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What really happened today - by Michael C. Ruppert

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posted on Sep, 30 2008 @ 09:21 PM
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Racist much?


LOL, this guy blames the reason the president is "letting" the economy go to hell is to screw with a "black guy".

And then on to mention this will also be blamed on the "Jews" at some point.



Come on, the truth is, it really the fault of and evil midget empire.






posted on Sep, 30 2008 @ 09:39 PM
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I too think this guy is playing the democra v. Republican crap again.
Listen, as soon as the American people learn that the republicans and democrats are both responsible for the sorry state of our country we can move on and rebuild our nation. People get caught up too much in blaming the other party and its fueled by mainstream media, it makes me sick!



posted on Sep, 30 2008 @ 10:47 PM
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Allow me a few comments on this thread.

This Rupert guy is displaying clearly a pro-Bailout stance. He sounds like he wants to make this a Dem vs Rep issue. Pit different voters against each other. IMO believe was better that a no Bailout passed.
There are many things in to play since the credit exchange system is globalized. We cannot for instance fathom the mechanisms of this economic chaos because we also can't fathom the extend all other parameters are lending an influence to an event. For example we can't be sure at what extend the Russian oil/gas supply to Europe played a role, or Chinas advanced demands. Also any players that wish for the economy to go like this way or like that way are invisible to us, also their underlying motives. Motives are ussualy about control. Who helped Russia for instance to build their energy corridors across the whole Europe that resulted in a leveling up of their status? How could be possible that no one saw this coming? What about free energy? I am sure now any Russian goverment has all the reasons to go after any new invention or trend with a vengeance also just like the Amrrican gov is supposedly doing. China on the other hand is not, since they don't own major local resource spots, but they have nearly the 70% of global production at their soil. Upsetting the applecart would not be a bennefit to them now also. So who and why has given China all that enormous advantage of production over the whole globe and what for?

It is all about energy and who controls it. I don't know who predicted what. But I know that any good predictions should have taken in to account global tolerance levels of the current situation as it is from populace, and global trends or incidents that would help free energy or green ideas become mainstream.
While it seems we are rolling towards a "greener" future, it might be quite the opposite. More excuses for more totalitarian control are being given to major nations over resources that are supposedly depleating in a fast rate.

I would refrain on paying the ferryman, until I see the fat lady sing.

I hope my post was relevant.


[edit on 30-9-2008 by spacebot]



posted on Sep, 30 2008 @ 11:51 PM
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Tying the financial crises to the oil supply sounds like a good revealer of the NWO plans.
There are a lot of replacements for oil and oil products.
There is also a lot of suppression of everything alternative.



posted on Oct, 1 2008 @ 12:26 AM
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As I see it, the crash is over and rates will rise again. Why do I think so??
Well, it symbolism, that make things predictable.
Watch the number of the Dow decline: 777. Google that and you will find, what that means. Something like satanic revenge.
Now watch the curve of the Dow and you will see, they actually paint a devil into it. It's a demonstration of power, beyond all you could imagine.



posted on Oct, 1 2008 @ 12:39 AM
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One problem with your theory:

The Democrats just got control. Everyone keeps blaming them for bills in the past, but they just got control 2 years ago. Almost any legislation passed before then must have been approved by Republicans also.

Hell, for 6 years Republicans had executive and legislative control. So I'm a bit tired of hearing that all the damage was from the 90s and couldn't be fixed.

Democrats failed. Republicans failed. Quit blaming and looking for a solution.

[edit on 1-10-2008 by Sublime620]



posted on Oct, 1 2008 @ 01:25 AM
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Another of the many problems with this "story" is the fact that the democrats have the clear majority in the house. The republicans can't block anything if the democrats want it to pass.

It seems that there were plenty of democrats and republicans who had some problems with this bailout. (As do I.)



posted on Oct, 1 2008 @ 03:59 AM
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So I guess Jerome Corsi blames jews and blacks for our problems and we should listen to Ruppert instead of Corsi because he has always been right?

Sounds like a blame somebody but myself theory. Or blame people that I think I can't trust or whom I think are bad.

The world has been changing at a rapid rate, for all we know the dow could be up higher than ever in 12 months. Maybe this will all blow over, maybe not.

I think politicians have little effect over the rapid rate of change, if they did we would not have a internet and so on. People used to think our lives would be managed, the internet changed the game, and now the financial markets resemble the very nature of a leaderless reality. This will drive some people crazy, because they have to understand everything, but the main rule that exists would be a form of evolutionary anything goes, which represents the actual reality of nature. We have something like 160,000,000 species extinctions, or at least a bunch if that seems too high, so nothing can be thought of as permanent.



posted on Oct, 1 2008 @ 07:26 AM
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can we say who cares how it started, but care that all government officials are in on it and do not care what the minions (us) think or do! GWB is resposible as he is the leader in chief/captain of the boat and when it goes down, so shuold he. But he will be the 1st to the lifeboats. Crooks and Liars every last 1 of them!

Gerald Celente told everyone last year about this day! Why hasen't any1 mentions basel 2? I'm afraid we are in desperate times and the leaders need to be held accountable. Unfortunately pitchforks and wheels barrels are all we have to fight the mighty machine.

Get into your local communites, work, buy, and grow local. Also get ready as we are heading back to little house on the prairie times or even worst yet...



posted on Oct, 1 2008 @ 12:02 PM
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Mike Ruppert isn't pro bailout. He's confident of a crash because Peak Oil says this will come when oil production begins to drop below current levels.

He favours a fast crash to a slow burn because the former leaves infrastructure intact and gives the best hope of building a new economic paradigm.

The next post in his blog



posted on Oct, 1 2008 @ 01:42 PM
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I just wanted to point out something interesting, IMO.

There is a connection with what he says (The Oct 7, 2008). With what the web-bot has just predicted.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

If you don't know what the web-bot is:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Then there's the connection with Child Goodblossom. She says there will be a visit from the Galatic Federation of light on Oct 14th, 2008 and will stay in orbit for 3 - 24 hour periods and then leave. Leaving it up to us to figure out the truths and lies.
Yada yada yada, but the interesting connection is the Military action that the web-bot predicts on Oct 15th! Also that our emotions will run high for 5 to 6 months. I think an alien ship 1000's of miles wide would do that, and also finding out the decpection put upon us from 1000's of years ago. Just a thought.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

All I can say, is that is will be an interesting end to 2008! Hopefully we as a race come together to defeat evil and live in harmony in 2009. Very doubtful but one can always wish.

Love and Light to all!!



posted on Oct, 1 2008 @ 02:05 PM
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One problem with your theory:
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Here are the facts. This is what we are supposed to be doing here at ATS.

Jimmy carter and the liberal congress of 1979 passed the CRA or Community Reinvestment Act. It lowered bank lending standards so that lower income (read less qualified applicants) could get housing loans. Sounds like a great idea, right?
Clinton durring his time in office worked to further weaken requirements for applicants.
Various conservatives like Bush, McCain and many others tried to change or strengthen these lending standards because they foresaw disaster. Last time there was a conservative congress they tried and every time they tried someone like Obama, Frank, Dodds or Pelosi would cry racist. Conservatives hate to be called racist so every time they backed off.
The last 2 years Dodds and Frank had all the opportunity they needed to reform loan requirements and save the banks and Fannie and Freddie. Barney would always get up and say the banks aren't in trouble, if we change things we exclude a lot of lower income people from housing. (there are lots of stuff on U Tube showing this). Frank and Dodds are in powerful positions on the banking committee so when they said there was not a problem, no changes necessary, that carried weight. Accountability needed here? Obama, back when he was a street activist worked with ACORN. Part of his job was getting low income, poorly qualified applicants into housing loans so he was part of the problem also.
These are the facts, this is what caused the banking collapse. We need to educate ourselves about what happened and make a plan to solve it. So far democrats are overlooking, obfuscating and blaming others in the hope they won't loose many seats before people figure out that they are at the root of the problem. Hide your head, it won't go away.
Read: The Government Did It



posted on Oct, 1 2008 @ 02:10 PM
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That rhetoric still doesn't change the fact that conservatives have had every opportunity to stop this. Blaming liberals is a fallacy at best.

Democrats Take Control on Hill

Democrats took control of the House and Senate after 12 years of nearly unbroken Republican rule.


That puts conservatives in control of Congress from 1994-2006. That's 6-8 years of both Bush and Clinton's term. 12 out of 16 years. 6 of those years they have both legislative and executive control.

So spin it anyway you want. Maybe they backed off, or maybe they voted "No" until they could add enough pork to make it acceptable. Call it how you want to. But either way, republicans had to be complicit or else none of that could have passed.

*Edit to fix tags and add:

And I don't know if you've ever seen my posts, but I don't take kindly to people pointing me to a link to read it like I haven't brushed up on my own history.

Again, I never said Democrats didn't help cause this, but they certainly didn't do it on their own. Quit listening to Rush Limbaugh and realize that Republicans are fallible also.

[edit on 1-10-2008 by Sublime620]



posted on Oct, 1 2008 @ 03:33 PM
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This is very much a catch 22 situation. You blame the republicans for never doing anything for it when they had a chance. Others blame the banks and lending institutions for persuing these loan customers to vigorously and unfairly. But the base cause is the CRA legislation and the support of the legislation by the liberals I have mentioned.
We were having rampant boom and prosperity at the time and a president and some conservative lawmakers saw the hidden danger and tried to do something about it. It was hopeless, noone really wanted to stop the boom by tightening lending requirements. And there was Barney Franks and Chris Dodds on the banking committee saying everything will be just fine, stop being such a racist.
Really, the problem was embedded in society in general at the time. It was bound to happen. A similar thing was happening in England at the same time also. Hopefully we will learn from this!

Opps! edit to finish...




[edit on 1/10/08 by plumranch]



posted on Oct, 1 2008 @ 03:37 PM
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Excellent post. Much more correct analysis of the situation.

*Edit to add:

I want to point out, though, that I don't blame the Republicans. I think they both messed up. I was merely pointing out that the Republicans had Congressional control so it couldn't have been done without them.

[edit on 1-10-2008 by Sublime620]



posted on Oct, 1 2008 @ 05:48 PM
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As somebody or another said "That clown Barney Franks should be made posterboy for this whole disaster!" Does anyone honestly think he and Dodds will get what they deserve? How could they possibly have not seen this coming and been so wrong??



posted on Oct, 1 2008 @ 05:59 PM
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Yep, it's all due to peak oil, the same price that keeps dropping every day and the same substance that the Japanese and Soviets have proven that the world produces as part of the standard carbon cycle.

This is complete crap... The world's population is getting out of hand, but natural disasters, etc.. will take care of it.. The Governments of the world are not in charge, mother nature doesn't give a ..ck if they are there or not and for some reason the UN thinks they are in charge as well but are too dumb to realize they have no control at all.. Leave it to humans to think they are above the human race..

What it really comes down to is the hippy generation being lazy, stupid and having toxins floating around in their brains to the point they think they know what they are doing but they are in such a stupor they can't find their butts with both hands. They have destroyed everything their parents built because they are too stupid to make something of themselves.

[edit on 1-10-2008 by GrndLkNatv]



posted on Oct, 1 2008 @ 07:22 PM
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I contest your assertion that the Socialist Republicans engineered a rejection of a bailout for the criminal banks. There was a HUGE response online against forking over our money to the counterfeiters in the banks. THEY DON"T WARRANT ANYTHING, but possibly draw, hang, and quarter. The are traitors and thieves. The Socialist Republicans wanted to hand them our money. WE stopped them! WE MUST address the real problem, which is an acceptance of debt, and loaning out money which is not issued by the government, but by a private bank! Debt is always, ALWAYS the wrong choice. Without counterfeited money, the demand brings the prices down so the average wage earner can afford a house, and car. Increase the Money supply, and the price goes up, out of reach. Who benefits? The counterfeiting Bankers, and the politicians who accept their bribes thru the PACs. Legalized bribery. Address the real problems!



posted on Oct, 2 2008 @ 12:08 AM
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Wait a tick for a second...I thought the New Deal didn't DO anything...? It was in fact the war itself that ramped up our economy again.....wasn't it?

I hope I didn't just put my foot in my mouth, but that's what I thought...



posted on Oct, 2 2008 @ 12:16 AM
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Look into the ACORN thread on here. al Baraq Obama was one of the conspirators that forced these banks to make high risk loans, and they bombed now. So what do we do? Put one of the conspirators in charge of cleaning up the mess. And because he feels bad about costing them over a thousand billion dollars, he wants to give them OUR money, of course not his. In my opinion, these are all nonissues. THE issue is the banks counterfeiting our dollars. And bribing the Feds thru PACs to keep quiet. We must stop this counterfeiting, and the acceptibility of debt for life. Debt is NOT a normal or good thing. Unless you are a banker, counterfeiting the loans.





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