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Traitors or Saviors?

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posted on Sep, 25 2008 @ 02:02 PM
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Done deal:
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WASHINGTON - Key Republicans and Democrats reported agreement in principle Thursday on a $700 billion bailout of the financial industry and said they would present it to the Bush administration in hopes of a vote within days.


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[edit on 9/25/2008 by stander]




posted on Sep, 25 2008 @ 09:32 PM
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Deal undone:
www.msnbc.msn.com...


Tentative agreement on bailout falls apart

Paulson, Bernanke to meet with Congressional leaders to revive agreement


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posted on Sep, 25 2008 @ 09:52 PM
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this guy /economist (micheal hudson) does not seem to be held by a leash, i agree that there is a two party system (w each having dems and rebuplicans) 1. the establishment/wall street party and 2. the minority , the non paid off congressmen without turning there back on the little people and the constitution in favor of big industry (esp. finance, big pharma, insurance, military, who ever.

www.itulip.com...




The banksters’ plan now is for icing on the cake – to take Mr. Paulson’s $700 billion and run. It’s not a “bailout of the financial system.” It’s as giveaway – to insiders, to sell out all their bad bets. Companies across the board will get rid of their bad mortgages, and also their bad car loans, furniture time payments, credit-card loans, student loans – all the debts that any competent actuary could have told them never could have been paid in the first place.




As Financial Times columnist Martin Wolf noted on Wednesday, Sept. 24, the problem is that the face value of mortgage loans and a raft of other bad loans far exceeds current market prices or prices that are likely to be realized this year, next year or the year after that. They are packaged into what the financial press rightly calls “toxic.” The bailout is not efficient, he writes, “because it can only deal with insolvency by buying bad assets at far above their true value, thereby guaranteeing big losses for taxpayers and providing an open-ended bail-out to the most irresponsible investors.” “The simplest way to recapitalize institutions,” He concludes, is “by forcing them to raise equity and halt dividends. If that did not work, there could be forced conversions of debt into equity. The attraction of debt-equity swaps is that they would create losses for creditors, which are essential for the long-run health of any financial system.” This is the key: if debts cannot be paid, then creditors must take losses.



These bad loans are toxic because they can only be sold at a loss – if at all, because foreign investors no longer trust the U.S. investment bankers or money managers to be honest. That is the problem that Congress is not willing to come out and face. Many of these loans are outright fraudulent. And they are being sold by crooks. Crooks who work for banks. Crooks who use accounting fraud



The maddest solution of all would be for the government to give the extractive financial sector even more money – funds that no private lenders have been willing to provide, not even vulture funds. No private firm has been able to discover what Mr. Paulson and the unfortunate Mr. Bernanke are sanctimoniously promising: that a viable deal, even an almost money-making one, can be made by buying junk now and waiting for “the economy” to make it good.



Promises that “taxpayers” will be able to recover a large part of this money are a fiction. If there were a hope of recovering this money, then investors abroad – foreign buyout funds, foreign banks, foreign sovereign wealth funds – would have been willing to buy Bear Stearns, Lehman Brothers, A.I.G. and other companies at some price. But they wouldn’t touch this at any price.


THE BIG QUESTION is will our foreign creditors (those country's that own so much of our GOV'T debt keep financing the current world order) or is a NWO (financial order) going to emerge, out of this bailout/ last golden parachute giveaway, and how does this money get the big banks to lend again (how does this give banks the confidence that new loans will be repaid by citizens, or corporation )




[edit on 25-9-2008 by cpdaman]



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