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Do You Believe Our Military Would Not Defend The American People?

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posted on Oct, 2 2008 @ 10:40 AM
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Here is a video website that talks about the Stanford student experiment.

Welcome to the Stanford Prison Experiment web site, which features an extensive slide show and information about this classic psychology experiment, including parallels with the abuse of prisoners at Abu Ghraib. What happens when you put good people in an evil place? Does humanity win over evil, or does evil triumph? These are some of the questions we posed in this dramatic simulation of prison life conducted in the summer of 1971 at Stanford University.
How we went about testing these questions and what we found may astound you. Our planned two-week investigation into the psychology of prison life had to be ended prematurely after only six days because of what the situation was doing to the college students who participated. In only a few days, our guards became sadistic and our prisoners became depressed and showed signs of extreme stress. Please join me on a slide tour describing this experiment and uncovering what it tells us about the nature of human nature.
www.prisonexp.org...

I first saw the video of this experiment on you tube. There is a video series from a guy called the Anti Terrorist
video.google.com...

He showed how normal men would turn against the public and this was one of the videos he showed. This is the same thing that happened in Germany so it is a fact that this is possible given the right circumstances. Also if you listen to "behold a pale white horse" by William Cooper he speaks of protecting the nation womb.

"Most people want to be free to do things but they are afraid to fail. The fear of failure is manifested in irresponsibility, and especially in delegating those personal responsibilities to others where success is uncertain or carries possible or created liabilities (law) which the person is not prepared to accept. They want authority (root word - "author"), but they will not accept responsibility or liability. So they hire politicians to face reality for them.

The people hire the politicians so that the people can: (1) obtain security without managing it. (2) obtain action without thinking about it. (3) inflict theft, injury, and death upon others without having to contemplate either life or death. (4) avoid responsibility for their own intentions. (5) obtain the benefits of reality and science without exerting themselves in the discipline of facing or learning either of these things.

They give the politicians the power to create and manage a war machine to: (1) provide for the survival of the nation/womb. (2) prevent encroachment of anything upon the nation/womb. (3) destroy the enemy who threatens the nation/womb. (4) destroy those citizens of their own country who do not conform for the sake of stability of the nation/womb. Politicians hold many quasi-military jobs, the lowest being the police which are soldiers, the attorneys and the CPAs next who are spies and saboteurs (licensed), and the judges who shout the orders and run the closed union military shop for whatever the market will bear. The generals are industrialists. The "presidential" level of commander-in-chief is shared by the international bankers.

THE DRAFT
Few efforts of human behavior modification are more remarkable or more effective than that of the socio-military institution known as the draft. A primary purpose of a draft or other such institution is to instill, by intimidation, in the young males of a society the uncritical conviction that the government is omnipotent." www.paranoiamagazine.com...

Cooper is the real person that predicted 911
www.youtube.com...


www.youtube.com... Behold a pale white horse audio on you tube in several parts be forewarned later Cooper retracted his belief in Majestic 12 because he believed it was disinformation.




posted on Oct, 2 2008 @ 02:34 PM
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Originally posted by Anonymous ATS
He showed how normal men would turn against the public and this was one of the videos he showed. This is the same thing that happened in Germany so it is a fact that this is possible given the right circumstances...


possible and probable are two different things

Germany is always a good example - and what you're saying is absolutely true

but while Germans were faced with some ugly choices - and went with the ugliest, they were also united against a common enemy in an actual war at the time of a crippling and philosophy altering depression - presenting a different set of variables

that war made it possible to manipulate in a way that might not have been possible otherwise

anyone who has a suspicious nature should pay good attention to the conflicting and converging amount of circumstances involved in Germany - because I believe you are right - it could happen anywhere

that doesn't mean it will happen - and it's worth thinking about

where do we stand in all this?

I'm no polyanna - I know what we are all capable of

I think assuming that someone in the military is somehow less capable of independent thought than everyone else is not realistic - or honest



posted on Oct, 2 2008 @ 04:23 PM
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Thanks to all the soldiers who have replied to this thread. You have confirmed everything that I believe. The Armed Forces will protect the American people.

A message to all civilians: Do not turn our soldiers into your enemy, only then will they have to defend themselves against you.

Also, make friendship with as many military personel as possible and explain that there may be a time we must unite and fight the evil forces.

Spread the word to EVERYONE that you know.



posted on Oct, 2 2008 @ 04:42 PM
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reply to post by TheHunted
 


Hey bro, don't forget to thank the Marines as well......

Hooraahhh!!!!!!!!!



posted on Oct, 2 2008 @ 04:52 PM
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Originally posted by jam321
reply to post by TheHunted
 


Hey bro, don't forget to thank the Marines as well......

Hooraahhh!!!!!!!!!


To all those Marines specifically Jam321 and Hypervigilante THANK YOU....



posted on Oct, 2 2008 @ 09:47 PM
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I joined the military twenty yeasrs ago so that I could assess the psychology of the individual and collective soldier and the leadership. I found that a high percentage of soldiers and their leaders were intent upon doing the right things in certain cirrcumstances. I trust the military to be of the same calibre today. Men and women who swore an oath to THE CONNSTITUTION of the USA. Given that, they like others must follow orders throughout the course of their day and tour of duties. So they will defend the citizens of the USA as long as the citizen is not violating someone else's constitutional rights. They will follow orders as long as the orders do not charge them to violate constitutional rights of the citizens.



posted on Oct, 2 2008 @ 10:43 PM
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reply to post by TheHunted
 


Dude ! you just blew my cover .


Its just good to see my old unit buddies on the board . Keep it coming my old friend and I'll see you on the flip side .
Here we go again .



posted on Oct, 2 2008 @ 11:10 PM
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reply to post by reconpilot
 


My bad, I didn't know you were undercover. You gotta communicate these things to me.



posted on Oct, 3 2008 @ 03:51 AM
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I'd like to ask a couple questions if I could Hunted. I know you're not the spokesperson for army personnel but your viewpoint would be appreciated.

Do the soldiers, in your opinion, generally think that the reasons for invading Afghanistan and Iraq were acceptable? Is there or was there any question as to the "real" intentions of going there? Has not finding Osama Bin Laden and WMD's in Iraq dampened morale somewhat or caused soldiers to question the motivation of having invaded these countries in the first place? Are there soldiers you know of who have the opinion that 911 seemed suspicious or that the government is not being truthful about the event?

How much trust would you say yourself and soldiers you know have for the government in general? Would you believe that the government, and in turn the military, may be being manipulated by large corporations?

A couple of times it almost sounded as if you were genuinely concerned that there might be civil unrest at some point in the near future, or some form of domestic threat. Do you think this is a possibility and why?

I know that's probably a few too many questions as it is so I'll leave it at that. Don't feel obligated to answer all or any if you don't feel like it.

If there are any other soldiers who want express their opinions on the matter, go for it. This is a conspiracy site after all and many people here, and many who don't even post on the internet at all, are genuinely concerned that soldiers may be deployed against "dissenters" and the like within US borders, at the behest of a government that is being manipulated by corporations. So it is good to actually hear from the people from the forces what they think about these matters.

Kindest Regards



posted on Oct, 3 2008 @ 08:27 AM
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People are chomping at the bit to overturn the current government because this its not a legitimate government.

There *are* dark forces at work -- in our government. 9/11, agressive wars, torture, rape, murder of detainees, massive theft directly and thru contractors, and now we have these same dark forces trying to transfer massive wealth to foreign nationals (bailout).

It's time to flush this toilet, but unfortunately our police and military are propping up this massive turd. They will detain us, steal from us and kill us. Just following orders......



posted on Oct, 3 2008 @ 05:45 PM
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Originally posted by TheHunted
reply to post by reconpilot
 


My bad, I didn't know you were undercover. You gotta communicate these things to me.


well of course im undercover ! what other cover is there ?
Well its blown now ,no going back . My superior officer will be stroking his chin over this one .
Did the lads tell you the trick they pulled on me with the engine block ?
Argh ,the humiliation . And my daughter is kicking my ass in to next tuesday in training .



posted on Oct, 3 2008 @ 07:49 PM
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Here's my fear, and its based upon a fact.

If the Army is used against us, what's to say that the brutality that's been occurring with the Police (also citizens, our friends, so on) will not go further on a bigger scale.

The corrupt police state of our nation is at an all time high state. 1000s die in Police custody a year and a quarter of our population is now behind bars. How and when did the police take over role of Judge Jury and Executioner?

That's right, they are above the law because "they are the law."

What's that say about the ability of a man/woman to turn against their own people. It speaks volumes.

Whose to say the military won't be worse then the police. Considering the 100000s of citizens that have died in Iraq for instance, it wouldn't be good for us if Military was turned against us, to serve and protect (ha).

There are good people in the Police, and yes they try to better our society.

and...

There are good people in the military and they try to better our society.

However...

There also also power hungry maniacs in both positions who crave power. Give them the ability to kill without recourse, and its a problem. Just imagine the carnage that is occurring now with our police on a mass scale.

Military kills one protester, more people rise up, Military then kills more, more people rise up, until you have a civil war ( I hope this doesn't come to that, but it very may well one day when looking how messed up everything is).

It's even scarier when you consider that military is used on a mass scale, so its more of a faceless issue, groups of enemies not single people. I guess the police are not going to be able to stop what may happen, thus the need, but it doesn't make it right. God help us.

Also, look at History, our past Civil War... Just the fact that it happened, Brother against Brother, Father against son. Anythings possible.

I only pray that if it came down to the Military taking out groups of protesters (call them whatever you want, they are not home grown terrorists), hopefully they will realize that they are not enemies that deserve to die. And will turn there guns on the corrupt leadership that are ordering this. We could only hope. I pray they wake up to the bs orders that have ruined our earth.

I say, despite past propaganda against them, bring out the militias. I think I'm going to sign up for my State's Militia. It's the only safe guard against what may happen. Militias are the only protection against the use of our Military against us. I would rather die fighting for my rights, and my families rights, then bow down to any plan these maniacs have for us or to the barrel of a evil gungho whose just following orders.

I hope one day, that everyone in the military wakes up, and realizes that they haven't been protecting a constitution in probably a century and turn on their slave masters (just because they have the guns, doesn't make them free).

The military are now the security for the elite, nothing more. When was their last moral fight? Last I heard, people were being butchered in Africa, ethnically cleansed, what's going on there??? yeah I thought so.

I could only hope that everyone wakes up and realizes that it's all a bunch of BS. I may have a little one on the way soon, and I sometimes wonder how I will protect him/her from all of this blood, this terrible way that has fallen our species. We need help, and its not in the form of tanks and checkpoints and ID paper requests.

My Grand Father, and my Great Grand Father were both in the Navy. They served our nation and our interests. I could only imagine the tears that would swell in their eyes when seeing this occur. They had dignity. They had honor. They would not just let this happen.

Ah....this world is nothing but Rich men playing their games and we are just the game pieces. Such a sad thing . Such a sad way to live.

God Help us all. I just hope the good people in the military outnumber the evil.

[edit on 3-10-2008 by squidboy]



posted on Oct, 3 2008 @ 08:12 PM
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I have a friend who has been in the military for 12 years. I asked this very question. Would the troops fire on the citizens of this country if ordered to ? The answer without hesitation was YES.

I asked why? The answer was because it is a direct order and I will have to shoot or be shot. Although this person did admit to me they could not fire on family and friends, but also told me they wouldn't be put where that would be an issue.

As for the question to the original post, Kent State keeps coming to mind. It's been done before at protests which was far less serious than economics to TPTB. Why not again ?



[edit on 3-10-2008 by seejanerun]



posted on Oct, 3 2008 @ 08:24 PM
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Ask your friend if he had training on "Unlawful Orders". He will probably tell you yes.

But notice he said he would shoot only not to be shot himself. I don't care if you are military or civilian that's survival tactics.



posted on Oct, 3 2008 @ 09:30 PM
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Soldiers are people to and the whole brainwashing thing seriously folks brainwashing? is this skunkworks (*sniffs* the air) no problem here. Everything can be answered with the quite famous latin phrase Sic semper evello mortem Tyrannis. Even these "brainwashed" (giggle) soldiers would have a hard time subdueing the masses. Oh well we already know how most people feel about our military so most of the answers will and have been very very biased. Soldiers are just people doing a job, i dont think they are SOLDIERS like in that ol kurt russel movie which rocked hard by the way.



posted on Oct, 3 2008 @ 10:17 PM
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Its not brainwashed persay but conditioned ..

Just like 80 to 90 % of the population are by the Media,Video games ..movies ..etc etc ............




[edit on 3-10-2008 by Simplynoone]



posted on Oct, 3 2008 @ 10:29 PM
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You want to see what our military is capable of? Try here:

action.aclu.org...

These people have been conditioned to warfare and they won't hesitiate to use the same tactics (and others) on us.




Want to see what our police are capable of? Try here:

www.badcopnews.com...



These people have been conditioned to the war on drugs and the war on civil liberties. Many of these people won't hesitiate to use the same tactics on us.



posted on Oct, 3 2008 @ 11:45 PM
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"Nine times out of ten an average person will torture and kill someone if a charismatic person in authority tells them to do so."

However, I personally doubt that even the majority of the Armed Forces would attack their own citizenry under orders, especially ambiguous orders, but some would, and that some is some too many.



posted on Oct, 4 2008 @ 12:00 AM
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after 911 and Katrina things really changed everywhere ..especially among police and army etc ...

The Cops were told in our small town even ..to stop making friends out of the community ...(we all know eachother in this town) the ones who could not do that were pretty much replaced with city cops from Dallas and big cities etc ..

Now they all walk around like rambo ...and that we are all their enemies ..

Its very strange to see this in our small town ..

They pull people over for almost NOTHING and give out fines .....at least 5 out of ten people I know get tickets and fines for anything and everything ....(even a no turn signal on a dead end road) for real ...they need revenue There was even a right up in our local paper from a citizen who used to be a sitting judge in our town (for just a short time ) ...he brought up the fact that many people in our small courts are found guilty and fined for the smallest little things .....and too many tickets are given just for revenue .
I believe since 911 alot of funds were cut off to fed state and local ..(the towns that didnt qualify for Homeland Security funds) and this is where it led them ...taking it from the pockets of its citizens ..

And they are almost all being conditioned to look at us all as their potential enemies ...and they seem to be believing it ...


[edit on 4-10-2008 by Simplynoone]



posted on Oct, 4 2008 @ 01:05 PM
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When we first entered Afghanistan there were no questions asked. After the Towers were brought down by supposed terrorist attacks patriotism swept across America. We all wanted to see the culprits brought to justice. Soldiers went over there willingly to provide a sense of safety to the people of America. This was before there was any evidence of a 9/11 inside job. Since then there has been mixed emotions about the true reason we are over there.

Same goes for the Iraq War. I can honestly say that majority of all soldiers agree that this war is suspect. The reason for this war has change many times. From Saddam Hussein being linked to terrorism, Iraq being in possession of WMD's, and the to be bring democracy to the Iraqi people. I cant give a raw number but from experience a majority of my contacts while I was on active duty accepted none of the above as our true reason being over there. When companies such as Haliburton (Cheney) receive billion dollar no bid contracts and Iraq being an oil rich country (Bush) it opens the minds of people regardless if they are military or civilian. Don't get me wrong, many servicemen and women still believe we are over there doing the right thing. But those who I have served with know that there is more then meets the eye.

Since the Bush Administration has been in office trust has been a huge issue in the Armed Forces. I'm sure you have heard this say quite a bit "When you join the military you have faith that your Commander In Chief will not place our soldiers in harms way if not necessary." Which he has done for nearly six years in Iraq. So faith and morale is down in our military, just check out the latest military suicide rates. They have been predicted to surpass the civilian rate. Soldiers are not too happy now days.

I cant speak for all soldiers but I believe Large Corporation is the Government, refer back to my Iraq comment.

I'm not into making predictions but I will share my thoughts. I do believe that in the future a civil uprising may occur. Officials that we elect in to office to represent the us as citizens are not doing their jobs. Once elected into office they pursue their own personal agenda which of is course fattening their own pockets and the pockets of CEO's. There will be a time where the fate of our survival as human beings will depend on taking back America. The only way to do so will be physically taking it back. Thats why I believe soldiers would side with the public. They are affected by the same recession/depression as us. We may wear different footwear but we require the same necessities.




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