reply to post by grover
The age of the nation state is over and if anything we are in the early stages of its death throes. If anything you will see a fragmentation of nation
states into smaller more discreet principalities which will be a good thing . . by the end of the century I foresee the beginnings of a world
federation based on mutual need as opposed to aggressive nation states and that will be a good thing. As for the bailout . . my knee jerk reaction was
to be dead set against it. Now the more I learn the more I realize the choice before us is doing nothing and having a disaster and doing something and
having a real bad time of it. There are no easy or pretty options.
Sweet Jesus, Grover! I note your HOR is Roanoke, which by some oddity or fit of nature, was the name of the first (though it failed) English colony
planted in the New World. The only thing remaining found at the abandoned Roanoke site (now in North Carolina) was the single word carved in a tree -
CROATOAN. Presumably that referring to the Croatoa Indians who lived nearby but no trace was ever found of any of the missing colonists.
Prophets of doom
have been forecasting such an END TIME scenario at least since John of Patmos. See Note 1. While most of us do not take that
writing to be literally true, there are many who do including Sarah Palin. People of that belief system are not as urgent in seeking peace between
Israel, the Palestinians and Iran as I’d like to be. They generally assume that it is A)
in GOD’s hand alone and or B)
is inevitable and unchangeable, all things having been fixed “from the foundations of the world.”
I too am a prophet of impending doom.
I worry that we will - if we have not already - cross a tripping point beyond which recovery is not
possible. I am more concerned today that we - the human race - will run out of WATER long before we run out of CRUDE OIL. I know energy intense large
scale desalination supports the 20 million people making up the Saudi Arabian economy, but that is feasible ONLY because the source of energy to run
the plants is FREE.
Here in Florida
where it rains 50 inches a year, on average, we nevertheless get 100% of our municipal drinking water from deep wells. Those
indispensable aquifers are now admitting salt water from the Atlantic. We have to drill false wells to pump fresh water into the ground in order to
halt or slow down the inevitable Atlantic Ocean salt from contaminating our drinking water as we (carelessly) pull DOWN the water table.
Central Florida - Orlando
and its environs - will run out of water in 2012*. Those good folks have already petitioned Tallahassee to allow them to
take 400 million gallons a day from the St. Johns River that Jacksonville thinks of as its very own. We now hear claim and counter-claim that this
will/will not destroy the already seriously threatened St. Johns. *By “run out” I mean they will have no excess water available for further
development of any kind not that all people in Central Florida will have to shift to bottled water.
“These events are foreseen: the Great Tribulation, the Campaign of Armageddon, the Second Coming of the Messiah with the restoration of
peace to the world and His 1,000 year reign, the imprisonment of Satan (portrayed as a dragon) until he is 'loosed' for the final rebellion, God's
final judgment over Satan, the Great White throne judgment, and the ushering in of the New Heavens and New Earth. Alternatively, according to the
Preterist theory, the events of the latter part of the Apocalypse of John are interpreted as being fulfilled by events in the 1st century.”
Another group into prophesying is the Seventh Day Adventist denomination which grew out of the 1840s Second Great Awakening movement. it originated
with William Miller. He prophesied that Jesus Christ would return to Earth on October 22, 1844. Seventh-day Adventist Church teachings include such
fundamentalist staples as the Trinity and the infallibility of Scripture. In the United States The Adventist operate the largest Protestant
educational system and is second in numbers of students only to the Roman Catholic Church system.
Q. Are you “going” to Heaven?
See Revelation 7. One of the five angels John saw had the seal of God (v. 2). The sealed number was 144,000 (v
4): twelve thousand out of each of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel (v. 4-8). [Ten of which are LOST. But see the Book of Mormon.] Is
"tribes of the children of Israel" used literally or figuratively? We ask this in view of the nature of the book of Revelation. If taken literally,
then only 144,000 taken from the actual twelve tribes can be saved in heaven . . . “ Sorry about that.
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