TSW That is an interesting one!
Good find!
VIDEO UFO - Anomaly found on old archive footage, page 1
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Topic started on 29-9-2008 @ 12:53 PM by the secret web
www.youtube.com...
(Watch at the very end of the footage)
This is something I've just come across that at the very least should rule out at least a 99% chance of it being a fake. As you may or may not know from my past posts I don't usually put a lot of store by YouTube ufo videos for obvious reasons. But I've been subscribing to the above users channel for some time who uploads archive footage as it is digitised in what is(most times) an unedited way.
The last thing I expected to see was a UFO video to show up.... Watch at the very end of this unedited video for the very fast moving object. Now as this guy has uploaded 247 videos of old WW2 footage with no ufo's this is either a real anomaly (I'm hesitant to call it a ufo just yet) or the biggest and longest 'setup' in history. The footage is from the Romano Archives that can be reached at the link below.
Romano Archives
So what is it? I haven't a clue, I'm not a plane or WW2 buff but whatever it is, its worth looking into a bit more I feel. I'll see if I can get a higher res copy of it to look at, as I feel it'll help more than any encoded YouTube version will to get to the bottom of it.
So what possibilities are there? Well it could be real and something this guy found as he claimed by accident after digitising the footage, or it could be simply a bored archivist with way too much time on his hands. Or it could be something much more ordinary such as insect close to the camera. If it is indeed something that is on the original film version from back then in the pacific theatre during WW2 then it sort of rules out many hoax possibilities (but obviously not all.)
Thoughts?
Wayne...
[edit on 29/9/2008 by the secret web]
(Watch at the very end of the footage)
This is something I've just come across that at the very least should rule out at least a 99% chance of it being a fake. As you may or may not know from my past posts I don't usually put a lot of store by YouTube ufo videos for obvious reasons. But I've been subscribing to the above users channel for some time who uploads archive footage as it is digitised in what is(most times) an unedited way.
The last thing I expected to see was a UFO video to show up.... Watch at the very end of this unedited video for the very fast moving object. Now as this guy has uploaded 247 videos of old WW2 footage with no ufo's this is either a real anomaly (I'm hesitant to call it a ufo just yet) or the biggest and longest 'setup' in history. The footage is from the Romano Archives that can be reached at the link below.
Romano Archives
So what is it? I haven't a clue, I'm not a plane or WW2 buff but whatever it is, its worth looking into a bit more I feel. I'll see if I can get a higher res copy of it to look at, as I feel it'll help more than any encoded YouTube version will to get to the bottom of it.
So what possibilities are there? Well it could be real and something this guy found as he claimed by accident after digitising the footage, or it could be simply a bored archivist with way too much time on his hands. Or it could be something much more ordinary such as insect close to the camera. If it is indeed something that is on the original film version from back then in the pacific theatre during WW2 then it sort of rules out many hoax possibilities (but obviously not all.)
Thoughts?
Wayne...
[edit on 29/9/2008 by the secret web]
reply posted on 29-9-2008 @ 02:14 PM by ufoorbhunter
reply to post by the secret web
Well I can see one ufo orb zooming from left to right while at the same time I think there's another in the centre of the same bit of footage. If it's real then it looks like the foo Fighters seen all over the world at the time. The US carrier is probably in the Pacific. Some ufo orbs were seen there during the war 'though found fame in the skies over Germany. Time to check the screen again for more. Nice find btw.
Well I can see one ufo orb zooming from left to right while at the same time I think there's another in the centre of the same bit of footage. If it's real then it looks like the foo Fighters seen all over the world at the time. The US carrier is probably in the Pacific. Some ufo orbs were seen there during the war 'though found fame in the skies over Germany. Time to check the screen again for more. Nice find btw.
reply posted on 29-9-2008 @ 02:17 PM by ufoorbhunter
reply to post by the secret web
Maybe it's just one. The one in the centre may be a plane from take off.
Maybe it's just one. The one in the centre may be a plane from take off.
reply posted on 2-10-2008 @ 07:10 AM by internos
the secret web , thank you to for sharing this VERY interesting footage: in my humble opinion this is a VERY interesting find: if it's NOT a
glitch or dirth or similar, as already suggested, then this is not something that can be easily dismissed as a bird, a bug, a balloon etc...
But i would be interested in seeing some example of dirth producing THIS same effect or a very close one: of course i'm not ruling it out, just would like to see some example: i've seen many types of odd, very odd effects produced by glitches, dust, dirth, moisture, anomalies in the film emulsion etc, so i'm aware that it's a possible explanation, but an example would be very useful, especially if reproducing the same appearance and (even roughly) the same path.
Wayne, today i had the pleasure to email Mr. Vincent Romano (in italian), in order to share with him some informations about ATS and to know more about him and his projects (he's probably reading us now: i've sent him the link to this thread):
i've also asked him if there were any chances to watch the relevant scene, not affected by YouTube's lossy compression:
He has been so kind to share with us a MPEG4 Hi-Def version of the footage, imported straight from the Dv format one.
So now we have the chance to watch this video in its best version presently available.
I would like to express to him my gratitude for this.
He is doing a professional work with his business, which target are TV channels or other journalistic sources: his work is being recognized worldwide, some of his youtube channel stats can be found here: romanoarchives.altervista.org...
UnknownWW2InColor's channel awards:
#7 - Most Subscribed (All Time) - Italy
#19 - Most Viewed (All Time) - Reporters - Global
#1 - Most Viewed (All Time) - Reporters - Italy
uk.youtube.com...
Whatever this turns out to be, that's one of the most interesting channels i've ever seen on YouTube, and i find the whole project to be very interesting: of course i will watch all the stuff in that channel.
As said, the dust explanation can't be dismissed, but at the status quo is as valid as the theory that what we see is an actual object caught on tape:
The MPEG4 Hi-Def version of the video can be downloaded HERE (right click and save target as).
File type: mp4
File size: 2.83 MB
Duration: 14,76 seconds
Frames: 369
The UFO comes in sight at: sec. 10,56
Fig. 1
This is a screenshot of the Hi-Def version, grabbed right after the UFO comes in sight
the quality, given the circumstances, is relatively good, IMHO
The first thing i've noticed is the bright appearance of the object: it looks to be some object with a metallic or reflectant surface: i doubt that an opaque object would have this appearance in this case: it also may suggest some "external" origin, (glitch, dirth etc) but i may be wrong (and it wouldn't be the first time )
Fig.2
Enlargement with pixel resize by a factor of 21
Fig.3
Enlargement with bicubic resample by a factor of 21
Fig.4
Enlargement with bicubic resample by a factor of 21: brightness -58, contrast + 29%.
These enhancements are relatively useful, since the shape of the object shifts (at least apparently) in each frame
But in my opinion, we can almost rule out birds, bugs etc: i'd say that it looks to be some irregular sphere, i'm not sure though.
The most interesting facet of the video is the path of the object:
Fig.5
[size=1]Rough reconstruction of its path: of course it's not 100% correct, but it does make the point: right before vanishing from sight, the object changes path in a way that makes us safetly rule out balloons or other stuff moved by the wind or simply thrown into the air.[/size]
Fig. 6
Here seems to be clear that there is (at least apparently) a couple of objects (in some frame they look to be three, in some even more, but it could besome motion blur effect, just pointing it out). Also the change of path becomes obvious with the two objects outlined.
Of course, there could be some mundane explanation, but my take on this one is that if it's not some kind of glitch/dust/dirth etc., then it's something of extremely interesting and not easy to explain: in this case, Foo fighters come to mind: look forward to read more comments about this one: just my 2 cents
Grazie ancora, Vincenzo!
But i would be interested in seeing some example of dirth producing THIS same effect or a very close one: of course i'm not ruling it out, just would like to see some example: i've seen many types of odd, very odd effects produced by glitches, dust, dirth, moisture, anomalies in the film emulsion etc, so i'm aware that it's a possible explanation, but an example would be very useful, especially if reproducing the same appearance and (even roughly) the same path.
Wayne, today i had the pleasure to email Mr. Vincent Romano (in italian), in order to share with him some informations about ATS and to know more about him and his projects (he's probably reading us now: i've sent him the link to this thread):
i've also asked him if there were any chances to watch the relevant scene, not affected by YouTube's lossy compression:
He has been so kind to share with us a MPEG4 Hi-Def version of the footage, imported straight from the Dv format one.
So now we have the chance to watch this video in its best version presently available.
I would like to express to him my gratitude for this.
He is doing a professional work with his business, which target are TV channels or other journalistic sources: his work is being recognized worldwide, some of his youtube channel stats can be found here: romanoarchives.altervista.org...
UnknownWW2InColor's channel awards:
#7 - Most Subscribed (All Time) - Italy
#19 - Most Viewed (All Time) - Reporters - Global
#1 - Most Viewed (All Time) - Reporters - Italy
uk.youtube.com...
Whatever this turns out to be, that's one of the most interesting channels i've ever seen on YouTube, and i find the whole project to be very interesting: of course i will watch all the stuff in that channel.
As said, the dust explanation can't be dismissed, but at the status quo is as valid as the theory that what we see is an actual object caught on tape:
The MPEG4 Hi-Def version of the video can be downloaded HERE (right click and save target as).
File type: mp4
File size: 2.83 MB
Duration: 14,76 seconds
Frames: 369
The UFO comes in sight at: sec. 10,56
Fig. 1
This is a screenshot of the Hi-Def version, grabbed right after the UFO comes in sight
the quality, given the circumstances, is relatively good, IMHO
The first thing i've noticed is the bright appearance of the object: it looks to be some object with a metallic or reflectant surface: i doubt that an opaque object would have this appearance in this case: it also may suggest some "external" origin, (glitch, dirth etc) but i may be wrong (and it wouldn't be the first time
) Fig.2
Enlargement with pixel resize by a factor of 21
Fig.3
Enlargement with bicubic resample by a factor of 21
Fig.4
Enlargement with bicubic resample by a factor of 21: brightness -58, contrast + 29%.
These enhancements are relatively useful, since the shape of the object shifts (at least apparently) in each frame
But in my opinion, we can almost rule out birds, bugs etc: i'd say that it looks to be some irregular sphere, i'm not sure though.
The most interesting facet of the video is the path of the object:
Fig.5
[size=1]Rough reconstruction of its path: of course it's not 100% correct, but it does make the point: right before vanishing from sight, the object changes path in a way that makes us safetly rule out balloons or other stuff moved by the wind or simply thrown into the air.[/size]
Fig. 6
Here seems to be clear that there is (at least apparently) a couple of objects (in some frame they look to be three, in some even more, but it could besome motion blur effect, just pointing it out). Also the change of path becomes obvious with the two objects outlined.
Of course, there could be some mundane explanation, but my take on this one is that if it's not some kind of glitch/dust/dirth etc., then it's something of extremely interesting and not easy to explain: in this case, Foo fighters come to mind: look forward to read more comments about this one: just my 2 cents
Grazie ancora, Vincenzo!
reply posted on 2-10-2008 @ 02:50 PM by stringue
Thanks for the footage OP, I didn't find the cause of the anomaly, however the same footage is elsewhere online, the clip is of Grumman Hellcats
taking off likely for the "Marianas Turkey Shoot 1944" as this is referenced on other clips online.
There is sharper footage here (click high resolution);
And less high quality footage here, and on metacafe here. These are all both by different authors to the Romano Archives.
I am kinda erring to lens flare or internal reflection (have seen a few online elsewhere) don't know really! However going with a foo fighter in the high quality link above as the object dissapears to the frame at the right there almost looks like a shock cone formed briefly at the far right (hard to spot!) reminded me of this ex. Thanks OP.
There is sharper footage here (click high resolution);
And less high quality footage here, and on metacafe here. These are all both by different authors to the Romano Archives.
I am kinda erring to lens flare or internal reflection (have seen a few online elsewhere) don't know really! However going with a foo fighter in the high quality link above as the object dissapears to the frame at the right there almost looks like a shock cone formed briefly at the far right (hard to spot!) reminded me of this ex. Thanks OP.
reply posted on 3-10-2008 @ 04:21 AM by internos
reply to post by stringue
Stringue, have a star from me:
Mr. Romano just sent me a message in order to clarify this point:
the videos in question were extracted from an english documentary of which he had the original: the metacafe version (of which Mr. Romano wasn't aware), is the one with the original sound: at the start of his activity on YouTube, Mr Romano himself published that version, with a soundtrack instead of the original audio:
it.youtube.com...
while the other copies available on youtube were most likely downloaded and re-uploaded (check their dates).
The "cleanest" version of all ones is the one that can be found in my previous post: it is the one which was extracted straight from the original footage, then recorded on vhs, basically it's the one with less compression.
Now, regarding lens flares and / or internal reflection: they are the first option i consider whenever i watch videos: in this specific case we have not just a variation in the path of the object(s), but also a counter-clockwise rotation: this should be determined by:
a) Rotation of camera (and it does not rotate)
b) Rotation of the light source (or reflectant surface) which determined them: no light sources can be spotted in the field of sight, but this possible explanation could stand, because we could have (out of sight) some light sources which determined the effect: but they should be moving ones, their change of path should have been determined by some deliberate movement, and theis rotation as well: this is why i don't consider it the most likely explanation, but i have to add that the rotation occours when the change of path takes place (and that's a clue
).
Thank you for your very good contribute
reply to post by the secret web
Wayne, i remeber the great work you did on the Hoeillart triagle video:
one thing that we know for sure is that the acceleration were NOT determined by the camera movement: so, whatever is their source, is some external one (actual object, out of sight moving and rotating light source, etc): i look forward to see a stabilized version
[edit on 3/10/2008 by internos]
Stringue, have a star from me:
Mr. Romano just sent me a message in order to clarify this point:
the videos in question were extracted from an english documentary of which he had the original: the metacafe version (of which Mr. Romano wasn't aware), is the one with the original sound: at the start of his activity on YouTube, Mr Romano himself published that version, with a soundtrack instead of the original audio:
it.youtube.com...
while the other copies available on youtube were most likely downloaded and re-uploaded (check their dates).
The "cleanest" version of all ones is the one that can be found in my previous post: it is the one which was extracted straight from the original footage, then recorded on vhs, basically it's the one with less compression.
Now, regarding lens flares and / or internal reflection: they are the first option i consider whenever i watch videos: in this specific case we have not just a variation in the path of the object(s), but also a counter-clockwise rotation: this should be determined by:
a) Rotation of camera (and it does not rotate)
b) Rotation of the light source (or reflectant surface) which determined them: no light sources can be spotted in the field of sight, but this possible explanation could stand, because we could have (out of sight) some light sources which determined the effect: but they should be moving ones, their change of path should have been determined by some deliberate movement, and theis rotation as well: this is why i don't consider it the most likely explanation, but i have to add that the rotation occours when the change of path takes place (and that's a clue
). Thank you for your very good contribute
reply to post by the secret web
Wayne, i remeber the great work you did on the Hoeillart triagle video:
one thing that we know for sure is that the acceleration were NOT determined by the camera movement: so, whatever is their source, is some external one (actual object, out of sight moving and rotating light source, etc): i look forward to see a stabilized version
[edit on 3/10/2008 by internos]
reply posted on 3-10-2008 @ 07:01 AM by the secret web
Originally posted by internos
reply to post by the secret web
Wayne, i remeber the great work you did on the Hoeillart triagle video:
one thing that we know for sure is that the acceleration were NOT determined by the camera movement: so, whatever is their source, is some external one (actual object, out of sight moving and rotating light source, etc): i look forward to see a stabilized version
[edit on 3/10/2008 by internos]
Yeah I also took careful note of that as well, I had a mega crash last night when stabilising the footage but I'll have another go later today / tonight. I can tell you from the preview in the viewport (just prior to the crash ...typical eh?), is that it does help and when stabilised its fairly obvious that a lot of stuff can be discounted and that the object appears to be under some sort of intelligant control. To be honest I was looking as well for any obvious tracking errors and didn't see any in my quick visual check. (Hey its something that's got to be done regardless of the source of the footage these days... and in no way reflects on Mr Romano)
Wayne...
reply posted on 3-10-2008 @ 07:37 PM by the secret web
Stable Footage Download link (7z compressed file)
I've left this as an uncompressed AVI and have stabilised it from just before the anomoly comes into view at around 8 secs. As it was a bit large file size wise I've compressed this with 7zip which has brought the file size down to a more managble 50mb (as opposed to over 300 uncompressed.) I'm pretty sure winrar also opens these files.
thers a fair bit of parallax movement on this from where the camera is in relation to the horizon line on the ship..... I've done the best I could and its pretty damn stable I think.
The line of flight looks pretty interesting to me...
Wayne...
I've left this as an uncompressed AVI and have stabilised it from just before the anomoly comes into view at around 8 secs. As it was a bit large file size wise I've compressed this with 7zip which has brought the file size down to a more managble 50mb (as opposed to over 300 uncompressed.) I'm pretty sure winrar also opens these files.
thers a fair bit of parallax movement on this from where the camera is in relation to the horizon line on the ship..... I've done the best I could and its pretty damn stable I think.
The line of flight looks pretty interesting to me...
Wayne...
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