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Originally posted by Islam_solutionforhumanity
I never said women are inferior. In Islam, men and women are considered equal in terms of earning reward in the hereafter (the main purpose) but at the same time we realize that men have their strengths and weaknesses and so do women. Different does NOT mean inferior.
Even considering the allegations that Islam mistreats the women, let me share something with you:
Cut the crap okay? We both know that in many Muslim countries such as Syria, Marocco and others, women are treated as inferior human beings.
So what? There are also examples of women converting to Christianity. And even more examples of Muslim women converting to atheism. In general those who convert to Islam, are people who were bullied or outsiders of our community. I've seen enough examples of such.
Originally posted by bosna87
reply to post by ShooterSix
i hope u burn in hell
GOD Almighty Chose the land of Palestine to be the Jews' "Promise Land", and thus, ordered them to go into it and fight the pagans there so they can have possession over it:
Numbers 13:26-28 26 They came back to Moses and Aaron and the whole Israelite community at Kadesh in the Desert of Paran. There they reported to them and to the whole assembly and showed them the fruit of the land. 27 They gave Moses this account: "We went into the land to which you sent us, and it does flow with milk and honey! Here is its fruit. 28 But the people who live there are powerful, and the cities are fortified and very large. We even saw descendants of Anak there.
One simple Question: Did the disbelievers in the land of Palestine during the times of Moses start any war with the Hebrews who ORIGINALLY came from Egypt?? Absolutely Not! Later on, the Hebrews or the "Israelites" or the "Jews" (call them as you wish) have committed Pedophilia, Murders and Terrorism against those disbelievers:
"Now kill all the boys [innocent kids]. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man. (Numbers 31:17-18)" Now what crime did the innocent children and non-virgin women commit in order for them to get killed?
also, in islam, lying to ignorant non muslims (infidels, kafir; thats you and me) about the true nature of islam, for the purpose of dominating all governments and societies, is allah-approved and encouraged.
what better way to begin learning more about islam, than by the words of former muslims, who risk their life by leaving islam:
Now back to Jihad, we Muslims do not believe in killing every non-Muslim we encounter. The first step in the process is invitation to Islam. The message of God should be conveyed clearly to the non-Muslims and their doubts should be cleared with wisdom and beautiful preaching. If they still do not choose to accept Islam then if they are Jews, Christians or Magians, they are asked to pay jizyah (tax) and come under Islamic rule or face a state of war. If they are polytheists, then there will be a state of war between them and the Muslims( no jizyah).
In Islam, we believe that denying the existence of God or worshipping others besides God is a heinous crime, in fact the greatest crime there is. It is worse than murder and is most detestable in the sight of God. God has commanded us to fight such people for His sake so that His ordained religion prevails.
216. Jihâd (holy fighting in Allâh's Cause) is ordained for you (Muslims) though you dislike it, and it may be that you dislike a thing which is good for you and that you like a thing which is bad for you. Allâh knows but you do not know.
217. They ask you concerning fighting in the Sacred Months (i.e. 1st, 7th, 11th and 12th months of the Islâmic calendar). Say, "Fighting therein is a great (transgression) but a greater (transgression) with Allâh is to prevent mankind from following the Way of Allâh, to disbelieve in Him, to prevent access to Al-Masjid-al-Harâm (at Makkah), and to drive out its inhabitants, and Al-Fitnah is worse than killing. And they will never cease fighting you until they turn you back from your religion (Islâmic Monotheism) if they can. And whosoever of you turns back from his religion and dies as a disbeliever, then his deeds will be lost in this life and in the Hereafter, and they will be the dwellers of the Fire. They will abide therein forever."
72. Verily, those who believed, and emigrated and strove hard and fought with their property and their lives in the Cause of Allâh as well as those who gave (them) asylum and help, - these are (all) allies to one another. And as to those who believed but did not emigrate (to you O Muhammad SAW), you owe no duty of protection to them until they emigrate, but if they seek your help in religion, it is your duty to help them except against a people with whom you have a treaty of mutual alliance, and Allâh is the All-Seer of what you do.
73. And those who disbelieve are allies to one another, (and) if you (Muslims of the whole world collectively) do not do so (i.e. become allies, as one united block with one Khalifah - chief Muslim ruler for the whole Muslim world to make victorious Allâh's Religion of Islâmic Monotheism), there will be Fitnah (wars, battles, polytheism, etc.) and oppression on earth, and a great mischief and corruption (appearance of polytheism).
I understand your concerns, but there is a great wisdom behind all of God's laws and commandments.
We believe God knows what is best for us. After all he created us and knows us better than we know ourselves.
We should not challenge God's authority.
God knew the intentions of the pagans and their plans. He commanded Muslims to do what is in everyone's best interest.
Oppression on earth and mischief is the result of Muslims becoming divided and abandoning Jihad when necessary.
Wealth is concentrated in the hand of a few while people are starving to death in Africa. The global economy is on the verge of collapse. Violent crimes such as murder, rape, theft etc. are commonplace, even in the the USA. Is this what we want?
In the US, its printed on paper money "In God we Trust". Do we really trust God? Then why are doing what we want to do rather than what God wants us to do?
Originally posted by earthman4
It is very sad to see the hate pushing going on here. I am sure the haters have never even met a Muslim. It is a strange hobby, spreading hate. Live by hate and you will die by hate.
Great wisdom can be found in many sources. What makes the Torah, Gospels, or Qu'ran any different? Much of what's found in those books (as well as wisdom found elsewhere) is often left up to the interpretation of the reader (and Islam is no exception, as evident by the various tribes and sects - and violence between them, ala Shiites and Sunnis for example) If the Qu'ran (or other holy books) is open to interpretation, then the moral compass which guides humanity is not found in that book - but within themselves. So where does YOUR moral compass lead you in regards to murder, reverence, slavery, rape, free speech, etc.
While this may or may not be the case, what evidence is there to suggest that the Qu'ran or ANY holy books are the divinely written word of god? What tangible evidence outside of fallible, decievable, and alterable human experience tells you that that book is God's own word. What outside source of verification do you have?
To subject mankind to islamic rule unchecked would be everybit as heinous as to deny one's right to worship whichever god they choose in whatever fashion they choose (provided it does not also hinder another's human rights). I may not like or agree with other people's life choices, but I'd rather live in a world where I have deal with different, perhaps offensive, freely chosen ideas and values - than to see the right to live ones life as they see fit stripped away. If it means facing hell and your god's fury, then so be it.