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Topic started on 1-10-2008 @ 08:59 AM by Daniem

The average temperature on earth has sunk. The sun is in a period of lower activity then in a long time.

The sun is at a minimun now, and is at its weakest ever measured since the space age began.

Weak emissions from the sun

Measurement done also show that the energy-emissions from the sun is unusually low. This meas that the earth recives less energy. Further more, the ultra violet emissions are weaker.

Weak solar winds
The solar wind — a stream of charged particles ejected from the sun's upper atmosphere at 1 million miles per hour — is significantly weaker, cooler and less dense than it has been in 50 years, according to new data from the NASA-European solar probe Ulysses.

Based on total solar output observations made by Ulysses in previous years, the strength of solar wind pressure and the magnetic field embedded in the solar wind were found to have decreased by 20 percent compared to the previous solar cycle.

New and cold sun-era?
2008 has been the coldest year since the heat record year of 1998. Where is global warming? Around the year 1700 the sun was in a weak period and the earth got colder temperatures.

news.nationalgeographic.com...

www.efluxmedia.com...

reply posted on 1-10-2008 @ 09:15 AM by peacejet

Your data doesnt match with the increased intensity of droughts and hurricanes over the decades, which can be proved easily as the after effects of global warming.

reply posted on 1-10-2008 @ 09:18 AM by andy1033

reply to post by peacejet

The man made global warming myth cannot prove them. There are too many variables for man to even know, what contributes totally to our weather system. So thats a big full stop to your argument.

reply posted on 1-10-2008 @ 09:22 AM by enduser

reply to post by andy1033

If there are too many variables for us to know, how do you know global warming is a myth? Climate change was here long before man, but man as far as i am concerned is contributing to the inevitable, speeding it up perhaps?

reply posted on 1-10-2008 @ 09:25 AM by Daniem

reply to post by peacejet

Let me ask: What is the evidence that the growing concentrations of carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases in the atmosphere are changing weather systems in such a way that hurricanes become more powerful, or more frequent?

"Based on recent research, the consensus view is that we don't expect global warming to make a difference to the frequency of hurricanes," explains Julian Heming, from the UK Meteorological Office.

"Activity is naturally very variable in terms of frequency, intensity and regional occurrence; in the Atlantic, there are active phases and not so active phases, and currently we're in the middle of an active phase."

We would all benefit from people on both wings of the issue looking rather more to research, however laboured its progress, and rather less to screaming headlines and easy quotes.

news.bbc.co.uk...

reply posted on 1-10-2008 @ 09:30 AM by tonyth

Well from what I noticed, this years summer in Toronto was horrible cold and wet all season long. I don't know if its just Toronto or the world too.

reply posted on 1-10-2008 @ 09:36 AM by Siblin

People must always remember that storms are going to seem more intense and more frequent because there are more people around to experience them, and more media to record the aftermath. Simple as that. There is argument over whether global warming can intensify storms (like everything in climate, I'm sure that a "yes" or "no" will not be enough to suffice), but much of what we see can be explained by that easy observation.

reply posted on 1-10-2008 @ 09:37 AM by peacejet

Yes, I accept that the earth has undergone warming the past as a part of the natural cycle, but can you clearly state, why warming which took around millions of years in the past is occuring just in a few decades.

reply posted on 1-10-2008 @ 09:42 AM by kcfusion

Well here in Ireland it has been the coldest september in 14 years according to

uk.news.yahoo.com...

And for complete proof that this GW bs has gotten completely out of control

uk.news.yahoo.com...

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reply posted on 1-10-2008 @ 09:43 AM by kcfusion

reply to post by peacejet

Ah wrong again sir, warming or cooling in the past happened over a couple of seasons not millions of years!

reply posted on 1-10-2008 @ 09:46 AM by buddhasystem

As you know, weather prediction as it is practiced now is not always precise, but often does a fairly good job. Equally, the existing climate models aren't perfect, but I surmise that they often pass the regression test vis-a-vis experimental data. It's true it's a hard piece of science, but this doesn't mean that (a) we shouldn't be doing that (b) when we do it, discard the results as demonstrably unreliable.

Too much is at stake.

Let say you had a test which indicates that you MIGHT have cancer. As with all medical tests, there is rarely certainty in many cases. So you get a certain degree of likelihood that you have cancer. Will you disregard this, because biochemistry is such a hard science and there are "many factors" involved? Think about that.

reply posted on 1-10-2008 @ 09:52 AM by Fromabove

Two thing determine the weather of the Earth. The Sun (the heater throught solar wind inesity and sunsopt activity) and Cosmic rays( the refridgerater). When the sun is active it pushes away cosmic rays and heats the Earth (global warming). When the sun is sleeping, the cosmic rays increase(global cooling). What happens when the cosmic rays hit the Earth is that they produce cloud cover and further blocks out sunlight from reaching the surface. This cools the oceans and lowers the global tempature. Not only is the sun at the minimum, but has cut away into the prediction chart of going into cycle 24. It has continued to decline. Solar wind has decreased 25%. get a coat because it it going to get very cold outside.

reply posted on 1-10-2008 @ 10:20 AM by Doc Velocity

There has been no increase in droughts nor in the number and intensity of hurricanes. That's just more manmade global warming propaganda, like Al Gore's fraudulent "hockey stick" graph.

There were 101 hurricanes from 1900 to 1949, during a period of cooler global temperatures, compared to 83 hurricanes from 1957 to 2006, when the earth supposedly started warming. That's fewer hurricanes.

Look here:
Gore's "Global Warming" Gets a Cold Shoulder

— Doc Velocity

reply posted on 1-10-2008 @ 10:29 AM by RRconservative

reply to post by Doc Velocity

Nowadays if we get a stiff breeze the MSM is on Hurricane alert. So it just seems like we are having more hurricanes. Even though it is not true.

Thanks for pointing out that information!

reply posted on 1-10-2008 @ 10:31 AM by Doc Velocity

Originally posted by buddhasystem
Let say you had a test which indicates that you MIGHT have cancer. As with all medical tests, there is rarely certainty in many cases. So you get a certain degree of likelihood that you have cancer. Will you disregard this, because biochemistry is such a hard science and there are "many factors" involved? Think about that.

Let's say that you didn't have cancer but you started chemo and radiotherapy for cancer, anyway. This "therapy," designed to combat cancer, would exact irreparable injury to your healthy body.

No, you do not proceed with such drastic therapy — nor do you proceed with drastic attempts to repair the climate when your "manmade global warming" diagnosis is inconclusive, at best, and fraudulent, at worst.

— Doc Velocity

reply posted on 1-10-2008 @ 10:33 AM by nyk537

I really don’t see why we are still discussing this.

If everyone would just replace their light bulbs and check their tire pressure, global warming wouldn't be a problem anymore.

Oh, and don't forget to buy your carbon credits!

reply posted on 1-10-2008 @ 10:37 AM by Thebudweiserstuntman

Originally posted by Daniem
The average temperature on earth has sunk. The sun is in a period of lower activity then in a long time.

The sun is at a minimun now, and is at its weakest ever measured since the space age began.

Weak emissions from the sun

Measurement done also show that the energy-emissions from the sun is unusually low. This meas that the earth recives less energy. Further more, the ultra violet emissions are weaker.

According to the graph you have attached there the weakest solar activity was infact the end of 1996, beginning of 1997. This data is incomplete. How does recent data compare to this?

reply posted on 1-10-2008 @ 10:37 AM by Thebudweiserstuntman

Double post - sorry!