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H.A.A.R.P. is THE most powerful weapon?

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posted on Sep, 30 2008 @ 03:49 PM
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Living in the Atlanta area and having to wait in long lines to get gas which has gone from $3.55/gal to $4.39/gal in less than 30 days makes me very suspicious.

It occurred to me that our friendly shape shifting leaders are using H.A.A.R.P. to Textproduce these hurricanes for fun and profit. Many believe H.A.A.R.P. has already been used to produce the Tsunami that killed 200,000 in Indonesia, earthquakes in China, cyclones, Katrina, and God only knows how many other "acts of God".

When you take a good look at everything that's been going on, it seems that the only people who ALWAYS win are the international banksters who own the central banks. It stands to reason. They first create horrible situations like wars, depressions, and other catastrophes, then make gigantic loans to governments to pay for them, right? Of course.

They get to create as much money as they want out of thin air, loan it at interest, create depressions, and take control of all the "real" goods and property for pennies on the dollar. They've been at it for 200 years now and we are just too stupid to know what's really happening.

The Rothschild Banking Family mastered this practice and, of course, became the investment banker for the Vatican in 1823, right? Many are arguing today about who is really calling the shots, the Rothschild-led Zionists or the Jesuit-led Vatican.

It seems pretty clear to me that they are in it together. This is the real power behind the scenes. Could they all be shape shifting Alpha Draconians?
I don't know for sure because the mainstream media isn't reporting the truth, but when you follow the money trail, it always seems to go directly back to the owners of the Central Banks, doesn't it?



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posted on Sep, 30 2008 @ 03:53 PM
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All I see here is major assumptions being made. Where's the proof that HAARP is being used as a weapon? Where is the proof that there are shapeshifting beings in positions of leaderships? Do you have anything besides a wild imagination to back up any of these claims you make? just curious



posted on Sep, 30 2008 @ 03:58 PM
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HAARP is for kids. Like Windows 3.1. Much like the motion a magician makes to keep your attention on one thing while the real motion is done smoothly.

We're way beyond HAARP. HAARP is a deception funded to give physicists using conventional EM theory something to do while the real research goes in another direction. Don't get me wrong. Those HAARP physicists think they are doing something special. And yet they aren't even playing on the board.



posted on Sep, 30 2008 @ 04:16 PM
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Originally posted by dooper
HAARP is for kids. Like Windows 3.1. Much like the motion a magician makes to keep your attention on one thing while the real motion is done smoothly.

We're way beyond HAARP. HAARP is a deception funded to give physicists using conventional EM theory something to do while the real research goes in another direction. Don't get me wrong. Those HAARP physicists think they are doing something special. And yet they aren't even playing on the board.


But if you look closely, after the scientist figured out how to make a mirror out of plasma to direct the energy anywhere they wanted and change the ionosphere's electric charge to change weather, the USAF quickly bought them out.
The only reason I can think of why the military would do that is to use it as a weapon.
HAARP uses tremendous amounts of power to beam up into the ionosphere and the total difference in the charge from it, and earth is only about 200,000 volts.
They claim it only uses 3.6 million watts but I've heard billions from other places. They also say:



A high power transmitter and antenna array operating in the High Frequency (HF) range. The transmitter is capable of delivering up to 3.6 million Watts

That statement has no reference to low frequency that (if its the same as sound waves) would be spread across a bigger area.

Hard to tell in this case until some hard evidence comes out but it's looking like its quite possible.



posted on Sep, 30 2008 @ 04:22 PM
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OP prepare to be anhialiated ATS members take HAARP very seriously and you wait the disinfo agents will be crawling on this thread in the minute. Proposterous, ridiculous, show us proof, hearsay. I can hear it now.

The truth is HAARP and the LHC will be used against us in some way. There is a very knowledgeable member that will no doubt join this thread later who will be able to give you all the answers based on fact. Anything that penetrates anything living or dead has to be bad surely?

Would you put your head in a microwave and turn it on? Ponder that one


I am your side if you hadn't noticed


Just to add, HAARP created the tsunami and the Japanese/Iranian earthquakes.

[edit on 30-9-2008 by franspeakfree]



posted on Sep, 30 2008 @ 04:39 PM
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Do you guys ever think that things just happen, because they happen?

HAARP is what people flock too when they want to throw something out there and seem creative. Give me some solid evidence of HAARPS usage, if not in the past, then recently as the hurricanes.

I mean, HAARP is totally responsible for the rainstorm in my town last night, right?



posted on Sep, 30 2008 @ 04:41 PM
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haha yeah, op prepare for about a million more posts exactly like justamomma's. I'm on yours and franspeakfree's side though. Which remind's me, franspeakfree, do you have any links that elaborate or support your statement: "HAARP created the tsunami and the Japanese/Iranian earthquakes." I'd like to check it out if you have one. I am certainly not challenging your statement or testing your knowledge, I'm just curious lol.

HAARP scares me though, sounds like it has a lot of power, and if the gov't owns it, no doubt some high power elitist has access to it. And a banker can make bank off a hurricane, that's for sure. I just wish they (HAARP poeple) would push some heavy rain clouds over my way in Vegas, i'm starting to hate the color blue since it's all i see, no clouds, just blue skies



posted on Sep, 30 2008 @ 04:47 PM
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Yeah sure check out this thread to HAARP video this is a video that particularly interests me.

One thing I will say research research research thats the only way you can come to a logical explanation to these conspiracies. There is undeniable proof out there right under our noses but if the eyes and ears are shut.........................



posted on Sep, 30 2008 @ 05:20 PM
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Originally posted by screamohaha yeah, op prepare for about a million more posts exactly like justamomma's.


Haha! Thanks for singling me out here dude.
I am sorry that it bothers some of you that I don't buy these ridiculous claims simply because you all are paranoid that everyone is out to get you, but really it is your problem. I am SOOOO in the right to ask for some proof before these claims and theories start getting bought by the gullible ppl who undoubtedly are already making their way to this thread.


signed, The disinfo agent, Gov't agent, Media Robot, or whatever non inventive new name you all will most assuredly come up with


[edit on 30-9-2008 by justamomma]



posted on Sep, 30 2008 @ 05:38 PM
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It would be a handy thing to have but if it was real would'nt you think that america would use it to desimate Iran rather than upset the olympics in china if it was capable of creating earthquakes and all that it could reduce world tensions by using it to destroy alot of Irans infurstrucure



posted on Sep, 30 2008 @ 05:39 PM
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I agree with you. Everything under the sun nowadays is a conspiracy, a secret scientific project, or a mind-control effort. My brake pads are squeaking and I just know it's those black-tie bastards in Washington.

Sometimes, especially when it come to ongoing processes, such as tectonic activity, dookey happens. It is very possible that volcanoes, tsunami's, sunspots, hurricanes, the common cold, and rectal bleeding may just possibly happen without some unnamed, unexplained sinister group dedicated to making our lives miserable.

I'll say it again. HAARP is child's play. It's the publicly acknowledged technology. Think about it.

If I can use simple scalar biophysics to heal a 72-year old shattered elbow where the bones were too soft to hold screws and had to be sewn together, and it was completely healed in less than two weeks, think about the inverse. Alter the carrier wave. Now, what could I do?

HAARP is for kids.



posted on Sep, 30 2008 @ 06:09 PM
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Originally posted by justamomma

Haha! Thanks for singling me out here dude.
I am sorry that it bothers some of you that I don't buy these ridiculous claims simply because you all are paranoid that everyone is out to get you, but really it is your problem. I am SOOOO in the right to ask for some proof before these claims and theories start getting bought by the gullible ppl who undoubtedly are already making their way to this thread.


signed, The disinfo agent, Gov't agent, Media Robot, or whatever non inventive new name you all will most assuredly come up with


[edit on 30-9-2008 by justamomma]


My bad for singling you out, not intentional but that doesn't cover the fact that i did, i sincerely apologize.

I'm not saying that it's bad to buy into ridiculous claims that are suggested here and i am certainly not one a paranoid person, I'm too oblivious to be paranoid lol, i just take every side of every story as seriously as possible, whether the conspiracy is possible or not. Like the Egyptian pyramid/alien link theory for instance, i don't buy into it, but i research it enough to know about it and if it happens to become reality, than i know the background of it. But I'm not paranoid in the slightest.

And you are in the right for asking for proof, but that's what makes a conspiracy theory just that, a theory (Theory: An explanation for some phenomenon that is based on observation, experimentation, and reasoning). Now, i don't see proof there and if there was proof i think we'd advance FAR beyond theory (and conspiracy since a conspiracy is a conspiracy when it is shrouded in secrecy). So proof would completely blow this out of the conspiracy theory category. But i guess that's why it's in such high demand here.



posted on Sep, 30 2008 @ 06:11 PM
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You know, of course someone is going to come out and say "Show us proof that LHC and HAARP is being used to kill people". It stands to reason that just as some of you question what the government tells you, others are going to question what you tell them. Or because it's out of the ordinary it's expected to go unchallenged?

I have yet to see any shred of proof that scientific facilities are being used as weapons.

The weather in a planet's atmosphere is constantly changing and I think(my opinion of course) that it's just about impossible to manipulate the weather, simply too many factors to compute even for our current super computers. And there are always the unknown factors to consider.

Were HAARP a weapon, yes it would be an extremely powerful weapon, but also would have limited use. LHC, not a weapon, I don't think it's a weapon by any stretch of the imagination. I don't think there's anything to suggest that the natural disasters currently happening are anything but natural.

Shattered OUT...

[edit on 30-9-2008 by ShatteredSkies]



posted on Sep, 30 2008 @ 06:37 PM
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Originally posted by ShatteredSkies
You know, of course someone is going to come out and say "How us proof that LHC and HAARP is being used to kill people". It stands to reason that just as some of you question what the government tells you, others are going to question what you tell them. Or because it's out of the ordinary it's expected to go unchallenged?

I have yet to see any shred of proof that scientific facilities are being used as weapons.

The weather in a planet's atmosphere is constantly changing and I think(my opinion of course) that it's just about impossible to manipulate the weather, simply too many factors to compute even for our current super computers. And there are always the unknown factors to consider.

Were HAARP a weapon, yes it would be an extremely powerful weapon, but also would have limited use. LHC, not a weapon, I don't think it's a weapon by any stretch of the imagination. I don't think there's anything to suggest that the natural disasters currently happening are anything but natural.

Shattered OUT...

I agree with some of you're post, the LHC is just an oversized particle gun but I've been digging around about Haarp and found this:




Method and apparatus for altering a region in the earth's atmosphere, ionosphere, and/or magnetosphere United States Patent 4,686,605 / Eastlund / August 11, 1987



The radiation is transmitted at a frequency which excites electron cyclotron resonance to heat and accelerate the charged particles. This increase in energy can cause ionization of neutral particles which are then absorbed as part of the region thereby increasing the charged particle density of the region.





Method of modifying weather United States Patent 6,315,213 / Cordani / November 13, 2001
A method for artificially modifying the weather by seeding rain clouds of a storm with suitable cross-linked aqueous polymer. The polymer is dispersed into the cloud and the wind of the storm agitates the mixture causing the polymer to absorb the rain. This reaction forms a gelatinous substance which precipitate to the surface below. Thus, diminishing the clouds ability to rain.

Guess that verifies chemtrails.




ROCKET HAVING BARIUM RELEASE SYSTEM TO CREATE ION CLOUDS IN THE UPPER ATMOSPHERE United States Patent: - US3813875 / Issued/Filed Dates: June 4, 1974 / April 28, 1972 pub8.ezboard.com... A chemical system for releasing a good yield of free barium (Ba°) atoms and barium ions (BA+) to create ion clouds in the upper atmosphere and interplanetary space for the study of the geophysical properties of the medium. Inventor(s): Paine; Thomas O. Administrator of the National Aeronautics and Space Administration with respect to an invention of , Hampton, VA 23364

omega.twoday.net...
Several other sites list the same info as well.
All of this is just the unclassified stuff.



posted on Sep, 30 2008 @ 11:01 PM
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Originally posted by justamomma
All I see here is major assumptions being made. Where's the proof that HAARP is being used as a weapon? Where is the proof that there are shapeshifting beings in positions of leaderships? Do you have anything besides a wild imagination to back up any of these claims you make? just curious
www.haarp.alaska.edu... The simple fact it's an "AirForce OWNED" site lets us know it's a military thing: www.haarp.alaska.edu...



posted on Oct, 1 2008 @ 05:25 PM
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military - of or relating to the study of the principles of warfare

hmm, sounds like a weapon to me. Just cause it doesn't explode things doesn't mean it ain't a weapon, and the fact that proving a hurricane is natural chaos or forced chaos just makes things harder



posted on Oct, 1 2008 @ 09:32 PM
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Originally posted by screamo
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military - of or relating to the study of the principles of warfare

hmm, sounds like a weapon to me. Just cause it doesn't explode things doesn't mean it ain't a weapon, and the fact that proving a hurricane is natural chaos or forced chaos just makes things harder
I am saying it's a weapon!!



posted on Oct, 1 2008 @ 10:08 PM
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So... because a website is owned by the Air Force and there is certain information on it, that automatically means it's a weapon?

I'm pretty sure there are plenty of things on several Air Force websites that aren't necessarily weapons.

Shattered OUT...



posted on Oct, 1 2008 @ 10:30 PM
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Another person harping about HAARP. HAARP is one of those great things that looks like a great conspiracy and even have people with puesdo-science education writing books that contain words with 4 to 5 syllables making the average person think there is something totally sinister about an experimental radio system.

There is only one, and only one military application for HAARP and none of them are mentioned in this thread or even close in guessing what it can do. Everything else it does is done on a propagation theory and HAARP runs announced tests on listed frequencies so the average guy with the proper radio equipment can listen to and report conditions back to the HAARP facility.

Personally, I think it polarizes the silver iodine being injected into chemtrails and then our skin absorbs said AgI and reacts with copious amount of fluoride from drinking fluoridated water our body has stored. We all know what happens after that ....



posted on Oct, 1 2008 @ 11:09 PM
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Originally posted by ShatteredSkies
So... because a website is owned by the Air Force and there is certain information on it, that automatically means it's a weapon?

I'm pretty sure there are plenty of things on several Air Force websites that aren't necessarily weapons.

Shattered OUT...
The website said the area where the HAARP thingy is on belongs to the AirForce, which means YOU wasted your time posting what you did THINKING you knew what you were talking about!!!



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