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reply posted on 28-9-2008 @ 09:37 AM by pavil
reply to post by Keyhole



Hmmm, seems kinda sloppy on Iran's part to be true. The ship leaves from China due to dock in Rotterdam but doesn't unload it's nuclear cargo in Iran along the way? It doesn't make sense. Plus Iran would have armed that kinda ship with at least a couple companies of Revolutionary Guards or similar troops.

If the U.S. does get to peek at the ship, my opinion will change. I'll give you that the ailments stated seem consistent with radiation exposure, but I need proof.

Right now things seem a little too unbelievable for my taste. I don't trust Iran, but I would expect them to be much more sneakier about it.



reply posted on 28-9-2008 @ 11:42 AM by kosmicjack
reply to post by Sonya610



Your hypothesis seems more reasonable to me. Otherwise, why wouldn't the original crew be sick as well?



reply posted on 28-9-2008 @ 12:54 PM by skjalddis
The USS Howard is confronting the Ukrainian vessel that is carrying Russian tanks..

news.bbc.co.uk...

It is really hard to find credible news sources on what is happening with the Iran Deyanat but it does appear that that ship was taken over a month ago on 21st August. I had that from several sources, this is just one:
Maritime News Russia

I've a feeling these two stories are getting a bit mixed up somehow.

Edit to add:

Just found this - the article is mainly about an Egyptian ship but there's stuff about the Iran Deyanat there too.

Pirates demand ransom for Egyptian ship

One of those ships, an Iranian chemical carrier called Iran Deyanat, fetched a $200,000 payment from its owners, but was not released as expected on Monday, a regional maritime group said.

"It was supposed to be released, but now they are saying the $200,000 was for facilitation only. They want more money for the ransom," said Andrew Mwangura, of the Kenyan-based East African Seafarers' Assistance Programme.

He said the pirates were angry because when they opened the cargo of the Iranian ship, several Somalis died, while others lost hair and suffered skin burns. "It must have been a very dangerous chemical," he said, without identifying the substance.





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reply posted on 28-9-2008 @ 12:54 PM by beefeater
reply to post by harrytuttle



Good point, what if the ship was intercepted, then loaded with chemicals or whatever by a rouge element and was designed to be a false flag attack in Europe but now its been hyjacked by pirates and the plan has failed. That might explain the US offering money as they could remove evidence, chemicals/nukes can be traced to source.
If the false flag attack had worked then you can pick Iranians or Chinese to blame


reply posted on 28-9-2008 @ 01:13 PM by Rockpuck
reply to post by Keyhole



They are capturing ships because the French and Spanish appease anyone who captures their ships and pay the pirates off... it's a good business to be in, unless of course you capture a ship containing high levels of radioactivity..


reply posted on 28-9-2008 @ 01:28 PM by friendforafoe
Originally posted by Sky watcher
What I don't get is why the U.S. navy is waiting or even thinking about asking anyone for permission to board the ship. That don't make sense because the Navy has the power to do what ever it wants on the high seas to any vessel in regards to maritime safety inspections.


ROE's my friend, ROE's ... I just posted up a post anonymously which should pop up soon i hope (I signed it -Chris- I remebered my password haha). UN Security Council resolution 1816 allows US and Coalition vessels to enter territorial waters and take a more acitve approach to combatting piracy, HOWEVER we can't do whatever the hell we want on the high seas.

We have Rules of Engagement ... we can't just go around boarding whoever we feel like it ... there has to be a reason to and in my post that should be popping up soon, there isn't a reason.

Why the navy isn't doing anything with these vessels? there's 15 pirated ships right now and don't think we aren't doing anything, because we are, but have you though of "collateral damage"? We do something to one ship, and one guy calls another and everything gets all FUBAR on us. This is one network of pirates and they all talk to eachother so we go in and attempt to rescue someone, the other pirated vessels will know and that puts all of those other crew members at risk ... bad things happen

Yeah we're watching, but that's all that we CAN do right now.

Also the original reporting from Andrew Mwangura (the Geraldo Rivera of piracy) was from the 11th ... why the Times just now did an article is beyond me, but again, like you'll see in my anonymous post (i'll point it out), he tends to report bogus information.

AND that ship is NOT IRISL-owned despite what some sources state

If there are any questions, I'd be happy to answer to a certain extent

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reply posted on 28-9-2008 @ 01:40 PM by Keyhole
Their are two seperate ships that have been in the news lately, it seems some people are thinking this is all about one ship and the story keeps changing, but it's not.

The first one that was in the news the most was a Ukraine ship that had a bunch of tanks on it.

The second ship, the Iran Deyana that this thread is about, is about an Iranian ship that is owned by the Islamic Republic of Iran Shipping Lines, or IRISL, a state-owned company run by the Iranian military.

Originally posted by arcnaver
Why are we hearing it from just fringe groups instead of mainstream?



Well, here's an article from Reuters.

Unidentified Warship Captures 14 Somali Pirates


Abdinur Farah told Reuters from the deck of a seized Iranian ship.

He said the Iranian ship with 28 crew members including two Russians, two Pakistanis and a Syrian would soon be freed once the $2 million ransom agreed upon was paid.

"The bargaining about the ransom is over and pirates are just waiting for the money," he said.

"Puntland requested the pirates two weeks ago to hand over this Iranian ship, saying that it is carrying weapons to Eritrea. I have seen food and other odd items on the ship but I do not know what is hidden underneath."



And here's another article that is pretty interesting!

Mystery Surrounds Hijacked Iranian Ship


Suspicion has also been cast on the ship's crew, half of which is almost entirely staffed by Iranians - a large percentage of Iranian nationals for a standard merchant vessel



I'm skipping the part where the crew members get sick and some die, we've heard about this already!


News about the illness and the toxic cargo quickly reached Garowe, seat of the government for the autonomous region of Puntland. Angered over the wave of piracy and suspicious about the Iranian ship, authorities dispatched a delegation led by Minister of Minerals and Oil Hassan Allore Osman to investigate the situation on September 4. Osman also confirmed to The Long War Journal that during the six days he negotiated with the pirates members of the syndicate had become sick and died. "That ship is unusual," he said. "It is not carrying a normal shipment."
******SKIP******
Once in direct contact, the pirates told Osman that they had attempted to inspect the ship's seven cargo containers after they developed health complications but the containers were locked. The crew claimed that they did not have the "access codes" and could not open them. The delegation secured contact with the captain and the engineer by cell phone and demanded to know the nature of the cargo, however, Osman says that "they were saying different things to different people." Initially they said that the cargo contained "crude oil" but then claimed it contained "minerals."



So it appears "officials" in the area have contacted the pirates and confirmed that people were sick and have died TRYING to open some "suspicious" containers that were locked and needed some kind of code to open!

And apparently they can't get their story straight on what their gargo is either!


reply posted on 28-9-2008 @ 01:43 PM by skjalddis
It also looks like the Russian ship is heading out that way because of the Ukrainian vessel:

Somali Pirates' Unexpected Booty: Russian Tanks

It appears almost certain that the pirates had no idea of the cargo aboard the Belize-flagged Faina, which Ukrainian Defense Minister Yuri Yekhanurov told the Interfax news agency was being sold to Kenya. He said the cargo included grenade launchers and ammunition. Hours after the hijacking, Russia announced it was sending a warship from its Baltic Fleet to patrol the Somali coast.


So -so far, trying to stick to mainstream media cos I reckon this story has been subject to Chinese Whispers - it seems that the US and the Russians are confronting the hijackers of the Ukrainian ship, not the Iranian ship. There is a lot of questions over what the Iranian ship is carrying and it does appear that some of the pirates got sick from it - but I haven't found much to support the claim that the US and Russians are particularly concerned about it. Also, the Iranian ship got took back in August, that is certain.

Could be the two stories are getting mixed up because the Iranian ship is getting reported as an aside in stories about the Ukrainian one, among others. Still doesn't explain what made those guys sick though, except bad karma maybe.

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