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Originally posted by MeanDirtyKiller
Originally posted by Beelzabub
Dude you know your screwed when
1 a bomber gets that close undetected
2 your alert 1 aircraft are off station and you dont have alert 2 to scramble
sounds a lot like the situation that we had in the U.S. about 7 years ago.
difference is, those were stealth 747s.
Originally posted by primamateria
Russian nuclear bomber flies undetected to within 20 miles of Hull
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A Russian nuclear stealth bomber was able to fly within 90 seconds of the British coast without being picked up by radar, it was revealed today.
The supersonic ‘Blackjack’ jet flew completely undetected to within just 20 miles from Hull in one of the worst breaches of British security since the end of the Cold War.
RAF radar eventually picked up the plane, but the only two pairs of fighter jets used for air alerts were on other duties.
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Originally posted by tommyc
Reports say it was late last year so it would have been around the time of this:
Russian Bombers Flew Undetected Across Arctic
Russian military planes flew undetected through the U.S. zone of the Arctic Ocean to Canada during recent military exercises, a senior Air Force commander said Saturday. The commander of the country's long-range strategic bombers, Lieutenant General Igor Khvorov, said the U.S. Air Force is now investigating why its military was unable to detect the Russian bombers. "They were unable to detect the planes either with radars or visually," he said.
Originally posted by citizen smith
damn...just 90 seconds short of getting rid of Hull
Originally posted by Beelzabub
reply to post by buddhasystem
Yup, however air space outside a countries borders are hotly contested, cause some claim for example 20 miles buffer outside their border which is a problem cause then their air space claims protrude into another countries physical border.
Originally posted by Pyros
Propaganda for sure.
Back in the 1970's the US knew when TU-95 Bear D's and Bear F's were going to sortie, even before they went "wheels up". Intel was usually good enough to even ID specific crews.
Russian radar emissions from large, fixed wing aircraft can usually be characterized as a) very powerful, and b) very unique. EW assets all over NATO and in orbit can pinpoint Russian bombers as soon as they start radiating.
The Blackjack is hardly a stealth bomber. It is a very advanced and formidable conventional bomber, but is lacks any true LO characteristics. Those things have the RCS of Rodan and ain't exactly easy to hide from even the most primitive MK I eyeball.
The TU-160 is the first bomber designed in Russia, and was initially designed to evade radar detection using stealth technology. Designers at Tupolev Aircraft Research and Development Company and other research institutions, created the aircraft combining the best features of the TU-22M and TU-95MC bombers, Russia's first supersonic passenger airliner TU-144 and other aircraft of that class.
The TU-160 employs a number of breakthrough ideas and solutions in its design, specifically the fins and stabilizers that can move in all directions. It can carry a payload of 45 tons and is designed to hold 12 cruise missiles. Unlike the B-1, which carries its weapons suspended on brackets, the TU-160 carries its cruise missiles and bombs inside two special modules.
Although the Tu-160 was designed for reduced detectability to both radar and infrared, it is not a stealth aircraft. Russian sources claim that it has a smaller radar cross section (RCS) than the B-1B. Nevertheless, on 25 April 2006 Commander Igor Khvorov claimed that Tu-160s had managed to penetrate the US Arctic zone undetected, leading to a NATO investigation. 
Remember, the difference between accurate reporting and what makes good press is often very great.
Originally posted by yellowcard
F-117s are slower but hardly uselsss, B-2s are not even in the same class as a BlackJack, a BlackJack is a lot more like the revised American B-1.
Considering most of the B-2 is top secret, I doubt anyone could say for sure that it would "fail miserably"
Originally posted by NorthWolfe CND
To call the "Blackjack", a poor copy of the B1 Lancer, a stealth bomber, is going a bit too far.
This just reveals the lac of funding to the RAF, that came with the British White Papers, of the 70's, and has left most of British airspace "free for all"...
Comparing, like some have, this peace of garbage with the B2 bomber is the same as comparing the Wildcat with the FA-18E...
Originally posted by Anonymous ATS
Anybody who has been even remotely associated with military intelligence would know that these Tu-160' s are being monitored by every asset available 24/7.
Odds are that they were followed from take off to landing by a variety of methods.
Blackjacks are not stealth, and were probably allowed to approach that closely to help us gain intelligence on their routing, command and control communications, data stream, encryptions ect. Both sides play this game.
Originally posted by Fang
Back on topic. The Bomber would have been tracked as soon as it left its airfield, perhaps even as it was taxing to the runway.
The Norwegian/Nato radar would have tracked it, we would have tracked it, our QRA's would have intercepted it, as usual, a tanker would have been moved to standby and whilst doing this the fighters would have bee replaced by another two on standby. This is a 'story' from the Daily Mail.