Interesting to say the least.

But I have a problem with the prestine condition of the gear sitting in an abandoned McD's, or any other place for that matter.

As a degreed electronic engineer, anything electronic, especially equipment of that era, as it ages the components become so out of tolorance that they become useless to a point of having to replace those aged components. Things like capacitors, solder connections, wire insualtion, belts, motors, coils especially the types of coils used to tune or notch filter or set up an oscillator, will be so old that its more likely the unit will not function at all.

Then there is the obvious "cleanness" appearance of an abandoned McD's building. Looking at other objects in the images, this place appears to have been cleaned on a daily basis ready to curn out hamburgers and fries.

At some point, someone would have seen trucks unloading that huge rack of heavy equipment and loads of tape canisters. Can someone verify that at one time, this abandoned McD's building had trucks and workers unloading this stuff into the place?

And why so suddenly does this come to light when its been a short while regarding the inquery to the alledged missing tapes of moon missions???? I would more likely beleive that the timming of all this seems to be just about right for a fabrication to be constructed.

They might as well parked all that stuff in an abandoned building somewhere on a lonely highway in the middle of nowhere. That would be more believable than some McD building in a town or city bustling with activity and someone would have seen something at some point.

And why would the person discovering this stuff go to No Anomaly Seen Alright anyway? Going to the fox and asking the fox to guard the hen house and expecting the hens to be safe is stupid.

If this person/s who found this stuff wanted funding and if it was a genuine find, they would have been better off not saying anything at all and being like that "Victor" fella and slowly telling their story in interviews and overnight radio talk programs.

An interesting story regardless!! Even tho its old just wanted to put my 2 cents in.

Cheers!!!!

[edit on 2-10-2008 by RFBurns]

Originally posted by zorgon

Originally posted by ziggystar60
I am also curious, where excactly is this abandoned McDonalds located? And do you have any idea how the missing tapes ended up there?

Jack has been tracking it down... he thinks he knows where it is...

The fellow that sent me the scoop (the photographer) has not yet replied back... I will keep you posted... That is a LOT of footage... it is currently my understanding that he does not intend to just hand them over to NASA... but it sucks that they are already there

holy crap zorgon, this is absolutely mind bottleling! yes, i said it.
truly amzing, i only have to ask, do u want fries with your cover-up?

As a somewhat reasonably talented self-taught CNC machinist
and a formally-educated computer science/Video production specialist,
I have an interesting idea that I'll float in ATS for your opinion.....

Since I have a pretty good design for a gyroscopically stabilized
2000 mm optical telecope with 12 megapixel 60fps progressive
scan video camera, could I not point it AT the moon and see what I get
using a very high-flying aircraft?

I do know about the atmospheric distortion and aerosol effects such as
clouds, mists, differeing densities of air that would affect the final image....
so my question for you climatologists out there is how many
feet (or metres) UP do I need to be in order to be free from
atmospheric distortion effects on a 2000 mm scope.

100,000 feet! 200,000 feet! higher?

How far can I scale up in diameter a hemispherical/paraboloid
optical lens before the glass/quartz itself becomes a limiting factor
in resolving power at heights between sea level to 300,000 feet
for the telescope?

At what size/diameter point does a refractor scope assembly
become a necessity for taking pictures of the surface of the moon
equivalent to the lunar orbiter tapes?

And what size refractor/mirror would I need to see resolutions
equivalent to a 1 meter per pixel resolution and 30 cm per pixel Resolution?

Please note my CNC machine has the capability to grind a
72 inch (6 foot) diameter mirror so what's my optimal mirror size
for a telescope to resolve a hi-res photo of the moon's surface?

I have the design and manufacturing capability BUT my optics expertise
quite sucks so any help would be appreciated? Equations
and other optical lens material expertise would be helpful.

Originally posted by StargateSG7
The above Black and White photos of reel-to-reel tape of ths Apollo
landing missions look like 14 inch diameter 1 inch wide mag tapes which
are MUCH different than the ones displayed in the McDonald's photos.

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Again what does steve mean by 70mm -- is he talking about FILM
canisters....or actual Magnetic tape. Anyways my estimated weight
calculations still means that we're not seeing the other 1300+ 2" tapes
that SHOULD BE THERE!

This is getting to be interesting.....

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If it's FILM that needs to be transferred - I can DEFINITELY do that!
Since I've done MILLIONS OF FEET of the stuff!!!!

My optical scanning system ALSO works with 8mm to 16mm to
22mm to 35mm to 70mm to large-scale astrographic films...
POSITIVE PRINT ONLY CURRENTLY but I will be expanding into
NEGATIVES into the near future as I tweak my imaging algorithms.

I guess people are just skipping over these questions because they take all the fun out of this theory.

Several of the members whom certain members have made allegations against are actually researchers and consultants within the fields that you have questions about.

As such, you surely cannot expect them to work for free - or do your work for you. Research takes time, Time costs money. Use your own time, do your own research.

I bet you will attempt to further insult their claims when you get the answers you have demanded, saying they fail to meet whatever criteria you have set in your mind and therefore everything they have said is 'bunk'.

You appear to be competent enough to find the answers to the inquires you have been making perhaps you should do the work, google searches and all.... Unless you are just asking ridiculous questions so you can then say they weren't answered or were ignored so that you can then use those instances to detract from the credibility of the main contributors to this thread - probably by pointing out how they refuse to answer your questions and then stating a slanderous opinion of why they didn't answer your ridiculous list of questions. We've seen this before.

*Notice the post immediately after yours & abocwe mine; it is a prime example of what I am talking about. You have started a chain reaction.

Edit: We should consider ourselves lucky to have people such as Zorgon informing us of new discoveries and keeping us updated in regards to their own research.

Those members don't have to include us in their research, but they do. And they do it because they know that others who have an appreciation for the knowledge will eventually find it, yet they do not have to do this. It is best we do not drive them away, it is very rare to have such researchers actively including anonymous persons in their own research.

This sort of opportunity does not come about often. We best enjoy it while we can

[edit on 5-10-2008 by TruthTellist]