What Number Comes After TRILLION?, page 3

reply to post by altered_states

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If you can fit that number on a check and make it out to me, that would be fine.

My bank (if it exists when the check clears) would love that deposit.

reply to post by EnlightenUp

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you said "Aleph Null" is the smallest infinite number? Isnt that kinda like an oxymoron? infinite implys there is no limit. Yet smallest implies there is a limit in either dimension or its summary of representation. I would like to hear your reasoning about this and mebbe an explanation on what precisely Aleph Null is. Im intrigued, and in no way trying to sound sarcastic or put anyone off..I truly am wondering what this Aleph Null is and its interesting description.

Originally posted by zysin5
reply to post by Blaine91555

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Dont forget about googolplex!!! pronounced Glue'Glue'plex
Just how many zeros does Glugluplex have? I think somewhere around 34-35!!!!

1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 is googolplex!

However the numbers keep on going!

Hence IMO the highest number ever is 9!

9 is the highest number before we start back at zero. Im wonder why that is. beyond 9 we have no symbol or charater that creates a higher value other than going back to the root 10, 20, 30. Always back to the root.

Human logic is a trap. Which no one can escape!

Edit-- Im not sure if my spelling is correct on that.. Forgive me if my grammer is off.

[edit on 25-9-2008 by zysin5]

We have ten fingers and ten toes. Figure it out.....

Originally posted by dreadphil
reply to post by EnlightenUp

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you said "Aleph Null" is the smallest infinite number? Isnt that kinda like an oxymoron? infinite implys there is no limit. Yet smallest implies there is a limit in either dimension or its summary of representation. I would like to hear your reasoning about this and mebbe an explanation on what precisely Aleph Null is. Im intrigued, and in no way trying to sound sarcastic or put anyone off..I truly am wondering what this Aleph Null is and its interesting description.

It just popped into my head.

No. It is a way of expressing the cardinality of infinite sets (different sized infinities). The set of integers or primes, for example, which can be put into 1-to-1 correspondence (bijection) with the set of natural numbers; in other words you can number each element 1, 2, 3, etc. This makes it countably infinite and cardinality aleph-0 (null).

There is aleph-1, etc.

To make it easy on myself without straining too hard since I am not an adept in mathematics and number theory: en.wikipedia.org...

[edit on 9/26/2008 by EnlightenUp]

reply to post by jaden_x

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heres a thought, on the assumption you just posted Bi (2) llion , how do we get Mi (?) llion? and also what the hell does 3 have to do with trillion? is it because its the third step up from a million? numbers and maths are fascinating theres something almost magical about numbers , its also a universal language but maybe its also the prison i'll leave you to ponder that thought, good day.

reply to post by Zenagain

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Ah yes, this is what I expect from most people on here.. And I can say Im disappointed at many of you that you can not see the depths to this post.

Sure we have 8 fingers. 2 thumbs. and 10 toes. But all that says to me is that people are counting on their hands to figure out or make formula that suits their needs at the moment.

That is the easy logical trap that you are all caught up within. As I stated there is no escape for some of you out of human logic!

You dont fathom what I am trying to say.. Thus go back to counting yours fingers and toes there my friends, sounds like something simple that you can handle

Now as for our members who are not as mentally shallow.. Let me ask again why is 9 the highest number?

[edit on 26-9-2008 by zysin5]

reply to post by zysin5

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Nine is far from being the highest number.
Did you ever wonder why we have 60 seconds in the minute and 60 minutes in the hour?

Welcome to the Sexagesimal, the Sumerian numeral system with sixty as the base.

reply to post by Kailassa

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again.. Traped within human logic. The numbers and symbols you presented are repeats. Of a number system that goes threw 1-9.
After 9 it goes back to 0 with a 1 in front 10. Yes 10 is higher than 9.

The very system you present is much diffrent than our own. However key symbols repeat. There are only so many symbols for each number, and I understand the funtalmentals of this. If we had numbers and symbols for every high number, we would be lost in thought, we could never understand or take it into our minds to understand. However that is what Im talking about human parameters, and our lowly understanding of the truth of our minds, and math. We are still in the stone age of math. And these numbers serve for the minds who are bound by parameters.

However Im talking about something a big deeper here. Its the human parameters that Im trying to open up. Sure logically 9 is not the highest number.. However 9 in what ever system or lang. you want to use as your base. 9 is the last symbol in the number system.

You could make up something new for 10, or call it ten in written form.
But that doesnt change the parameter that we are collectively trapped within. If we can not break past 9. We will be stuck in a constant loop.
And we will never get past our human logic to understand more beyond this universe. We understand our universe as being numbers 1-9 and then put some zeros behind it to create a larger number, when in essence its our minds that give value to said number.

Our minds create the parameters, and people still are having a hard time trying to understand what Im getting at here.

[edit on 26-9-2008 by zysin5]

Originally posted by zysin5
reply to post by Zenagain

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Now as for our members who are not as mentally shallow.. Let me ask again why is 9 the highest number?

[edit on 26-9-2008 by zysin5]

Quite simply, it isn't-- not as a base for a numbering system in common usage today. Just think about hexadecimal which is common in computer programing since it relates in a convenience way to base-2 (binary) notation.

0 0 00000
1 1 00001
2 2 00010
3 3 00011
4 4 00100
5 5 00101
6 6 00110
7 7 00111
8 8 01000
9 9 01001
10 A 01010
11 B 01011
12 C 01100
13 D 01101
14 E 01110
15 F 01111
16 10 10000
17 11 10001
18 12 10010
19 13 10011
.....

reply to post by EnlightenUp

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Thanks Enlighten up! But I give up. You guys are missing my point.
9 is not the highest number.. However its the symbol and the mental projection of what it entails. In hexidecimal letters can equal numbers.
I guess I dont have the right words, or the right way to try to get what I am trying to say here.
But let me try again, this time I will use letters. A-Z

Thats human parameters. Im speaking about english this time around.
But each human thought has a level where it can not expand upon.
Becasue the system does not have a charater for it.

Such as what is past Z? What is past 9?
Im trying to convey human parameters, and trying to get people to break threw the prison of human logic.

Simply yes. 9 is a low number, and many values go way past nine.
However the number itself is the last in a series of charaters!
Such as Z is the last letter in the english charater system.

There is no system that provides us to go beyond these systems.
However with a little work, and focus you can understand that it goes way beyond 9 way beyond Z. And until then we can see we are trapped within parameters we can get no further mentally, spiritually!

Just as those stuck in the parameters of religion.

I guess I just over think things to much and you guys are trying to tell me something simple. when there is nothing simple about our human parameters.

This thread in essence was made not to see what is really beyond 1 trillion.
This thread was created to challenge our parameters, and our understanding of everything that is. such as we have a symbol for infinity, however none of us known what that really is? its only a symbol or a thought process that projects a meaning.
When if you can put yourself outside the human parameters you will see the little cage we all dance and play within.
I just want you guys to get out of the sandbox for one moment, and look at the scope of what this system has done to us. The system says it has an answer for everything.. Yet many solutions repeat. and go on for infinity. Parameters! break threw them! And then once you break threw those parameters, you will come to find you are bound by new parameters. This is the human logical trap..

[edit on 26-9-2008 by zysin5]

reply to post by zysin5

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You could use anything you want to represent the quantities up to any base you desire.

0=pizza
1=birthday cake
2=kiwi
3=teddy bear
4=t-shirt
....

You can have irrational bases like e and pi or sqrt(2).

reply to post by zysin5

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Well, that is really scary.

and cool.

Of course I have known the infinite distance between 9 and 10...but to have our whole basis of counting limited to 9 is really scary...it implies the idea of something that is very disturbing.

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