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Jane Fonda - American traitor...She should be shot!

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posted on Mar, 22 2004 @ 10:35 PM
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ok, I knew of some of the things she had done during nam, but this is truely sick....

REMEMBER JANE



KEEP THIS MOVING; ACROSS AMERICA HONORING A TRAITOR This is for all the kids born in the 70's that do not remember this, and didn't have to bear the burden, that our fathers, mothers, and older brothers and sisters had to bear. Jane Fonda is being honored as one of the "100 Women of the Century." Unfortunately, many have forgotten and still countless others have never known how Ms. Fonda betrayed not only the idea of our country but specific men who served and sacrificed during Vietnam.

The first part of this is from an F-4E pilot. The pilot's name is Jerry Driscoll, a River Rat. In 1968, the former Commandant of the USAF Survival School was a POW in Ho Lo Prison-the "Hanoi Hilton." Dragged from a stinking cesspit of a cell, cleaned, fed, and dressed in clean PJ's, he was ordered to describe for a visiting American "Peace Activist" the "lenient and humane treatment" he'd received. He spat at Ms. Fonda, was clubbed, and dragged away.

During the subsequent beating, he fell forward upon the camp Commandant's feet, which sent that officer berserk. In '78, the AF Col. still suffered from double vision (which permanently ended his flying days) from the Vietnamese Col.'s frenzied application of a wooden baton. >From 1963-65, Col. Larry Carrigan was in the 47FW/DO (F-4E's). He spent 6 years in the "Hilton"- the first three of which he was "missing in action". His wife lived on faith that he was still alive. His group, too, got the cleaned, fed, clothed routine in preparation for a "peace delegation" visit.

They, however, had time and devised a plan to get word to the world that they still survived. Each man secreted a tiny piece of paper, with his SSN on it, in the palm of his hand. When paraded before Ms. Fonda and a cameraman, she walked the line, shaking each man's hand and asking little encouraging snippets like: "Aren't you sorry you bombed babies?" and "Are you grateful for the humane treatment from your benevolent captors?" Believing this HAD to be an act, they each palmed her their sliver of paper.

She took them all without missing a beat. At the end of the line and once the camera stopped rolling, to the shocked disbelief of the POWs, she turned to the officer in charge and handed him the little pile of papers. Three men died from the subsequent beatings. Col. Carrigan was almost number four but he survived, which is the only reason we know about her actions that day.

I was a civilian economic development advisor in Vietnam, and was captured by the North Vietnamese communists in South Vietnam in 1968, and held for over 5 years. I spent 27 months in solitary confinement, one year in a cage in Cambodia, and one year in a "black box" in Hanoi. My North Vietnamese captors deliberately poisoned and murdered a female missionary, a nurse in a leprosarium in Ban me Thuot, South Vietnam, whom I buried in the jungle near the Cambodian border.

At one time, I was weighing approximately 90 lbs. (My normal weight is 170 lbs.) We were Jane Fonda's "war criminals."

When Jane Fonda was in Hanoi, I was asked by the camp communist political officer if I would be willing to meet with Jane Fonda. I said yes, for I would like to tell her about the real treatment we POWs received different from the treatment purported by the North Vietnamese, and parroted by Jane Fonda, as "humane and lenient." Because of this, I spent three days on a rocky floor on my knees with outstretched arms with a large amount of steel placed on my hands, and beaten with a bamboo cane till my arms dipped.

I had the opportunity to meet with Jane Fonda for a couple of hours after I was released. I asked her if she would be willing to debate me on TV. She did not answer me.

This does not exemplify someone who should be honored as part of "100 Years of Great Women." Lest we forget..."100 years of great women" should never include a traitor whose hands are covered with the blood of so many patriots. There are few things I have strong visceral reactions to, but Hanoi Jane's participation in blatant treason, is one of them.

Please take the time to forward to as many people as you possibly can. It will eventually end up on her computer and she needs to know that we will never forget.

- I recieved this from my father in an E-mail, so I don't know who the author is - but if one word of it is true, she should be tried as a traitor and shot.




posted on Mar, 22 2004 @ 10:57 PM
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I'm not even American and I agree, this is very shocking indeed!


EBR

posted on Mar, 22 2004 @ 11:01 PM
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Girls -- it took about 10 seconds to google that and get about 700 hits -- here's Snopes take on it

www.snopes.com...

When you hear hoofbeats don't first start looking for Zebras

[Edited on 22-3-2004 by EBR]



posted on Mar, 22 2004 @ 11:02 PM
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First of all, you need to research what you post a little more than you obviously do.

This is a bull# email by some conservative hack who only wants to bolster hate for Fonda (who is a twit).



posted on Mar, 22 2004 @ 11:09 PM
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Snopes says it's true, now that is disturbing. # Fonda what a commie biatch.

I still don't wish death upon her though, she'll get hers when the karma chamelion comes 'round.



posted on Mar, 22 2004 @ 11:10 PM
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Oh... I see. Well then I should say: "I'd be very shocked if that was true.
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posted on Mar, 22 2004 @ 11:15 PM
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First of all, you need to research what you post a little more than you obviously do.

No - you need to do a little more research - it is fact that she was a NVA supporter. These storys only bring to light the extent of it. Because of her, 3 POWs died, after hoping she would send a message for them. She commited treason and should be shot!

[Edited on 22-3-2004 by American Mad Man]



posted on Mar, 22 2004 @ 11:55 PM
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Since you all love Snopes so much, here is a quote from there.

"On the one hand, Jane Fonda provided no tangible military assistance to the North Vietnamese: she divulged no military secrets, she gave them no money or material, and she did not interfere with the operations of the American forces. Her actions, offensive as they were to many, were primarily of propaganda value only. On the other hand, Iva Ikuko Toguri (also known as "Tokyo Rose") was convicted of treason for making propaganda broadcasts on behalf of the Japanese during World War II (although she claimed her betrayal was forced and was eventually pardoned many years later by President Gerald Ford), and Fonda's efforts could fall under the definition of "giving aid and comfort to the enemy." It is also undeniable that some American soldiers came to harm as a direct result of Fonda's actions, an outcome she should reasonably have anticipated.

"The most serious accusations in the piece quoted above -- that Fonda turned over slips of paper furtively given her by American POWS to the North Vietnamese and that several POWs were beaten to death as a result -- are proveably untrue. Those named in the inflammatory e-mail categorically deny the events they supposedly were part of.

"It's a figment of somebody's imagination," says Ret. Col. Larry Carrigan, one of the servicemen mentioned in the 'slips of paper' incident. Carrigan was shot down over North Vietnam in 1967 and did spend time in a POW camp. He has no idea why the story was attributed to him. "I never met Jane Fonda."

"The tale about a defiant serviceman who spit at Jane Fonda and is severely beaten as a result is often attributed to Air Force pilot Jerry Driscoll. He has repeatedly stated on the record that it did not originate with him.

"The story about a POW forced to kneel on rocky ground while holding a piece of steel rebar in his outstretched arms is true, though. That account comes from Michael Benge, a civilian advisor captured by the Viet Cong in 1968 and held as a POW for 5 years. His original statement, titled "Shame on Jane," was published in April by the Advocacy and Intelligence Network for POWs and MIAs.

"The unknown author of the "Hanoi Jane" e-mail appears to have picked up Benge's story on-line and combined it with fabricated tales to create the forwarded text. Some versions now circulate with Benge's name listed; others quote his statement anonymously.

"In fact, Fonda carried home letters from many American POWs to their families upon her return from North Vietnam, and rumors that a POW was beaten to death when he refused to meet with her were nothing more than rumors."


Any questions? She is a dumb ass to be sure, but there is nothing to put her in jail over that I have found.



posted on Mar, 22 2004 @ 11:56 PM
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if fonda did do that which i don't know casue i'm lazy and i don't want to research it she should get the maximum penalty for tresason which i believe is death...and this is coming from someone that had i been alive wouldn't have supported the war in vietnam adn now adays respects some of the ideas of communism not all but some ...still back to the pint jane should be shot if its true



posted on Mar, 23 2004 @ 12:09 AM
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posted on Mar, 23 2004 @ 01:08 AM
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Any questions? She is a dumb ass to be sure, but there is nothing to put her in jail over that I have found.


yes - how can say that she should not be in jail after reading this:



Fonda's efforts could fall under the definition of "giving aid and comfort to the enemy." It is also undeniable that some American soldiers came to harm as a direct result of Fonda's actions, an outcome she should reasonably have anticipated.


She clearly at the very least gave comfort to the enemy - hell, there are pictures of her with NVA helmets and her sitting on artillery! and again it says "It is also UNDENIABLE that some American soldiers came to harm as a direct result of Fonda's actions, an outcome she should reasonably have anticipated."

If she is bringing ANY HARM to our soldiers she should die - end of story. But instead she is given the title of 100 greatest women of the century. What a load of crap.



posted on Mar, 23 2004 @ 01:23 AM
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American Mad Man, lots of stories about what Fonda did or did not do but I really would appreciate links on what you have posted!



posted on Mar, 23 2004 @ 01:28 AM
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as i said, I recieved this story in an Email as was described by krazyjethro and EBR - they gave links, so use them



posted on Mar, 23 2004 @ 01:52 AM
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Not saying that Fonda was an angel as that is definitely not the truth and she surely did some propanganda in favor of the communists, but let the truth be the truth and get it all straight.

urbanlegends.about.com...



posted on Mar, 23 2004 @ 02:15 AM
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I heard this e-mail a week ago.

Indeed, if it is true then she should be shot. However, there are tragically few facts to back this up.



posted on Mar, 23 2004 @ 02:17 AM
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I heard this e-mail a week ago.

Indeed, if it is true then she should be shot. However, there are tragically few facts to back this up.



posted on Mar, 23 2004 @ 02:39 AM
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here is my problem - assume this story is 100% false. She still openly sided with the enemy. She took many trips to the north and posed in pics with their men. For this alone she is a traitor and should be in prison



posted on Mar, 23 2004 @ 09:47 AM
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Actors do not live in reality the same as you and me.

See here.

Sean Penn

I'd also refer you to this quote here:

"Jane Fonda provided no tangible military assistance to the North Vietnamese: she divulged no military secrets, she gave them no money or material, and she did not interfere with the operations of the American forces. Her actions, offensive as they were to many, were primarily of propaganda value only"

and this

"In fact, Fonda carried home letters from many American POWs to their families upon her return from North Vietnam, and rumors that a POW was beaten to death when he refused to meet with her were nothing more than rumors"



posted on Mar, 23 2004 @ 10:25 AM
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....since you're of more recent GOP vintage than me ( I was 19 the last time I was a Republican).....why are the current "crop" of young Republicans so hell bent on mud raking that is older than, well, dirt?
Is that like the political equivalent of Macaroni art in the Right Wing slander classes?
I know it pains you, so I wanted to get your insights as well.



posted on Mar, 23 2004 @ 11:00 AM
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Whatever happened to the old American ideal of "I may disagree with what you have to say, but I shall defend, to the death, your right to say it."?



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