Pirates Die Strangely After Taking Iranian Ship, page 6
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reply posted on 29-9-2008 @ 07:36 AM by jtma508
reply to post by Kailassa



Thta's my point. I'm aware of the current hijackings and the Somali problem in general. But these details (the 'poisoning of the pirates) are lacking anywhere. Which is odd since it is grade A news fodder. This one smells like a hoax/net rumor.


reply posted on 29-9-2008 @ 09:15 AM by Anonymous ATS
reply to post by yellowbeard





"Uh, I didn't see it so it didn't happen..." This story is still ongoing Monday Sep 29th. Before anyone categorically dismisses it out of hand why don't we wait and see how it ends?


reply posted on 29-9-2008 @ 11:00 AM by mark38
reply to post by Keyhole



This is the English web site of Iran's English TV News
On the same web site you can see the TV's logo .
Click it to watch the news live.


www.presstv.com...§ionid=351020604#


reply posted on 29-9-2008 @ 12:38 PM by friendforafoe
Someone asked (I forgot to quote them) about how they know it's even pirated ... Yes the IRAN DEYANAT has been confirmed as hijacked. There's a lovely organization called the International Maritime Bureau we get unclassified e-mails from that notifies us of hijacked ships. That's when we start doing what we do to find the validity of reporting, research the vessel, company, etc etc. I've also seen that Iran press peice being brought up that we've paid the pirates $7 million USD to "inspect" the vessel ... no we haven't haha... that's ludicrous. You can either believe me or not when I say that, but no we have not.

Sometimes not all reported piracy attempts are legit. A lot of times you get uncorraberated reports from merchant vessels transiting the Gulf of Aden that see any small boat near them as a pirate. Just because it's near them, doesn't make it a pirate. tensions are high right now in the GOA so everyone's running scared reporting. Sometimes vessels get fired on, but they weren't necessarily pirates ... a lot of times it's just fisherman firing at the vessel because either a) that's their spot, get the hell away or b) the ship didn't have a permit to be in those waters. Somalia has a bunch of these so-called "coast guard" organizations ... some are just people protecting the waters (merchant vessels used to dump all sorts of crap in Somalia territorial waters) and some are pirates just SAYING they were protecting these waters.

Since the downfall of the CIC in January 2007, there's been an increase in pirate activity due to the destabilizing political climate and exponentially rising poverty levels ... piracy has become the region's largest and most lucrative "business".

In this case, companies that pay ransoms continue to fuel the factional leaders and "businessmen" in piracy operations and continue to destablize the semblance of an attempted government in the Puntland region ... well that's what I think about piracy in Somalia at least ...


reply posted on 29-9-2008 @ 12:42 PM by friendforafoe
Originally posted by Sonya610
Had the tv news on in teh background and I just heard a snippet but I can't find anything online. I believe they were saying something about a gun fight that left a bunch of pirates dead in Somalia? I do not know which ship it was referring to...

But has anyone else heard this? Or was I hallucinating?


No you heard right. There's quite a few gun battles in Somalia. Puntland security froces are constantly getting in conflicts with these guys. Unfortunately, since regional and poilitical instability is so bad there, a lot of Puntland regional authorities can't afford to even pay their own troops ... so what do those guys do? They switch sides and join the pirates...sad, but true

EDIT: and to be more specific, it wasn't pertaining to any of the 15 ships that are currently pirated. Sporadic gun battles take place everywhere in pirate hotspots (Eyl, Caluula, Bossaso, Hobyo, etc etc). There's still some good left in Somalia though it's suspected some authorites actually have ties to the pirates ... you ever wondered how a pirate can hijack a ship, facilitate a ransom, and then go back to his home and live out his life?

Also I don't want to reitterate myself, BUT the ORIGINAL IRAN DEYANAT press piece that talks about the "radioactive materials onboard" (which there isn't any) came out on 11 SEP, not the 28th. People are rehashing articles from unreliable sources (I'm looking at you Andrew Mwangura) and calling it breaking news ... that Times article ripped the text ver batim.

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reply posted on 29-9-2008 @ 02:38 PM by friendforafoe
Originally posted by buddhasystem
Originally posted by Sonya610
Saudi's have been known to booby-trap the cargo holds of vessels carrying sensitive items.


That's exactly what I thought!

Additional comments:
1) no, it's not easy to observe radiation from any ship payload from a satellite, with or without shielding. I'd say it's impossible.

2) loss of hair can result from chemical poisoning, so it was not necessarily radiation

3) if this was as big as claimed, US specops would be on the ship withing a few hours

4) sounds too much like propaganda

5) yes, if true it would be 24/7 on FAUX NEWS

6) I'm glad that the pirates are dying a painful and slow death. By being armed robbers willing to take others' lives, they fully deserve that.


[edit on 29-9-2008 by buddhasystem]


In response to your additional comments:

1) That's good thinking right there

2) correct again

3) Yes they would have

4) The information being relayed by Andrew Mwangura (the source in the OP's post) who is not deemed a credible source ... he makes inflammatory statements with no concrete evidence to back up his claims. He's already been ruled out as he is relaying the information based on ignorance or a deliberate skewing of facts (Again, he orginally reported this on the 11 of september ... and before you guys cry conspiracy, it's just the date it came out :lol. He's suspected of actually being associated with pirates as well (though not confirmed).

5) I think it'd be on fox news regardless of validity my friend haha

6) The killing of crewmembers is not high on the priority list for pirates. they usually make inflammatory threats in order to facilitate payment and haste negotiations. They'll give a 24 hour ultimatim (however you spell it) to pay or the crew gets it ... the company doesn't buckle, the crew doesn't die, the pirates get frustrated, they raise the ransom ... it's a very tiring process to monitor because pirates are ALWAYS going to threaten the crew, but they will never kill to get money, because they know if they kill, they lose bargaining chips ... i've dealt with enough piracy situations to comfortably say that


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reply posted on 29-9-2008 @ 03:07 PM by mhc_70
Not sure why MSM is not reporting this, I guess the economy is getting all the news. As for the dead pirates on the Iranian Deyanat, maybe the chemical was sealed and packaged...until the priates tried to determine what it was and came in direct contact with it.

Here is a interesting report on the Ukrainian ship...
The heavily armed guided missile destroyer, Howard , of the US Navy’s 5th Fleet, was close by the Ukrainian Faina , Sunday night, Sept. 28. DEBKAfile’s sources report the US warship and two European vessels surrounding the captured ship were determined to prevent the Somali pirates aboard from unloading its weapons cargo and allowing it to reach al Qaeda networks in Sudan or Kenya. Lt. Nathan Christensen, US Navy’s 5th Fleet spokesman would only say that the tanks and other weapons must be prevented from ending up “in the wrong hands.”

The navy ships are using loud speakers to warn the pirates not to try and unload any cargo near the port of Hobyo. DEBKAfile’s counter-terror sources disclose that the Faina , flying a Belize flag, is carrying 2,500 tons of Ukrainian military hardware worth some $30 million, including 33 T-72 tanks, RPG rocket-propelled grenades, ZU-23 automatic anti-air guns, a quantity of ammunition and spare parts - a veritable treasure trove for the pirates. A spokesman for the pirates, Sugule Ali, said his men would fight to the death to protect their booty, but would release the ship on payment of a $20 million ransom.

A spokesman for the Ukrainian Ukrspetsexport company said the cargo was a legitimate arms shipment consigned to Kenya like others in the past. Sources in Mombassa reported that at least part of a shipment of 80 tanks was in fact destined for South Sudan, where a fragile peace accord prevails after a long and bloody civil war.

The Faina crew is described as numbering 21, of which 17 are Ukrainians, three Russians and one Latvian. Their captain Viktor Nikolsky reported that one of the crew had died of hypertension. He spoke via a satellite phone provided by one of the pirates.

Last Wednesday, the Russian navy diverted the missile destroyer Neustrashimy from the Baltic to Somali waters. Some questions surround the Faina episode. The vessel’s operators Tomex Team of Odessa have not commented on its seizure. There is some suspicion that the pirates did not capture the ship at random but lay in wait for it in three fast boats 200 miles out to sea. If this was a planned ambush, it would attest to collusion between al the Qaeda networks of East Africa, the Somali militias and some of the pirate bands infesting its waters. The inference would be that terrorism was at work here under the assumed name of piracy. This would explain the convergence of US, European and Russian warships in these dangerous waters.

In the past year, pirates have seized some 62 ships in the coastal waters of Somalia, which has not had an effective central government for more than 17 years. Saturday, Sept. 27, a Greek chemicals tanker was commandeered in the Gulf of Aden.







source

[edit on 29-9-2008 by mhc_70]



reply posted on 29-9-2008 @ 03:56 PM by mhc_70
reply to post by PammyK



Propaganda? I thought the report pretty much stuck to the facts. Maybe you have a source that can shed some light on the ignorance contained in it?

I remember last year (on another board)when Isreal secretly bombed the Syrian nuclear plant. Debka was one of the first to report the connection to North Korea...propaganda was claimed then too.


reply posted on 29-9-2008 @ 05:24 PM by PammyK
reply to post by mhc_70

No, it is just my opinion. I am TIRED of being told this and being told that and not knowing what the hell to believe. We may be at a point where there is really no way to know. Yes, I think we are!


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