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Muslim Children Gassed at Dayton Mosque After "Obsession" DVD Hits Ohio

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posted on Sep, 30 2008 @ 01:37 PM
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Just by saying it's not anti-muslim doesn't mean it is. There is a controversy over the DVD, basically surrounding the fact that it is not approaching the subject in a balanced fashion. Just having some muslim people on it doesn't mean it's not anti-muslim - heck - one of the guys interviewed saw the DVD and saw the amounts of cuts made to his piece, and how the other folks on it are not experts, and cried foul.

Of course, if you think muslims are the way they are portrayed in the DVD before watching it, it won't look biased at all. I'm not saying that's the case here, but it certainly is a possibility.




posted on Sep, 30 2008 @ 01:50 PM
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I got not one but two of those Obsession DVDs in the mail in the last month. I took one look at the cover and threw both away, knowing it would be an ignorant piece of propaganda meant to stir dangerous anti-Muslim sentiment. Perhaps I should have watched it so I could better understand the hysteria it is meant to create.

Those who distribute this DVD are the ones creating terror...

I am ashamed and surprised that Americans are still so easily swayed by this ignorance. A distinction must be made in the minds of every American between those peace loving ordinary Islamic people (99.9999%) and the few extremist wacko's who could actually be called terrorists...



posted on Sep, 30 2008 @ 02:02 PM
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Can I just ask why this is a shock, did not the US Goverment allow the shooting, gassing and burning of fellow Americans, men women and children at Waco and then the media fed off of it for weeks. A sick nation does sick things and the US is proving it every day of the week.



posted on Sep, 30 2008 @ 02:11 PM
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So some idiot sprayed pepper spray through an open window at a mosque, big freaking wow.

Meanwhile, the muslims are intent on flying planes through our open windows.

The Daily Kos is still furious about the fact that not a single muslim was murdered in the US after the attacks on 9/11.

Lame socialist garbage from a lame socialist rag.



posted on Sep, 30 2008 @ 02:20 PM
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Hey RET you got proof Muslims were on those planes have you because if you have most of the Worlds population would like to see it not to mention 300 million Americans.



posted on Sep, 30 2008 @ 02:33 PM
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Originally posted by Merriman Weir

Originally posted by mmariebored
If Muslim's in general are being target by our government, then why does that same government give public schools the day off, today, for a Muslim holiday?
The government is making the public aware of the extremists.

(I'm not denying the obvious strategy you mentioned, but I believe it has reasons other than an election...)



I didn't say "Muslim's in general". I was quite careful in using the word "some". I actually used the phrase "some Muslims" in the paragraph you quoted. I've never suggested that the American propaganda machine has said "Muslim's in general", merely that, to quote your earlier post, "the extremities that DO exist."

What I was actually querying was the idea that the American propaganda machine have, and again I'm quoting you here, "shielded [Americans] from the information". Can you support this idea, that post-9/11, Americans haven't been made aware that there are Muslim extremists who are 'very bad men indeed'.

Yes everyone's been made aware, post 9/11, that there are Muslim extremists who hate us and teach their children to hate us. That's a lot of hate breeding in one area on the surface of the earth. And I believe hate does breed hate. Now it's being bred over here too and acceptance for each other and understanding are being swallowed up in the midst of the hate.

But I don't believe that not knowing about the hate will prevent the hate from damaging it's target.



posted on Sep, 30 2008 @ 06:22 PM
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Originally posted by mmariebored

Yes everyone's been made aware, post 9/11, that there are Muslim extremists who hate us and teach their children to hate us. That's a lot of hate breeding in one area on the surface of the earth. And I believe hate does breed hate. Now it's being bred over here too and acceptance for each other and understanding are being swallowed up in the midst of the hate.

But I don't believe that not knowing about the hate will prevent the hate from damaging it's target.


But you've admitted that "everyone's been made aware, post 9/11, that there are Muslim extremists who hate us and teach their children to hate us". So where does your earlier idea about not shielding the public from this information come from? People know already , so why the need for this DVD? How much more do you think people need to be told?



posted on Sep, 30 2008 @ 06:29 PM
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Originally posted by Merriman Weir

Originally posted by mmariebored

Yes everyone's been made aware, post 9/11, that there are Muslim extremists who hate us and teach their children to hate us. That's a lot of hate breeding in one area on the surface of the earth. And I believe hate does breed hate. Now it's being bred over here too and acceptance for each other and understanding are being swallowed up in the midst of the hate.

But I don't believe that not knowing about the hate will prevent the hate from damaging it's target.


But you've admitted that "everyone's been made aware, post 9/11, that there are Muslim extremists who hate us and teach their children to hate us". So where does your earlier idea about not shielding the public from this information come from? People know already , so why the need for this DVD? How much more do you think people need to be told?

I'm not the one sending the dvd out, I'm saying there's no point in preventing it's distribution.



posted on Oct, 1 2008 @ 02:45 AM
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I know that there is a fault in the logic of what i said, that is part of my point i suppose.
The people who conducted the attack on the mosque are using faulty logic.
They believe that they can stop all muslims, that all muslims are guilty by association and that by attacking any muslim they are in some way attacking their enemy.
This is their logic not mine.

I know that an all out war against all muslims wouldn't work, there are better ways of defeating an enemy than by a straight up war.



posted on Oct, 1 2008 @ 12:07 PM
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Just an update on the investigatiion. Looks like they found a can of pepper spray nearby according to the Dayton Daily.

Pepper spray can found nearby


DAYTON — A can of pepper spray was found Tuesday, Sept. 30, near a local Islamic mosque evacuated Friday after a girl inside was sprayed with a chemical irritant.

Someone found the black can of pepper spray in a white and red bag near the Islamic Society of Greater Dayton, 26 Josie St., and called police, Lt. John Huber said.

Detectives are trying to lift fingerprints off the bag and can, Huber said.

He echoed police Chief Richard Biehl's comments that there is no evidence the 10-year-old girl was the victim of a hate crime.

"You have to have evidence of bias and right now we have none," Huber said.

The girl was watching children whose parents and relatives had gathered at the mosque to celebrate Ramadan when she noticed two men standing outside a basement window about 9:40 p.m., she told police.

One of the men then sprayed her through the open window, she said. The girl said her face was burning and she felt nauseous.

Another woman in the room felt nauseous and the mosque was evacuated.

HAZMAT crews called to the scene found no traces of chemicals in the mosque or on the girl.

A few of the 300 people celebrating the last 10 days of Ramadan with dinner and a prayer session were treated for eye irritation at the scene.

Islamic Society of Greater Dayton President Dr. Tarek Sabagh issued a written statement Tuesday that said the organization was cooperating with police.

"We ask the community to be patient and to refrain from speculation in this case while the investigation is being completed," Sabagh said. "We need to focus on the facts of this case and not let rumor and speculation take over."

He said he will not talk about the incident again until the investigation is completed


Hopefully the police will find who sprayed it.



posted on Oct, 1 2008 @ 04:55 PM
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Hi this is completely true!! I live in Dayton and my husband attends that mosque. When he arrived there that evening the police and fire crews were already there. What is most scary is that they were unable to determine what was sprayed into the mosque because although it was potent enough to make everyone sick, it dissipated to quickly and left no trace (at least this is what was printed in our local paper as stated by the police dept/hazmat). Also they said this couldn't be classified as a hate crime (well they obviously know the law! They failed to yell a slur apparently!). I recieved the DVD 1 or 2 days before this happened. I have yet to watch it but I will have to now so that I can understand what kind of mentality is being developed by those who buy into it. Here are links to the local news story... If you read the stories something is a little fishy, I am wondering whether there is a coverup about what was sprayed. The story initially says the spray came from a red and white can, the follow up then says a black pepper spray can was found outside in a red bag. Seems like it would be hard to confuse a red/white can with a black can. And why would the perp leave the evidence right outside?! C'mon! Interestingly the initial article is no longer featured on the DDN web site.

Initial Article

DDN Article 2

DDN Followup Article

Columbus Underground



posted on Oct, 1 2008 @ 05:00 PM
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Any one commenting on the DVD, should really watch it on youtube.
I am by no means racist. And here at ATS, seeking the truth, is the thrust of this sight.

Like with many of the opinions expressed here on ATS, until you view it, you cant really comment on it because its content can be imagined, speculated, and over stated.

10 parts, 6 minute sections.
www.youtube.com...

I watched the movie on youtube. I found some of the points made are valid, while I find the polarizing conclusion of the move something to think about.

A group, with a do or die religious conviction, who believes within their heart they are doing the will of God by killing others not of their belief, is a serious issue.

If you were to watch the movie, the seed of mistrust of any muslim is what I thought appeared to be sowed. That ANY muslim could be an under cover extremist, and that NONE of them can be trusted.

Yet the Irony of the movie is that the very people that are in the movie are ex PLO and members of radical muslim groups. Are they to be trusted?

In writing this, it appears the very thrust of their movie was defeated in the use of converted radicals, thus indicating, that even a radical can change.

Peace



[edit on 1-10-2008 by HIFIGUY]



posted on Oct, 1 2008 @ 08:05 PM
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Women and children are unfortunate targets' of abusers throughout the world....... Nobody should have to fear the environment in which they live..... The innocent should be allowed to live a peaceful existence........



posted on Oct, 2 2008 @ 06:24 AM
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What religion isn't extreme? Was it not the Vatican that appointed the Knights Templar and then had them hunted down and killed because they were getting more and more powerful than the Vatican?

What I find hypocrisy is that there has been more bloodshed throughout history in the name of God or religion.

I know I'm going to get flamed for saying this, but all religion is control. They brainwash you into their rules. Unfortunatley there are some that take religion a little too seriously and go the extreme in the name of their God.

To me, the bible is nothing more than a nice fictional story. And was also created to give man a set of rules to live by; thou shall not kill etc.

You can no more prove the Flying Spaghetti Monster does not exists than proving that God does.

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posted on Oct, 2 2008 @ 12:41 PM
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Originally posted by magicmushroom
Hey RET you got proof Muslims were on those planes have you because if you have most of the Worlds population would like to see it not to mention 300 million Americans.


Perhaps the cockpit voice recorders that had audio of the hijackers chanting Muslim prayers was a clue.

But to some, all evidence that doesn't support their wild fantasies is fabricated.



posted on Oct, 2 2008 @ 01:25 PM
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USA is day by day getting worser , there are a lot of hate crimes in USA



Why are Muslims being ill-treated in the west after the 911 attack?
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If you look at WWII history - American's of Japanese lineage were put into concentration type of camps to limit communications with Japan and others the US considered a threat. Good people were discriminated against because the country feared they were part of the attack on Pearl Harbor. After 9-11 attacks - any that the citizens of western countries consider a possible threat - any who seem to possibly have a tie to Alqueida forces is considered a threat in much the same way.

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In fact, I'm not at all sure that Muslims are being ill-treated in the West. The proportion of the Muslim population imprisoned in the West is tiny. There has been a rise in the number of hate crimes against Muslims, but the police and the courts are - surely - taking these seriously.
wiki.answers.com...



posted on Oct, 3 2008 @ 01:23 AM
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"radical muslims" causing all the problems world-wide.

Choose your words carefully

Back to topic, it is better to leave the blamegame after the police enquiry. If the story is true than it is not something new, Muslims do get harassed for being Muslims and it is widespread, it even exists in New Zealand (witness = me).



posted on Oct, 3 2008 @ 07:14 AM
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the dvd is valid and truthful, i've been studying islam closely for about 7 years, and i have a copy of the dvd. it is a warning for us ignorant infidels.

your average muslim is purposely kept ignorant about the true nature of islam, this serves a great purpose that helps spread islam into vulnerable communities.

the practice is called kitman, and it aids alllah's true believers, who we know as terrorists.

the act of harming these innocent children is despicable and also only aids allahs most devoted in their cause.

this looks more like a random crime, there is nothing besides partisan speculation that connects this act with the education of infidels.

if speculation is the order of the day, then i speculate that this act may have been done by members of that very community, to cast infidels in a bad light, and gain sympathy... which is just what has occurred.

read the original article for accuracy, the daily kos has a way of distorting events that favor a specific bias.

Police: No evidence of hate crime at local mosque



posted on Oct, 3 2008 @ 01:09 PM
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Originally posted by feydrautha
the dvd is valid and truthful, i've been studying islam closely for about 7 years, and i have a copy of the dvd. it is a warning for us ignorant infidels.


And since they did the movie, with some former PLO terrorists and such who have now changed their way, it shows peace and understanding is possible, even for extremists.

Peace


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posted on Oct, 3 2008 @ 01:40 PM
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Originally posted by HIFIGUY
And since they did the movie, with some former PLO terrorists and such who have now changed their way, it shows peace and understanding is possible, even for extremists.

Peace


that understanding came at the price of losing their religion.

who we call terrorists in the west are merely allahs devoted, carrying out the very clear demands that allah expects of his children.

fight them untill all declare that there is no religion but for allah.

all.




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