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reply posted on 8-12-2008 @ 03:20 AM by MegaTherion
reply to post by rufusdrak



I don't think the media is run by any particularly evil faction like the illuminati.

I think they tend to skew things because they are infected with a socio-economic meme-complex, a paradigm that results from being the people they are, born into or having lived in a certain socio-economic group for a long time.

so they just don't think about some aspects of a story, and assume things about their audience, meaning they form a judgement about a story, then try to tell you that story from that standpoint and usually it doesn't translate properly.

for instance, I was watching CNN the other day, and they had Ali Velshi et al on, and they were talking about, of course, the Big Three Auto Bailout.

they have this very naive way of missing some key concepts:

"The reason these companies put so much focus into SUVs was because that's what people wanted, you know, soccer moms who feel the need to drive a tank to the store to get groceries and so on..."

which is very cute and all, however, they forget that these people were SOLD the IDEA of the cars, I mean to say that the Oil industry and the Car industry decided to sell these gas guzzlers, and to do it, they used marketing to convince stupid people that they somehow ought to have these things.

example, for years, soccer moms have been watching TV and reading magazines and viewing websites with ads showing a soccer mom, that resembles who they think they ought to be, driving an SUV, and kids playing soccer, etc.

The news outlets forget how stupid we all can be. it's very juvenile, really:

a monkey sees another monkey with a stick, then decides that, as a monkey, it properly ought to have a stick too, and proceeds to get one, or steal the stick from the other monkey.

similar to things like BluRay. there is no real reason why we had to move from DVD to BlueRay other than Sony decided to make us all buy new hardware. a movie looks exactly the same on a DVD as it does on BluRay, exactly. they have you thinking that there's a real perceptible difference between the two, and of course there is a difference, but it's so minor that it makes no difference and you only notice if you are looking for it.

and yet here we are, buying these things. because the companies decided that dvds were getting too cheap, and that they really ought to make a new system to sell for an exorbitant fee.

I do go on.


reply posted on 9-12-2008 @ 01:25 AM by MegaTherion
reply to post by rufusdrak


dude, wait, what?

explain why this contradicts me, please. I have missed the point.


reply posted on 12-12-2008 @ 02:51 AM by MegaTherion
reply to post by Anonymous ATS



you are correct sir. Zombies. I think cell phones and iPods will do it, too.

like that Stephen King book, 'Cell'.

for this you get a free Hannity Macro!

enjoy!





reply posted on 12-12-2008 @ 03:26 AM by mmiichael
I am relatively new to ATS and have been mostly posting comments on things I see as misguided or sorely misinformed takes on subject I have some knowledge of. I try to balance this by noting there are some very thoughtful people on this forum who have brought forth new insights that have made me think differently.

I have worked in media on many levels, from journalist, to editor and even publisher. I stopped watching television in the early 90s, read few newspapers, a fair number of books and magazines, and rely more and more on selective Internet sources for current information.

There are many books, certain magazines, and a few newspapers that have material highly critical of the distorted and biased information prevalent in the major broadcast media and their bedfellows the newspaper chains.

Agenda driven misleading presentation of news is as old as reporting to the public. As bad as it may be these days, it is far more open to scrutiny, criticism, and reprimand than ever before. 100 years ago, people like William Randolph Hearst were able to virtually manufacture wars based on how they reported certain world events via their newspaper chains.

We now attach such a stigma to a new bad word ‘brainwashing’, the systematic repeated forced convincing of a mass audience of something implicitly untrue. But when wasn’t this tactic employed? Was there some Golden Age of honest reporting I don’t know about? Weren’t religions, nationalism, racism, among the earlier manifestations of ‘supposed’ brainwashing? Wasn’t the 20th Century innovation the incorporation of advertising into information dissemination, so that the same techniques could be used to get millions to think they needed certain manufactured items and purchasable lifestyles?

Is the internet the bastion of free thinking without prejudice and agenda some claim it to be?

The first post to initiate this thread, back at the end of September, when the presidential race was still on, included this sentence that made me choke on my imaginary beer in hand:


"These zionist corporate illuminati ruled outlets are attempting to brainwash all of you..."


Now maybe this is just metaphorical talk I should be accustomed to on a conspiracy site, but my critical radar goes up on seeing this grouping of words. Many questions come to mind reading this throway phrae that goes un contested. Are the people who strongly advocate a Jewish homeland in the Sinai Peninsula and their supporters synonymous with the corporate media conglomerates like Sony, Gulf & Western, etc? Are they somehow linked to the Secret Society started by Adam Weishaupt, that many think controls major world events like wars, political movements?

Or have some people been convinced of this through systematic repitition of this notion by people who conceivably are paranoid, but who may also be trying to sell them some sort of informarion package like a DVD, book, etc? Is it possible there are sources demonstrating with selective information and slanted reporting, that many people have come to believe they are being conspired against by organized malign bodies that mislead the masses through their media outlets?

Just a though that occurred to me.


Mike F


reply posted on 12-12-2008 @ 05:02 PM by wylekat

similar to things like BluRay. there is no real reason why we had to move from DVD to BlueRay other than Sony decided to make us all buy new hardware. a movie looks exactly the same on a DVD as it does on BluRay, exactly. they have you thinking that there's a real perceptible difference between the two, and of course there is a difference, but it's so minor that it makes no difference and you only notice if you are looking for it.


I had HD tv before HD tv was even a catch phrase- like 1990s. I simply had a tv card I tossed in the computer- and tweaked the picture via the video card's controls. I could watch TV Land's old shows in hi def so high, I actually managed to read Fred Mertz's newspaper in one episode! I was able to make out words, for pity's sake. Blu Ray? just a techogimmick. it took me *years* to finally get dvds.... the computer card tv setup was providing me with a VERY good picture. Then, the vcr died, and I had to get a new drive for the computer- figured, why not. This was 2005/ 2006, BTW.

Another thing that threw me off the techno train. I ran across a few websites with examples of how a new soundcard would sound, or something similar. Too bad the example was run on an old Soundblaster hooked to Stereo equipment and speakers.... The effect was incredible, and of course, nothing was the same sounding... but I tweaked my old hardware and got nearly the same sound quality. Shiny and new only happens when the old stuff breaks or simply cannot handle the demands I throw at it. New software gobbles up more processing power and memory, when it *should* be the other way around....

As for the NLP... Whether it's a fact or the media's just making like a huckster at a circus, Remember what Ol' Obi Wan said: 'the Force (or in this case, smooth words, NLP, what have you) has an effect on the weak minded' Dont weaken your mind with consumerism, stupid tv shows, reality shows, and celebrity private life pornography (which in my opinion is just that- porn), and your mind will NOT be weak. Read books. Question things.

I didn't own a tv for several years- had it for a few months while I was stuck out in the middle of nowhere- and learned very, very quickly what was safe to watch, and what was turning my mind into sludge. I actually could feel it happening.....


reply posted on 26-12-2008 @ 07:27 PM by AllTiedTogether
reply to post by rufusdrak



Seasons Greeting!

Just wanted to acknowledge all the hard work you put into this and the valuable info being passed also. They are bombarding us every moment of the day with NLP. Very recent threads have high occurrences of blatant NLP techniques being used.

I'm quite versed in NLP, have been reading about it for about 25yrs now. Have always made it a personal policy to not "practice" it on those that I know. This is not the policy being seen in the media. Ex One and two .

Let your friends know what they're doing. DON"T WATCH TV!!!
TV IS BAD and ERRONEOUS!!

All the best!
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