his book is a joke and Benjamin Freidman an outright liar.

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Good for you Rinoro2 you speak the truth.I've never understood holocaust deniers.If the Holocaust never happened how come there are still Nazis alive today who talk about their participatin in it and still say they have no regrets?Are they making it all up as well.Just watch the Hitler,sorry ,History Channel etc for loads of documentaries .We had a good series in the UK called the World at War which is often repeated on documentary channels.Remember that sometimes you get neo -nazis from sites like Stormfront coming on sites like this to spread Nazi propaganda.

Originally posted by neformore


You know, a lot of people died in the holocaust.

Romanies, disabled people, Polish and Russian prisoners of war, slavic people, homosexuals, political dissidents, communists and jews. Of course, jewish people made up a large proportion of the numbers. All were summarliy rounded up and executed

So - why is it that those who wish to push this argument repeatedly, over and over again, want to make it solely about jewish people? - it wasn't.

I suggest that the people who choose to make it about one group do so out of reasons that have no place in a modern, civilised society, where everyone is equal

[edit on 2/1008/08 by neformore]

Exactly that's the point I'm trying to make, the holocaust had tons of types of people that were rounded up for the sole purpose of extermination, gypsies, blacks, gays amongst others so why are jews the only one that get LEGAL "protection" (or is it ILLEGAL?) from denial of holocaust. And please don't tell me it's the numbers alone, i.e. 5, 6, or 7 million because Russians lost MUCH MORE people than the jews in WW2 and 1. you don't hear Russians whining about it because it's a country of men, and 2. you don't see Russians seeking legal recourse in Europe for anyone that denies that Stalin killed 20 million or that Russia lost 40 million people in WW2.

reply to post by Rinorino2


I warned everyone in this thread to NOT go there. You are crossing the line sir, as this thread is not a debate about whether the holocaust occurred or not. For the record there are many people on this thread as we speak I am sure that can disprove your holocaust EASILY, so please do not even go there, if you really want to, then start another thread ABOUT that topic and I will be happy to CONTRIBUTE for you.

Originally posted by candyfloss
reply to post by Rinorino2

 

Good for you Rinoro2 you speak the truth.I've never understood holocaust deniers.If the Holocaust never happened how come there are still Nazis alive today who talk about their participatin in it and still say they have no regrets?Are they making it all up as well.Just watch the Hitler,sorry ,History Channel etc for loads of documentaries .We had a good series in the UK called the World at War which is often repeated on documentary channels.Remember that sometimes you get neo -nazis from sites like Stormfront coming on sites like this to spread Nazi propaganda.

As I said don't go there, for every alleged nazi that claims he was part of a holocaust there are 200 that have proof there wasn't any holocaust. Don't start this debate I said many times this is not what the thread is about if you wish to attempt to prove the holocaust occurred message me in private or start another thread about it.

Originally posted by neformore

Originally posted by rufusdrak
so why are jews the only one that get LEGAL "protection" (or is it ILLEGAL?) from denial of holocaust.

Nice try at twisting my point. Not going to work.

The holocaust laws cover all elements of the holocaust, not one particular party to it.

Its only seriously misguided people and those with an axe to grind against jewish people that try and paint it any other way.

And like I said, that way of thinking has no place in a civilised society where everyone is equal.

Yet it's convenient, however, that the Jews are the only people that have created specific criteria and even a label "Holocaust denial". The technical term holocaust denial, if you actually look it up has several official criterias such as 1. disputing the 5-7 million number, 2. disputing that gas chambers were ever used, etc. You conveniently leave out who it is that created that criteria, I suppose it was the 'other groups' the gays and such right?