South Carolina mayor 'just curious' if Obama is the antichrist., page 2
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reply posted on 29-9-2008 @ 10:36 AM by Harlequin
reply to post by grover



well if some of the viewpoints are believeablke - the radica fanaticall right doesn`t exist and is just in the shadows.....


reply posted on 29-9-2008 @ 12:31 PM by Avenginggecko
reply to post by centurion1211



Obama is a secular Democrat. He doesn't bring religion into his politics...well, unless you count the social welfare Democrats support. The mere fact that a mayor entertained this idea is a ridiculous notion and makes the intelligent people in South Carolina look really bad. Besides, shouldn't everyone love the Anti-Christ? I'm pretty sure there's more than enough people who dislike Obama to exclude him from that category. The AC is probable Oprah or Rachel Ray or something.


And now to reply to your opinion on the right and religion...

You mean from foreign policy ("liberation" of Iraq from the evil Saddam [what about those darned WMDs and Osama? Ah well])

To social policy such as abortion, marriage rights, social welfare, etc.?

I'm pretty sure 100% of the American pie is affected by the religious right's influence on policy. I've provided some information so you can educate yourself. From the Ethics and Public Policy Center


The center is one of several institutes and programs established by neoconservatives to promote an increased role of religion in public policy. These include the Institute on Religion and Democracy and the Institute on Religion and Public Life, as well as the religious freedom program at the American Enterprise Institute.




The EPPC says its mission is "to clarify and reinforce the bond between the Judeo-Christian moral tradition and the public debate over domestic and foreign policy issues." The center sponsors conferences, publishes books and reports, and provides the media with policy analysis relating to its research programs. It operates a dozen programs that mix politics with religion: America's Enemies; Bioethics and American Democracy; Catholic Studies; The Constitution, the Courts, and the Culture; Economics and Ethics; Evangelicals in Civic Life; Foreign Policy; Islam and American Democracy; Jewish Studies; Religion and the Media; Science, Technology, and Society; and South Asian Studies and Religious Nationalism.


And McCain and the Council for National Policy, part of the Center


A McCain campaign advisor lauded the CNP, saying, "This is the most distinguished collection of conservative leaders and donors, and [the senator] was anxious to appear as part of his ongoing effort to consolidate support for his candidacy within the conservative movement."



reply posted on 30-9-2008 @ 01:20 PM by mattifikation
The effort is to rely on source amnesia to instill a desired belief over a period of time. Source amnesia is basically when you recall a piece of information, but have no idea where you heard it before. The human mind will often determine such information to be "fact."

For example, most people "know" that humans only use 10% of their brains. Nobody recalls where they heard that statistic, they just know they heard it, and most people assume that it's true. Meanwhile, it's completely bogus. Cut out 9 tenths of your brain, and I assure you, you will not be having a good day afterward.

Another interesting effect of "source amnesia" is that it also tends to make people forget the context in which they heard something. So the following headlines:

Barack Obama denies being a Muslim
Barack Obama is a Muslim
Is Barack Obama a Muslim?

Would, a few months down the road, both be registered in the mind of somebody influenced by source amnesia as something like:

I heard that Barack Obama is a Muslim!

Source amnesia differs from regular amnesia because it is a normal function of the human brain. It does not require any type of injury or traumatic experience to take effect. The brain is actually wired from the start to behave this way.

This is due to the split between short term and long term memory. The brain doesn't have enough room to store every piece of information it takes in, so it tends to save the "important bits" in long term memory and let the "details" slip away as the short term memory is filled with new information.

This is especially problematic when reading the news, because the headline is usually the part we consider the "important bits," while the article is the part considered to be the "details."

Source amnesia is often considered an excellent propaganda tool for this reason. If one entity (for example a mayor in South Carolina) wishes to discredit another (for example, a presidential candidate,) they could draw attention to a silly rumor (for example, the possibility that candidate is the antichrist.) Even if the resulting discussion widely and soundly discredits the rumor, months down the road people will often forget the discussion and remember only the rumor.

Scary how sheeplike we people really are, isn't it?


reply posted on 30-9-2008 @ 02:52 PM by rapinbatsisaltherage
reply to post by grover



I don’t see a problem with this. I’m sure there are plenty non-conservatives that would refer to Bush Junior as the anti-Christ. I don’t agree with the statement but so what? Obama can take a little off beat criticism, everyone else has to.

[edit on 30-9-2008 by rapinbatsisaltherage]


reply posted on 1-10-2008 @ 08:32 AM by grover
reply to post by centurion1211



The religious right has so inserted religion into politics that anybody running for office at one point or the other has to make some comment about their religious faith in this a supposedly secular nation in which religion and politics are supposed to be separated.

Religion has been so inserted into religion that if anyone came out and said point blank that they were an atheist they would be so roundly attacked that it isn't funny...

... and this thread is relevant since yesterday I got into an argument with someone on the bus who insisted that Obama was a closet Muslim who would sell America out to the terrorists... and if I had not cut it off I am sure something about the anti-christ would have come up as well...

... its relevant because these smears are out there literally and figuratively and there are those who give them credit.

There are some strange thoughts going on in this country... in 04 I was told by a woman that Jesus would be a card carrying Republican and voting for bush minor... and she was serious.

Just as the pastor of Palin's church wondered out loud whether the people who voted for Kerry would be allowed into heaven.

I don't want an extremist anything near the reigns of power.


reply posted on 2-10-2008 @ 08:11 AM by grover
reply to post by centurion1211



In case you have not noticed this thread is not about Palin or her religious views... nor is it about Obama's religion or religious views... more than anything it is about the continued hysterical rumors and smear campaigns against him... in this case the suggestion that he is the anti-Christ.

It is most certainly relevant.
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