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Originally posted by TheHunted
reply to post by Terry_Dactyl
When we first entered Afghanistan there were no questions asked. After the Towers were brought down by supposed terrorist attacks patriotism swept across America. We all wanted to see the culprits brought to justice. Soldiers went over there willingly to provide a sense of safety to the people of America. This was before there was any evidence of a 9/11 inside job. Since then there has been mixed emotions about the true reason we are over there.
Same goes for the Iraq War. I can honestly say that majority of all soldiers agree that this war is suspect. The reason for this war has change many times. From Saddam Hussein being linked to terrorism, Iraq being in possession of WMD's, and the to be bring democracy to the Iraqi people. I cant give a raw number but from experience a majority of my contacts while I was on active duty accepted none of the above as our true reason being over there. When companies such as Haliburton (Cheney) receive billion dollar no bid contracts and Iraq being an oil rich country (Bush) it opens the minds of people regardless if they are military or civilian. Don't get me wrong, many servicemen and women still believe we are over there doing the right thing. But those who I have served with know that there is more then meets the eye.
Since the Bush Administration has been in office trust has been a huge issue in the Armed Forces. I'm sure you have heard this say quite a bit "When you join the military you have faith that your Commander In Chief will not place our soldiers in harms way if not necessary." Which he has done for nearly six years in Iraq. So faith and morale is down in our military, just check out the latest military suicide rates. They have been predicted to surpass the civilian rate. Soldiers are not too happy now days.
I cant speak for all soldiers but I believe Large Corporation is the Government, refer back to my Iraq comment.
I'm not into making predictions but I will share my thoughts. I do believe that in the future a civil uprising may occur. Officials that we elect in to office to represent the us as citizens are not doing their jobs. Once elected into office they pursue their own personal agenda which of is course fattening their own pockets and the pockets of CEO's. There will be a time where the fate of our survival as human beings will depend on taking back America. The only way to do so will be physically taking it back. Thats why I believe soldiers would side with the public. They are affected by the same recession/depression as us. We may wear different footwear but we require the same necessities.
Originally posted by OldMedic
Brainwashing? Whoever wrote that has obviously never spent a moment in the American military.
Yes, if armed citizens revolted against the US, the Military would defend the government. This has happened in the past (read about the Whiskey Rebellion or about the Civil War).
And that's exactly what they should do. The citizenry do not have the right to raise arms against the government, without paying the consequences for such actions.
Originally posted by hypervigilant
reply to post by OldMedic
I, like every Marine that had a free will and sense of individuality was brainwashed. That is the most important part of the process that is used to turn teenage boys into a person that never questions an authority figure, and follows orders. Yes it worked, we killed people that were designated to be a threat to the American way of life. Guess what they weren't a threat, to our way of life at all. We became disillusioned, but the people that watch all of the John Wayne movies and didn't see the tons of weapons, munitions, food, clothing, aircraft and dead bodies, were buying into to the same brainwashing until over 58000 Americans and who knows how many Vietnamese were sacrificed for corporate profits. Now the citizens of this country are under attack by the same corporations that have prospered financially, from the blood shed by the people on both sides of the wars that were forced on them by using scare tactics and lies that were accepted as truth by the citizens. Every one has been brainwashed. Do you remember the American Revolution, taxation without representation, the Constitution? Are you one that would choose to side with an oppressive government that would use its law enforcement, military, and even mercenaries with no oath of allegiance to the constitution? The issue here isn't about the citizenry attacking or firing rounds at anyone, it is about the loyalty of the military to the people of this country and upholding the oath to defend the Constitution from foreign and domestic threats. If you were in the military you took the same oath.