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Pirates Die Strangely After Taking Iranian Ship

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posted on Sep, 29 2008 @ 07:36 AM
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Thta's my point. I'm aware of the current hijackings and the Somali problem in general. But these details (the 'poisoning of the pirates) are lacking anywhere. Which is odd since it is grade A news fodder. This one smells like a hoax/net rumor.




posted on Sep, 29 2008 @ 09:15 AM
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"Uh, I didn't see it so it didn't happen..." This story is still ongoing Monday Sep 29th. Before anyone categorically dismisses it out of hand why don't we wait and see how it ends?



posted on Sep, 29 2008 @ 10:04 AM
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Most mainstream news outlets are still stating that it was an Ukranian vessel?!

The Iranian government are known to have moved nuclear material throughout the country as to avoid the scope of the IAEA, could it be the same again but out of their borders?!



posted on Sep, 29 2008 @ 10:55 AM
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I keep thinking that since the ship was coming back from China that maybe they stocked up on supplies before departing. Which, unfortunately for the pirates, may have included milk.



posted on Sep, 29 2008 @ 11:00 AM
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This is the English web site of Iran's English TV News
On the same web site you can see the TV's logo .
Click it to watch the news live.


www.presstv.com...§ionid=351020604#



posted on Sep, 29 2008 @ 11:22 AM
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No one is suggesting to dismiss it out-of-hand. But by the same token let's not just accept something as provocative as this capriciously either. The event occurred back on August 21st. The only 'evidence' to support this story comes from a single point. By now it would be reasonable to have gotten some additional confirmation from another source. It's been over a month.



posted on Sep, 29 2008 @ 11:41 AM
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Originally posted by theblunttruth
Most mainstream news outlets are still stating that it was an Ukranian vessel?!

The Iranian government are known to have moved nuclear material throughout the country as to avoid the scope of the IAEA, could it be the same again but out of their borders?!



2 ships. TWO. Not one ship.


One is the Iranian Vessel, the Iran Deyanat, with the sick and dying pirates from Somalia. Departed from China.

The other is a Ukrainian vessel, the Faina, with 30 T-72's on board, also hijacked off the coast of Somalia. Departed from Ukraine, bound for Kenya.
A Russian warship has been deployed to retrieve this ship and it's cargo, and bring the cargo to Kenya, and the ship back to Ukraine.


Two totally different incidents, the only thing that's the same is it was Somalian pirates who hijacked the ships.


Please people, stop confusing the two ships... ungh... this is one of the problems with getting your news from US media outlets... they're idiots.

[edit on 29-9-2008 by johnsky]



posted on Sep, 29 2008 @ 12:16 PM
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Had the tv news on in teh background and I just heard a snippet but I can't find anything online. I believe they were saying something about a gun fight that left a bunch of pirates dead in Somalia? I do not know which ship it was referring to...

But has anyone else heard this? Or was I hallucinating?



posted on Sep, 29 2008 @ 12:38 PM
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Someone asked (I forgot to quote them) about how they know it's even pirated ... Yes the IRAN DEYANAT has been confirmed as hijacked. There's a lovely organization called the International Maritime Bureau we get unclassified e-mails from that notifies us of hijacked ships. That's when we start doing what we do to find the validity of reporting, research the vessel, company, etc etc. I've also seen that Iran press peice being brought up that we've paid the pirates $7 million USD to "inspect" the vessel ... no we haven't haha... that's ludicrous. You can either believe me or not when I say that, but no we have not.

Sometimes not all reported piracy attempts are legit. A lot of times you get uncorraberated reports from merchant vessels transiting the Gulf of Aden that see any small boat near them as a pirate. Just because it's near them, doesn't make it a pirate. tensions are high right now in the GOA so everyone's running scared reporting. Sometimes vessels get fired on, but they weren't necessarily pirates ... a lot of times it's just fisherman firing at the vessel because either a) that's their spot, get the hell away or b) the ship didn't have a permit to be in those waters. Somalia has a bunch of these so-called "coast guard" organizations ... some are just people protecting the waters (merchant vessels used to dump all sorts of crap in Somalia territorial waters) and some are pirates just SAYING they were protecting these waters.

Since the downfall of the CIC in January 2007, there's been an increase in pirate activity due to the destabilizing political climate and exponentially rising poverty levels ... piracy has become the region's largest and most lucrative "business".

In this case, companies that pay ransoms continue to fuel the factional leaders and "businessmen" in piracy operations and continue to destablize the semblance of an attempted government in the Puntland region ... well that's what I think about piracy in Somalia at least ...



posted on Sep, 29 2008 @ 12:42 PM
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Originally posted by Sonya610
Had the tv news on in teh background and I just heard a snippet but I can't find anything online. I believe they were saying something about a gun fight that left a bunch of pirates dead in Somalia? I do not know which ship it was referring to...

But has anyone else heard this? Or was I hallucinating?


No you heard right. There's quite a few gun battles in Somalia. Puntland security froces are constantly getting in conflicts with these guys. Unfortunately, since regional and poilitical instability is so bad there, a lot of Puntland regional authorities can't afford to even pay their own troops ... so what do those guys do? They switch sides and join the pirates...sad, but true

EDIT: and to be more specific, it wasn't pertaining to any of the 15 ships that are currently pirated. Sporadic gun battles take place everywhere in pirate hotspots (Eyl, Caluula, Bossaso, Hobyo, etc etc). There's still some good left in Somalia though it's suspected some authorites actually have ties to the pirates ... you ever wondered how a pirate can hijack a ship, facilitate a ransom, and then go back to his home and live out his life?

Also I don't want to reitterate myself, BUT the ORIGINAL IRAN DEYANAT press piece that talks about the "radioactive materials onboard" (which there isn't any) came out on 11 SEP, not the 28th. People are rehashing articles from unreliable sources (I'm looking at you Andrew Mwangura) and calling it breaking news ... that Times article ripped the text ver batim.

[edit on 29-9-2008 by friendforafoe]



posted on Sep, 29 2008 @ 02:11 PM
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posted on Sep, 29 2008 @ 02:23 PM
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Originally posted by Sonya610
Saudi's have been known to booby-trap the cargo holds of vessels carrying sensitive items.


That's exactly what I thought!

Additional comments:
1) no, it's not easy to observe radiation from any ship payload from a satellite, with or without shielding. I'd say it's impossible.

2) loss of hair can result from chemical poisoning, so it was not necessarily radiation

3) if this was as big as claimed, US specops would be on the ship withing a few hours

4) sounds too much like propaganda

5) yes, if true it would be 24/7 on FAUX NEWS

6) I'm glad that the pirates are dying a painful and slow death. By being armed robbers willing to take others' lives, they fully deserve that.


[edit on 29-9-2008 by buddhasystem]



posted on Sep, 29 2008 @ 02:36 PM
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Originally posted by yellowbeard
To me this seems to smell of the usual "attack evil Iran before they attack us" bull poo that keeps being spewed out in the press, but if I'm wrong maybe it might start making these pirates think twice about what they are doing.


I wish I lived in the same world you do where everything even remotely considered "bad" for any country other than America is actually a put on by the the CIA and the MSM to get us to attack [insert country here], while the real evil in the world is all America.

That would make it so much easier to cope.



posted on Sep, 29 2008 @ 02:38 PM
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Originally posted by buddhasystem

Originally posted by Sonya610
Saudi's have been known to booby-trap the cargo holds of vessels carrying sensitive items.


That's exactly what I thought!

Additional comments:
1) no, it's not easy to observe radiation from any ship payload from a satellite, with or without shielding. I'd say it's impossible.

2) loss of hair can result from chemical poisoning, so it was not necessarily radiation

3) if this was as big as claimed, US specops would be on the ship withing a few hours

4) sounds too much like propaganda

5) yes, if true it would be 24/7 on FAUX NEWS

6) I'm glad that the pirates are dying a painful and slow death. By being armed robbers willing to take others' lives, they fully deserve that.


[edit on 29-9-2008 by buddhasystem]


In response to your additional comments:

1) That's good thinking right there

2) correct again

3) Yes they would have

4) The information being relayed by Andrew Mwangura (the source in the OP's post) who is not deemed a credible source ... he makes inflammatory statements with no concrete evidence to back up his claims. He's already been ruled out as he is relaying the information based on ignorance or a deliberate skewing of facts (Again, he orginally reported this on the 11 of september ... and before you guys cry conspiracy, it's just the date it came out :lol
. He's suspected of actually being associated with pirates as well (though not confirmed).

5) I think it'd be on fox news regardless of validity my friend haha

6) The killing of crewmembers is not high on the priority list for pirates. they usually make inflammatory threats in order to facilitate payment and haste negotiations. They'll give a 24 hour ultimatim (however you spell it) to pay or the crew gets it ... the company doesn't buckle, the crew doesn't die, the pirates get frustrated, they raise the ransom ... it's a very tiring process to monitor because pirates are ALWAYS going to threaten the crew, but they will never kill to get money, because they know if they kill, they lose bargaining chips ... i've dealt with enough piracy situations to comfortably say that


[edit on 29-9-2008 by friendforafoe]



posted on Sep, 29 2008 @ 03:07 PM
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Not sure why MSM is not reporting this, I guess the economy is getting all the news. As for the dead pirates on the Iranian Deyanat, maybe the chemical was sealed and packaged...until the priates tried to determine what it was and came in direct contact with it.

Here is a interesting report on the Ukrainian ship...

The heavily armed guided missile destroyer, Howard , of the US Navy’s 5th Fleet, was close by the Ukrainian Faina , Sunday night, Sept. 28. DEBKAfile’s sources report the US warship and two European vessels surrounding the captured ship were determined to prevent the Somali pirates aboard from unloading its weapons cargo and allowing it to reach al Qaeda networks in Sudan or Kenya. Lt. Nathan Christensen, US Navy’s 5th Fleet spokesman would only say that the tanks and other weapons must be prevented from ending up “in the wrong hands.”

The navy ships are using loud speakers to warn the pirates not to try and unload any cargo near the port of Hobyo. DEBKAfile’s counter-terror sources disclose that the Faina , flying a Belize flag, is carrying 2,500 tons of Ukrainian military hardware worth some $30 million, including 33 T-72 tanks, RPG rocket-propelled grenades, ZU-23 automatic anti-air guns, a quantity of ammunition and spare parts - a veritable treasure trove for the pirates. A spokesman for the pirates, Sugule Ali, said his men would fight to the death to protect their booty, but would release the ship on payment of a $20 million ransom.

A spokesman for the Ukrainian Ukrspetsexport company said the cargo was a legitimate arms shipment consigned to Kenya like others in the past. Sources in Mombassa reported that at least part of a shipment of 80 tanks was in fact destined for South Sudan, where a fragile peace accord prevails after a long and bloody civil war.

The Faina crew is described as numbering 21, of which 17 are Ukrainians, three Russians and one Latvian. Their captain Viktor Nikolsky reported that one of the crew had died of hypertension. He spoke via a satellite phone provided by one of the pirates.

Last Wednesday, the Russian navy diverted the missile destroyer Neustrashimy from the Baltic to Somali waters. Some questions surround the Faina episode. The vessel’s operators Tomex Team of Odessa have not commented on its seizure. There is some suspicion that the pirates did not capture the ship at random but lay in wait for it in three fast boats 200 miles out to sea. If this was a planned ambush, it would attest to collusion between al the Qaeda networks of East Africa, the Somali militias and some of the pirate bands infesting its waters. The inference would be that terrorism was at work here under the assumed name of piracy. This would explain the convergence of US, European and Russian warships in these dangerous waters.

In the past year, pirates have seized some 62 ships in the coastal waters of Somalia, which has not had an effective central government for more than 17 years. Saturday, Sept. 27, a Greek chemicals tanker was commandeered in the Gulf of Aden.







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[edit on 29-9-2008 by mhc_70]



posted on Sep, 29 2008 @ 03:21 PM
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posted on Sep, 29 2008 @ 03:30 PM
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My oh my! I smell a little thing called "propaganda" the powers that be think we are stupid! The ignorance is unbelievable!



posted on Sep, 29 2008 @ 03:56 PM
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Propaganda? I thought the report pretty much stuck to the facts. Maybe you have a source that can shed some light on the ignorance contained in it?

I remember last year (on another board)when Isreal secretly bombed the Syrian nuclear plant. Debka was one of the first to report the connection to North Korea...propaganda was claimed then too.



posted on Sep, 29 2008 @ 04:54 PM
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The pirates were a blessing in disguise but luckily they did not find nuclear devises to play with as toys.

As far as we know Iran could have been hiding Weapons of Mass Destruction of Iraq in their lands including chemical weapons and are hiding it on those ships. But that is just a hypothetical theory of mine, if this might expose a mass deception in Iran and Iraq in a game of false innocence.

Who are these pirates? Are they Muslim pirates like the Ottoman Impire types?



posted on Sep, 29 2008 @ 05:24 PM
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No, it is just my opinion. I am TIRED of being told this and being told that and not knowing what the hell to believe. We may be at a point where there is really no way to know. Yes, I think we are!




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