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reply posted on 13-10-2008 @ 11:47 AM by Phage

Originally posted by thrundar

Secondly I used to be a private pilot and know a little about weight and flight. I also drove the big semi trailer rigs (80,000 pounds gross)
48,000 pounds of film? That is 24 tons. How did all of that extra weight come into play for the launch, and even more important, how did that extra weight play into recovery, return, of the capsule with the astronauts and 24 tons of film?
Developing film in space? How? Where did they have room? How is the weight and storage figured into all of this? What about the added weight of the processing equipment?

This has nothing to do with the Apollo missions.
Educate yourself

reply posted on 14-10-2008 @ 02:09 AM by Zelong

Originally posted by thrundar

Secondly I used to be a private pilot and know a little about weight and flight. I also drove the big semi trailer rigs (80,000 pounds gross)
48,000 pounds of film? That is 24 tons. How did all of that extra weight come into play for the launch, and even more important, how did that extra weight play into recovery, return, of the capsule with the astronauts and 24 tons of film?
Developing film in space? How? Where did they have room? How is the weight and storage figured into all of this? What about the added weight of the processing equipment?

G'day thrundar,

This was all done on,Auto development and Download.

On the self-development of film in the space craft as this was a well developed technique used in spy satellites (though as you probably know, the film was ejected and caught by aircraft). If they slow scanned the negatives on the orbiter and sent them back via a fairly low bandwidth down link then an instrumentation recorder would have been a perfectly viable device to capture the images on.

Regards
Zelong.

reply posted on 15-10-2008 @ 08:21 AM by thrundar

This has nothing to do with the Apollo missions.
Educate yourself

Phage. Thank you for the link. Quite a bit to learn here. However one thing is strange. Whenever I use the keywords "uncensored nasa moon image" or "photo" in a search, nothing comes up in the results from / for nasa's sites. Yeah..I know, that was off topic.

reply posted on 15-10-2008 @ 11:27 AM by Phage

reply to post by thrundar

Try a simple "lunar images".

um...not a one-liner.

reply posted on 15-10-2008 @ 12:04 PM by susp3kt

Originally posted by welivefortheson
i believe the pirate flag may actually be a reference to skull and bones,that secret masonic society whos members include many of those who are responsible for the grand cover up,the cabalic elites so to speak.

could this a be a signal to them?,in the manner of "were bringing it out".

i am also interested in seeing whats in the images,they were classified for some reason.....

also mcdonalds......mcdonald douglas?????,any meaning there?,is this symbolic code?

And yes, the conspiracy continues, with McDonalds' long and sordid history with the Apollo program...

yes i see zorgon saw this too,mcdonald douglas,part of the skunk works and boeing those who built most of the lunar equipment.

[edit on 26-9-2008 by welivefortheson]

I haven't finished the whole thread yet. But...I hope someone has pointed out that the correct company name is not McDonald Douglas. The McDonnell Douglas company was founded from the firms of James Smith McDonnell and Donald Wills Douglas.

The pirate flag in this particular McDonalds = A link to the secret society Skull & Bones? C'mon man...

What information do you have that McDonald's was involved in the Apollo program? Could you link me? I'm not trying to sling mud, but seems you are digging pretty deep here.

Edit: Grammer & content.

[edit on 15-10-2008 by susp3kt]

reply posted on 13-11-2008 @ 09:26 AM by Anonymous ATS

Well I can verify part of the chicken coupe story it wasnt a chicken coupe it was a garage in L.A. owned by my family. I helped Steve load those monster machines aprox 4 hours . I took him and his sidekick to pick up the rental trucks.
For all my troubles the only thing I asked of him was be careful when they exit the property. I had to go to work and trusted him to be a man of his word.
He cashed the wall and took off and like a child, after weeks of his denial at first then admission and promise to pay, he just blew it off.
So no chicken coupe,one broken wall,and no regard for anyone
I have pictures (not touched up)
Its an intresting story just not a intresting man
Mike F

reply posted on 13-11-2008 @ 10:04 AM by pugguy6619

Originally posted by Anonymous ATS
Well I can verify part of the chicken coupe story it wasnt a chicken coupe it was a garage in L.A. owned by my family. I helped Steve load those monster machines aprox 4 hours . I took him and his sidekick to pick up the rental trucks.
For all my troubles the only thing I asked of him was be careful when they exit the property. I had to go to work and trusted him to be a man of his word.
He cashed the wall and took off and like a child, after weeks of his denial at first then admission and promise to pay, he just blew it off.
So no chicken coupe,one broken wall,and no regard for anyone
I have pictures (not touched up)
Its an intresting story just not a intresting man
Mike F

reply posted on 14-11-2008 @ 02:01 AM by zorgon

UPDATE

Found by Zarniwoop... Seems the Cat is out of the bag

NASA Unveils 42-Year-old Historic Lunar Image

NASA Unveils 42-Year-old Historic Lunar Image

PRESS RELEASE
Date Released: Monday, November 10, 2008
Source: Ames Research Center - Comments Comments

MOFFETT FIELD, Calif. - NASA will hold a media briefing at 3 p.m. PST on Thursday, Nov. 13, 2008, to unveil a newly restored historic image from the early days of lunar exploration and discuss the innovative processing technique used to retrieve the image.

The briefing will take place in the Ames Research Center auditorium, Bldg. N-201. NASA officials will be available to discuss the recovery process and the scientific value of the iconic images to the next generation of explorers as NASA plans to return to the moon. A tour of the restoration facility will be offered following the briefing.

Briefing participants are:

- S. Pete Worden, Ames Research Center Director
- Greg Schmidt, Deputy Director, NASA Lunar Science Institute, NASA Ames
- Dennis Wingo, Image Recovery Project Lead, Huntsville, Ala.
- Charles J. Byrne, Lunar Image Expert, Middletown, N.J.

For news media representatives unable to attend, a roundtable discussion will be held following the briefing. Reporters wanting to participate must call Mike Mewhinney at 650-604-3937 by Wednesday, Nov. 12, 2008.

Driving Directions: To reach NASA Ames, take the Moffett Field/NASA Parkway exit off U.S. 101 and drive east on Moffett Boulevard towards the main gate. At the main gate, pull into the small parking lot on your right and enter the Visitor Badge Office to obtain a visitor pass. The auditorium is located directly behind the administration building as you enter the center.

For more information about NASA Ames Research Center, visit:

www.spaceref.com...

S. Pete Worden, Ames Research Center Director

Well so Pete Worden is involved now...

Who is Pete Worden? I did a thread here on his appointment.

Pete Worden: the new guy at Ames

In 1991, when the Strategic Defense Initiative Organization (SDIO) decided to go ahead with developing a flight demonstration vehicle for a single stage to orbit (SSTO) system, then-Lieutenant Colonel Pete Worden supervised the efforts of Jess Sponable, Bill Gaubatz, and others, which ended up creating the revolutionary DC-X. This program proved, among other things, that one does not need hundreds of millions or billions of dollars to do valuable rocket science. The whole program ended up costing around $80 million. It showed that a reusable rocket with vertical takeoff and landing capability can be developed, and that smart use of existing technology can keep development costs to a minimum.

It also taught Worden something about bureaucratic politics between NASA, Air Force and the rest of the US Government. And, as the saying goes, “he has the scars on his back to prove it”.

In 1994, along with Pedro Rustan, he led the innovative and still controversial Clementine Moon probe. This low-cost project, run out of a town house in Alexandria, Virginia, tested sensors for the missile defense program and also found indications, but not hard proof, that there was water ice in the Moon’s polar regions.

www.thespacereview.com...

So he was involved in the Star Wars program and the director of Clementine Mission...

He is also involved with the "Mars on Earth" Project...

www.marsonearth.org...

And now he is heading up the project on these Lunar Orbiter tapes...

Oh well it was a nice dream...

reply posted on 14-11-2008 @ 02:02 AM by Phage

More:
www.abovetopsecret.com...

reply posted on 14-11-2008 @ 02:19 AM by zorgon

Originally posted by Anonymous ATS
Well I can verify part of the chicken coupe story it wasn't a chicken coupe it was a garage in L.A. owned by my family.

Hmmm Seems Spaceref got the drop on us on THIS one... Thanks Zarniwoop for digging it up

The FR-900 drives in Nancy Evan's garage - the first time we saw them in February 2007. Credit: LOIRP/MOONVIEWS.COM

Seems the Chicken coop is only a few feet away..

The FR-900 drives in Nancy Evan's garage had some neighbors living a few feet away. Credit: LOIRP/MOONVIEWS.COM

Interior of one of the FR-900 tape drives before refurbishment began. Credit: LOIRP/MOONVIEWS.COM

www.moonviews.com...

Now it also seems that other people more directly involved also thought the tapes were MISSING

James Fincannon:

Excellent work! These images have unequaled resolution (so far). I had thought the tapes degraded, lost or destroyed, or at the very least, unreadable due to lost devices to read them. Didn't some of the readers get stolen?

www.moonviews.com...

Here is a sample of the "Increased Resolution" Image on left original... image on right new scan from tapes

BIG PICTURE

Uh huh I can see the better quality...

So NASA put top dog Gen. Pete Worden in charge of these LO images... I guess we can expect to see LOTS

I'm tired... going to bad...

[edit on 14-11-2008 by zorgon]

reply posted on 14-11-2008 @ 10:35 AM by Phage

reply to post by zorgon

I wasn't really expecting much higher quality than that which we have from USGS. The data on the tapes is the analog scan from the film. It was originally turned back into film then that film was digitized. They've skipped one step but they cant retrieve any information that wasn't on the original film or scan. The dynamic range is part of that information as is the original resolution.

[edit on 14-11-2008 by Phage]

reply posted on 14-11-2008 @ 08:03 PM by zorgon

Originally posted by Phage
I wasn't really expecting much higher quality than that which we have from USGS.

Ah well... I was hoping at least to get some of those missing image numbers from USGS

But maybe what we need to do is a fund raiser and get our own camera's up there.

reply posted on 15-11-2008 @ 12:59 AM by zorgon

NASA unveils lunar image recovery project
November 13, 2008 4:57 PM PST

FULL SIZE

NASA has released a fully restored 42-year-old image of Earth taken from the moon. The image was released as part of a project that will allow scientists at NASA and beyond to compare historical images of the moon with new images that will be captured when NASA sends new missions to the moon in the coming years.
(Credit: NASA/LOIRP)

news.cnet.com...

I guess the hornets nest has been stirred now. At least ATS was at the for front of the story

Now THIS one is interesting. The above image is a section from LO I - 102

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[edit on 15-11-2008 by zorgon]

reply posted on 17-11-2008 @ 10:30 AM by Dr. X

Zorgon,
Sorry that I have been away so long. I was very busy as I am directly involved in the Lunar Orbiter Data Recovery project, at least for now. On the 13th of this month I was at NASA Ames Research Center at Moffett Field for the public release of this project - which you know about already. The link is here:

www.collectspace.com...

The video on that site was taken at that conference.

However, there is a back story to all of this and I will ultimately put it up on my web site which will reveal what my involvement in this project is. When I do, I will post a link to it here if you like. It should be fairly soon. Sorry to say that there are no conspiracies about moon bases etc. that I am aware of, but I can tell about an interesting encounter that I had with Richard Hoagland around 1996 concerning his claims if you like.

Also I must say that I was impressed as to how one of your readers tracked down the site. Who would have imagined that there was a list of CLOSED McDonalds! Open, yes. Closed? Never. Live and learn. Apparently one person actually did show up at the site, so I was told (I wasn't there at the time). I believe he is the one who said that they were 'just a bunch of guys who had an interesting project and that is all they wanted to do.' And that is the truth. The dataset represents, according to some estimates, about 1.2 terra bytes of information, which is a real treasure trove for researchers when digitized. This is because up to now that data was available in one of two formats: about 2,000 each of 28" x 30" prints (very expensive), or about 35 microfiche (not as expensive - but you need a reader and the resolution is less). Soon they will be available as a CD or DVD at a modest cost - or directly down-loadable. As the resolution is unprecedented, issues as to whether the "glass towers" etc. are real or are processing artifacts should be resolved fairly easily. I'm voting for 'processing artifacts' myself.

In the mean time can I ask a favor of you? I would like to know if there is a link to the original posting that started this thread? That is the one with the video and all the other information that started this whole thing. Can you post it for me? Thanks in advance.

Also is it possible to contact you directly? It is a Dragon related thing.

Thanks again.

~ Dr. X ~

reply posted on 17-11-2008 @ 02:39 PM by zorgon

Originally posted by Dr. X I am directly involved in the Lunar Orbiter Data Recovery project,

Hmmm why am I not surprised by this?

Sorry to say that there are no conspiracies about moon bases etc. that I am aware of, but I can tell about an interesting encounter that I had with Richard Hoagland around 1996 concerning his claims if you like.

No moon bases?

but I would like to get your opinion about a certain 'rock'

and I would love to here your Hoagland story... on or off the record

Soon they will be available as a CD or DVD at a modest cost - or directly down-loadable.

So ummmm a signed copy for all the free advertising?

If your still on that 'limited budget' try MIXONIC for DVD/CD. They are very close to you downton SF and have a small minimum of only 100 for 179.00.
Includes:
• CD duplication
• Black disc printing
• Full color 2-panel insert
• Thin jewel case

They did a great job for us... ready in two days

In the mean time can I ask a favor of you? I would like to know if there is a link to the original posting that started this thread?

The original links that started this threat were the two posts on Flicker that were deleted and the one youtube video. The information and original photo are still on my website, though not the comments from other users. However I do have both those pages saved in 'archives' as well as the youtube video...

As I only had permission for the first two... I did not copy those to my site. So I cannot post it unless I get authorization, but I can email you a copy... since your with the project.

The rest of the material is collected here... with the first comments from Flicker by Steve Jurvetson. There is also one other person I am in contact with who wishes to remain anonymous at this time... Hehe but it could be you for all I know

Also is it possible to contact you directly? It is a Dragon related thing.

standauffish@earthlink.net

Thanks for popping in... I had a lot more to post but thought it best to 'hold off' as 'requested'

[edit on 17-11-2008 by zorgon]

reply posted on 17-11-2008 @ 02:47 PM by Maxmars

reply to post by Dr. X

Here's to much success to you and your colleagues in your efforts! Hope we can see them soon, unless NASA can cook up a reason not to share *sigh*.

MM

reply posted on 17-11-2008 @ 03:28 PM by StargateSG7

I noticed in some of the released images the vertical banding
that occurred during the scanning phase..Are these scanning artifacts
from the videotape read process itself or they artifacts from the
cameras on the lunar orbiters which only took small vertical swaths
of imagery to be stiched together using an optical process?

I can suggest a custom digital signal processing algorithm of mine
which could change the luminance values of the banding borders to
more closely match the interior of the image swaths.

If someone wants to send me a high resolution version
of a vertically banded moon image (in an Uncompressed TIFF,
TGA, PNG, BMP OR RAW RGB FORMAT BUT NOT JPEG!!!!)
I'll use my custom built software to fix it as much as possible.

Since it's a neural net, I can train it on 1 to 10 images and
then let it loose on all the others where my algorithm will then
automatically detect the luminance changes in the banding borders
and then normalize across the entire image so that we get a clearer
photo. I can also get rid of a lot of the stochastic noise
which will be perceived as an apparent increase in resolution.

Email me at henry@comwave.com
and i'll give it a whirl...it only takes
a few minutes to run the algorithm
and I'll post the results on ATS or
email it back to the original emailer!

reply posted on 17-11-2008 @ 03:49 PM by zorgon

Here is the Official NASA release...

NASA Unveils 42-Year-Old Historic Lunar Image
www.nasa.gov...

Here is the Official NASA CORRECTION

RELEASE : 08_99AR
Correction -- NASA Restores Historic Lunar Orbiter Image
www.nasa.gov...

Good old NASA... Never A Straight Answer

Lunar Orbiter Image Recovery Project (LOIRP) Overview
www.nasa.gov...

Download video about the LOIRP project.
www.nasa.gov...

Here is a website by Keith Cowing with more pictures and facts, as well as some Lunar Images From Chandrayaan-1

www.moonviews.com...

reply posted on 17-11-2008 @ 03:52 PM by zorgon

Originally posted by StargateSG7
Are these scanning artifacts
from the videotape read process itself or they artifacts from the
cameras on the lunar orbiters which only took small vertical swaths
of imagery to be stitched together using an optical process?