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Originally posted by Ripperella
I thought that troops are NOT EVER supposed to be deployed at home, unless in active defense of the country. Could someone explain or correct me on this?
The fact the the article was posted after the first, not before (when everyone began noticing the activity) sends up a red flag for me.
Originally posted by chiponbothshoulders
Posse comitatis (spelling),was recently struck down by the military commisions act which was recently passed.
The regular armed forces are returning from Iraq,they have been desensitised to the killing and maiming of innocent civilians.
There was a reason that it was decided to make deploying armed forces in the continental US unlawful,and you may soon find out what that reason is.
I served in the military,they do not exactly teach one how to be honorable,they teach you to kill without thinking for yourself or asking questions,just follow orders......
Soldiers are murderers,plain and simple,I know,I was one,and I still feel guilty and worse,when I think about what I did when I was.
I think this is a very bad development.
[edit on 5-10-2008 by chiponbothshoulders]
No, it wasn't. One, you're referring to the John Warner Act, and two, it didn't either.
In October 2006, Bush signed into law the John Warner National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2007. Quietly slipped into the law at the last minute, at the request of the Bush administration, were sections changing important legal principles, dating back 200 years, which limit the U.S. government's ability to use the military to intervene in domestic affairs. These changes would allow Bush, whenever he thinks it necessary, to institute martial law--under which the military takes direct control over civilian administration.
Because it was melodramatic and just plain wrong.
Why don't you look up how the John Warner Act changed the language regarding posse comitatus, and post for us the language both before and after. I'll be here.
Originally posted by enigmania
reply to post by SuperViking
Because it was melodramatic and just plain wrong.
Doesn't the militairy teach you to kill without thinking, to blindly follow orders, haven't innocent civilians, women, children, been murdered in Iraq, by US troops?
You just don't like what he had to say.
Why don't you look up how the John Warner Act changed the language regarding posse comitatus, and post for us the language both before and after. I'll be here.
Why, don't you, if you think it proves your point.
No, not really.
Are you saying you don't even know what the John Warner Defense Authorization Act of 2006 even says? Honestly, when it comes to how exactly the President can declare 'martial law', the wording was slightly changed. If you don't even know how- if you don't even know what it says- why are you talking about it? That's very puzzling to me.
www.georgiatoday.ge... seems like Georgia is hot and the Georgia to Georgia connection is not funny
From the USA, 1,000 military servicemen took part in the exercise including the United States Army Europe, 3rd Battalion, 25th Marine Expeditionary Unit, 1st Battalion 121 Infantry Regiment Georgian National Guard (Atlanta, Georgia) and 5045th General Support Unit.
www.kvirispalitra.ge...
The state of Georgia has a partnership links with the country of Georgia and regularly sends military contingents for training purposes. The current exercise is not directly connected with that program, though the existing relations propelled the decision to take include Georgia guardsmen in the trainings. 325 soldiers from Winder, Covington, Lawrenceville, Gainesville and Milledgeville would otherwise have headed to Fort Stewart or another U.S.military base for their annual training. 'The Georgia to Georgia thing never gets old,' Smith said. 'Everyone gets a chuckle out of it.' The Georgia infantry battalion returned from a 12-month tour of Iraq in April 2006 and is scheduled to leave for Afghanistan next summer with the 48th Brigade to train the Afghan National Army. In 'Immediate Response', they will conduct tactical and procedural training alongside Georgian soldiers from exhausting road marches to combat lifesaving medical classes to marksmanship and hand-to-hand combat. They will also participate in mock war situations. The larger aim of the annual exercise is to help break down barriers
isakson.senate.gov...
“This investment in Georgia’s military installations is very good news for Georgia,” Isakson said. “Our facilities play a key role in the security of our nation, and I am very pleased to see such a strong commitment to them from Washington.”
www.tribune-georgian.com...
THE Pentagon's recommendation will move six fast attack submarines, such as the USS Toledo, currently berthed at Naval Submarine Base, New London, to Naval Submarine Base, Kings Bay, in 2008.(Tribune & Georgian photo/James Nix)
No, I'm saying, post the part that proves your point.
(a) Use of section 3034(d)Armed Forces in Major Public Emergencies- (1) The President may employ the armed forces, including the National Guard in Federal service, to--
`(A) restore public order and enforce the laws of the United States when, as a result of a natural disaster, epidemic, or other serious public health emergency, terrorist attack or incident, or other condition in any State or possession of the United States, the President determines that--
`(i) domestic violence has occurred to such an extent that the constituted or possession are incapable of maintaining public order; and
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`(ii) such violence results in a condition described in paragraph (2); or
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`(B) suppress, in a State, any insurrection, domestic violence, unlawful combination, or conspiracy if such insurrection, violation, combination, or conspiracy results in a condition described in paragraph (2).
and the Military Commissions Act being the one you were trying to talk about),
That's what was changed in 2006. Can you even tell me what the differences are from the original?
So the changes to posse comitatus signed into law by Bush are extremely significant and ominous. Bush has modified the main exemptions to posse comitatus that up to now have been primarily defined by the Insurrection Act of 1807. Previously the president could call out the army in the United States only in cases of insurrection or conditions where "rebellion against the authority of the United States, make it impracticable to enforce the laws of the United States in any State or Territory by the ordinary course of judicial proceedings." Under the new law the president can use the military in response to a natural disaster, a disease outbreak, a terrorist attack or "other condition in which the President determines that domestic violence has occurred to the extent that state officials cannot maintain public order."