LOL! I will do.
Missing Lunar Orbiter Tapes Found, page 16
privacy
That ought to be good for ATS ratings 
we got that much coverage so quickly? It was only released a few
days ago and already pulled. Maybe he is exaggerating a little? I mean he did post his contact info at Cadilac looking for assistance. 
reply posted on 29-9-2008 @ 10:57 PM by Phage
reply to post by zorgon
As the Apollo Knowledge Transfer presentation says; this is a collaborative effort between NASA, Dennis Wingo of Skycorp, Inc, and the University of Alabama at Huntsville. Skycorp has had contracts with NASA since 2005. The contracts have been for; Aeronautics and Space Technology -- Basic Research (R&D), ADP Input/Output and Storage Devices, and Arts/Graphics Services.
UAH has an ongoing program of creating digital archives of various aspects of US aerospace programs. The completed projects are available. There is every reason to believe that the results of this project will be made available to the public.
[edit on 29-9-2008 by Phage]
As the Apollo Knowledge Transfer presentation says; this is a collaborative effort between NASA, Dennis Wingo of Skycorp, Inc, and the University of Alabama at Huntsville. Skycorp has had contracts with NASA since 2005. The contracts have been for; Aeronautics and Space Technology -- Basic Research (R&D), ADP Input/Output and Storage Devices, and Arts/Graphics Services.
UAH has an ongoing program of creating digital archives of various aspects of US aerospace programs. The completed projects are available. There is every reason to believe that the results of this project will be made available to the public.
[edit on 29-9-2008 by Phage]
reply posted on 29-9-2008 @ 11:05 PM by BlasteR
Originally posted by Electro38
reply to post by BlasteR
Thanks for posting that, I did not see it. They really are doing something there.
So these were previously classified, and now declassified tapes?
Yea I'm guessing they're declassified since their stockpiled in an abandoned McDonalds... If they weren't, NASA would be firing people (which could already be happening..). Who knows if NASA even knew the exact location this effort was being carried out since it is a collaborative effort between NASA and private industry.
If the gov doesn't ask a question you don't have to answer.. The only catch is when they do.. You get the idea.. Whatever private industries can do to cut corners with the already limited NASA funding means more profit in the end.. And if NASA never really cared to ask where this effort was being undertaken, that's pretty sad.
Nothing happens without some kind of justification.. That is the backbone every federal government funded project and institution. The process is obviously much more convoluted than that but when it gets down to the bare bones of WHY projects such as this are funded, the justification has to be clearly defined, researched, reviewed, etc..
Its also quite possible that NASA just basically told them "Do it wherever you need. We don't really care at this point". Especially given the fact the effort currently within NASA to prepare for manned missions back to the moon in a few years. NASA employees and contractors are running around like chickens with their head cut off trying to do everything at once... Prepare for the manned missions back to the moon, conduct research into an eventual manned mars mission, prepare for the shuttle mission that is set to re-repair the hubble space telescope (which, today, stopped sending signals back to earth altogether). The hubble mission in particular is going to be tricky.. They mission has now been kicked back a few months to add the recent communications failure to the list of things needing to be fixed.. That isn't as simple as re-writing the flight plan. Astronauts have to be trained, engineers have to figure out what can be done to fix the problem, etc....
NASA currently plans on new imaging missions to the moon to look for manned-mission landing sites for when the mission(s) eventually take place (which seems like a huge waste of money given the amount of extreme detail we already have of the moon). But if images of the moon are what NASA really wants right now to find those landing sites, you could see how everyone would be in a hurry with regards to this effort at McDonalds ((LAUGH))!
-ChriS
[edit on 29-9-2008 by BlasteR]
reply posted on 29-9-2008 @ 11:55 PM by Phage
reply to post by zorgon
Dunno. No federal contract for 2008.
I won't speculate but I'm sure someone will.
Dunno. No federal contract for 2008.
I won't speculate but I'm sure someone will.
reply posted on 30-9-2008 @ 12:05 AM by mikesingh
Originally posted by ZeroGhost
reply to post by zorgon
I am an Airbrush expert. I used several types and brands daily for illustrating from the 70's to the late 90's photo retouching, illustrating and such.
ZG
Ahh... ZG! Now I know who's been assisting NASA with the airbrushing! Lol!
Hey Zorg, now where the dickens are those tapes? Thanks to Stargate who's willing to help, but without them it's just turning out to be a pointless execise.
reply posted on 30-9-2008 @ 12:36 AM by StargateSG7
Regarding my own quote posted earlier:
===
"His demeanor on the phone was professional and courteous,
although he did express his obvious chagrin at the myriad
of "Conspiracy Sites" and "Nutcases" that have created
a worldwide furore over his efforts. He indicated his
displeasure at being hampered by the constant and
bothersome interruptions and would prefer that he
be allowed to continue his efforts in peace."
=====
I should CAUTION READERS that the words "myriad" and
"worldwide furore" are MY OWN words and NOT a direct quote
from Mr. Wingo...He indicated that more than one site and more
than one person has basically caused him to feel harassed
and/or bothered. He did NOT specifically mention an exact
number or the names of other sites. The humerous thing was
he mentioned ATS specifically WITHOUT ANY prompting from me!
And again I wish to re-iterate that he was courteous and
professional on the phone but was obviously ANNOYED
at all the attention.
====
On a secondary point regarding photographic manipulation techniques,
MODERN FORENSIC technology would pick up film grain mismatches
in older photographs done using the older "analog" methods
of airbrushing.
And the painting of pixels and digital manipulation was first demonstrated
from what I understand at the precursor to the MIT Media Lab in the
mid 1970's within the auspices of a pre-1980's Project Athena networking
system and using workstations/minisupers such as the 1970's era
DEC PDP 11/Vax 750/Vax 780 and early 1980' era Apollo, Stardent,
Convex and other early pix-oriented computer systems.
Lucasfilm begat some SERIOUS pixel magic when some ex-employees
spun off into their own companies to create the AVID Video editing
system and Photoshop Paint program and then the computer graphics
industry that we have today....!!!!
I remember when 1024 by 768 pixels at 256 (i.e. 8-bit) colour was costing
us over $80,000 U.S. and Now I'm working at 1920 by 1200 pixels
at 64 bit colour and it cost me only $600. I also remember having to
lift a 90 lbs monitor onto desks which was no fun for me....
My new 30" monitor is going to be 2500+ by 1600 pixels and
with a lot more horsepower than MANY of
those early workstations combined!
I'll throw THIS TIDBIT out there though, I DISTINCTLY remember
going to a computer demonstration in 1979 (when I was 9 YEARS
OLD!) where a Commodore PET computer was doing full blown colour
raster imaging using an unusual black-box add-on that a computer scientist
(didn't know what that was at the time) at the demo had said was the most
powerful imaging system on Earth and that many important people were
using it right now! I do remember the ego-fed demeanor and the obvious
pride in those statements but I didn't recognize at the time what
it all meant, just that it was important.
=====
EDIT: FURTHER CLARIFICATION:
I should also note that it was NOT the Commodore PET computer
that was doing the processing but rather a black-curtained box
about the size of an 80 litre (20 gallon) cooler which was
manipulating the first ever high-resolution bitmap of an
aerial photograph I had ever seen AND it was also drawing
vector-based graphics ON TOP of the bitmap.
The Commodore PET computer was used as a front end to input
commands and issue instructions to what in later years
I realized was a multi-CPU raster processor attached to
a high-resolution VERY LARGE ALMOST-SQUARE CRT monitor
of unknown make (possibly Evans & Sutherland?).
I should also note that I have found patents that reference
ultra high resolution raster scanning displays that were
filed as early as 1970 !!!!!
See this link:
www.freepatentsonline.com...
=====
Looking back, I remember that the resolution was stated to be 1k+ by 1k+
pixels (i.e. 1000+ by 1000+ pixels) and I have come to realize that at the
time, I had probably viewed the world's highest resolution colour computer
monitor YEARS BEFORE such displays became common place.
So I am inclined to believe that at least since 1978, we have had raster
scanning systems in the white-budget world of AT LEAST 1000 by 1000
pixels and probably DOUBLE THAT within the Black Budget world!
My belief in those memories is bolstered by the fact that 1000+ lines of
resolution were being worked on by the Japanese and American television
industry as early as 1968 with NHK Japan's analog-based MUSE HDTV
system.
Although I cannot remember the specific words or the exact place or time
or the name of the computer scientist, I DO remember those particular
words "Most Powerful imaging system on Earth" and for some reason
I KNEW that this was IMPORTANT and that I needed to PAY ATTENTION!
I personally know of and have SEEN monitor resolutions of greater than
100,000 by 100,000 pixels using multiple MATCHED projection systems
fed by distributed-image processing systems so I would NOT
be surprised at the advances in imaging technology and I would ALSO
NOT be surprised at what could have been possible as early
as the late 1960's!
I have also seen a DEMO of one of the FIRST RGB laser projection systems
that had an ultra-sharp, very colourful resolution of over 5000 lines at
24-bit colour and was told it could be easily expanded to many
MILLIONS of lines if enough frame-buffer memory and bandwidth was
available to drive the RGB lasers and this was in 1996!
[edit on 30-9-2008 by StargateSG7]
[edit on 30-9-2008 by StargateSG7]
===
"His demeanor on the phone was professional and courteous,
although he did express his obvious chagrin at the myriad
of "Conspiracy Sites" and "Nutcases" that have created
a worldwide furore over his efforts. He indicated his
displeasure at being hampered by the constant and
bothersome interruptions and would prefer that he
be allowed to continue his efforts in peace."
=====
I should CAUTION READERS that the words "myriad" and
"worldwide furore" are MY OWN words and NOT a direct quote
from Mr. Wingo...He indicated that more than one site and more
than one person has basically caused him to feel harassed
and/or bothered. He did NOT specifically mention an exact
number or the names of other sites. The humerous thing was
he mentioned ATS specifically WITHOUT ANY prompting from me!
And again I wish to re-iterate that he was courteous and
professional on the phone but was obviously ANNOYED
at all the attention.
====
On a secondary point regarding photographic manipulation techniques,
MODERN FORENSIC technology would pick up film grain mismatches
in older photographs done using the older "analog" methods
of airbrushing.
And the painting of pixels and digital manipulation was first demonstrated
from what I understand at the precursor to the MIT Media Lab in the
mid 1970's within the auspices of a pre-1980's Project Athena networking
system and using workstations/minisupers such as the 1970's era
DEC PDP 11/Vax 750/Vax 780 and early 1980' era Apollo, Stardent,
Convex and other early pix-oriented computer systems.
Lucasfilm begat some SERIOUS pixel magic when some ex-employees
spun off into their own companies to create the AVID Video editing
system and Photoshop Paint program and then the computer graphics
industry that we have today....!!!!
I remember when 1024 by 768 pixels at 256 (i.e. 8-bit) colour was costing
us over $80,000 U.S. and Now I'm working at 1920 by 1200 pixels
at 64 bit colour and it cost me only $600. I also remember having to
lift a 90 lbs monitor onto desks which was no fun for me....
My new 30" monitor is going to be 2500+ by 1600 pixels and
with a lot more horsepower than MANY of
those early workstations combined!
I'll throw THIS TIDBIT out there though, I DISTINCTLY remember
going to a computer demonstration in 1979 (when I was 9 YEARS
OLD!) where a Commodore PET computer was doing full blown colour
raster imaging using an unusual black-box add-on that a computer scientist
(didn't know what that was at the time) at the demo had said was the most
powerful imaging system on Earth and that many important people were
using it right now! I do remember the ego-fed demeanor and the obvious
pride in those statements but I didn't recognize at the time what
it all meant, just that it was important.
=====
EDIT: FURTHER CLARIFICATION:
I should also note that it was NOT the Commodore PET computer
that was doing the processing but rather a black-curtained box
about the size of an 80 litre (20 gallon) cooler which was
manipulating the first ever high-resolution bitmap of an
aerial photograph I had ever seen AND it was also drawing
vector-based graphics ON TOP of the bitmap.
The Commodore PET computer was used as a front end to input
commands and issue instructions to what in later years
I realized was a multi-CPU raster processor attached to
a high-resolution VERY LARGE ALMOST-SQUARE CRT monitor
of unknown make (possibly Evans & Sutherland?).
I should also note that I have found patents that reference
ultra high resolution raster scanning displays that were
filed as early as 1970 !!!!!
See this link:
www.freepatentsonline.com...
=====
Looking back, I remember that the resolution was stated to be 1k+ by 1k+
pixels (i.e. 1000+ by 1000+ pixels) and I have come to realize that at the
time, I had probably viewed the world's highest resolution colour computer
monitor YEARS BEFORE such displays became common place.
So I am inclined to believe that at least since 1978, we have had raster
scanning systems in the white-budget world of AT LEAST 1000 by 1000
pixels and probably DOUBLE THAT within the Black Budget world!
My belief in those memories is bolstered by the fact that 1000+ lines of
resolution were being worked on by the Japanese and American television
industry as early as 1968 with NHK Japan's analog-based MUSE HDTV
system.
Although I cannot remember the specific words or the exact place or time
or the name of the computer scientist, I DO remember those particular
words "Most Powerful imaging system on Earth" and for some reason
I KNEW that this was IMPORTANT and that I needed to PAY ATTENTION!
I personally know of and have SEEN monitor resolutions of greater than
100,000 by 100,000 pixels using multiple MATCHED projection systems
fed by distributed-image processing systems so I would NOT
be surprised at the advances in imaging technology and I would ALSO
NOT be surprised at what could have been possible as early
as the late 1960's!
I have also seen a DEMO of one of the FIRST RGB laser projection systems
that had an ultra-sharp, very colourful resolution of over 5000 lines at
24-bit colour and was told it could be easily expanded to many
MILLIONS of lines if enough frame-buffer memory and bandwidth was
available to drive the RGB lasers and this was in 1996!
[edit on 30-9-2008 by StargateSG7]
[edit on 30-9-2008 by StargateSG7]
reply posted on 30-9-2008 @ 02:39 AM by StargateSG7
reply to post by zorgon
===
This Quote:
Seems you are already known to the team Mr Henry A. Eckstein
=====
Hmm....Which team per chance do YOU mean...???
Although I am NOT WELL KNOWN as far as I know in any corridor of power,
I do have some afficionados in the computer graphics realm who seem
to like my work thus I would be VERY INTERESTED to find out if
my very tiny sphere of influence has possibly expanded to realms
both flattering and/or sinister!
Perhaps you could U2U me as to whom I should be sucking up to
or whom I should be wary of.... :-)
===
This Quote:
Seems you are already known to the team Mr Henry A. Eckstein
=====
Hmm....Which team per chance do YOU mean...???
Although I am NOT WELL KNOWN as far as I know in any corridor of power,
I do have some afficionados in the computer graphics realm who seem
to like my work thus I would be VERY INTERESTED to find out if
my very tiny sphere of influence has possibly expanded to realms
both flattering and/or sinister!
Perhaps you could U2U me as to whom I should be sucking up to
or whom I should be wary of.... :-)
reply posted on 30-9-2008 @ 08:25 AM by Anonymous ATS
This McDonalds is at Ames Research Center, right? You should start contacting the public affairs people there. Of course they won't answer any
questions bcause they are part of the coverup but if enough people demand to know what is going on maybe others will come forth and tell us what is
really going on in their and why things are being hidden from public view. Go to their webpage here www.nasa.gov...
reply posted on 30-9-2008 @ 10:19 AM by skekke
reply to post by BRQuick
nice!!! wonder what that cross ( + ) is doing 3 cm under the big crater on top of the picture...
nice!!! wonder what that cross ( + ) is doing 3 cm under the big crater on top of the picture...
reply posted on 30-9-2008 @ 10:27 AM by undo
reply to post by skekke
i can answer this one (i think). that's a registration mark. if you saw more of width or length of the image, you'd see more of them. they are part of the camera's overlay of the film. it's like a grid and that's one of the intersections of the overlay...or something like that.
i can answer this one (i think). that's a registration mark. if you saw more of width or length of the image, you'd see more of them. they are part of the camera's overlay of the film. it's like a grid and that's one of the intersections of the overlay...or something like that.
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