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Anthrax Suspect Claimed He Knew Who Killer Was, E-mail Reveals--MUST READ!!!!!

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posted on Sep, 25 2008 @ 07:42 AM
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Anthrax Suspect Claimed He Knew Who Killer Was, E-mail Reveals--MUST READ!!!!!


www.foxnews.com

WASHINGTON — Bruce Ivins, the Army scientist accused of carrying out the 2001 anthrax attacks, e-mailed himself last year saying he knew who the killer was, according to court documents unsealed Wednesday.
"Yes! Yes! Yes!!!!!!! I finally know who mailed the anthrax letters in the fall of 2001. I've pieced it together!" Ivins wrote in the e-mail dated Sept. 7, 2007, according to an FBI affidavit.

"I'm not looking forward to everybody getting dragged through the mud, but at least it will all be over," Ivins allegedly wrote. "Finally! I should have it TOTALLY nailed down within the month. I should have been a private eye!!!!"
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posted on Sep, 25 2008 @ 07:42 AM
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Wow I have suspected the government or the mossad offed him to cover up the fact that they did this and here is the proof right here. This guy found out who sent all the anthrax letters and then mysteriously kills himself. People I have news for you our government or the mossad sent these letters. It was not this guy. He did not commit suicide either. He was killed. This is really scary. Id love to know which branch of our intelligence or if it was the mossad who did him in.

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[edit on 25-9-2008 by mybigunit]



posted on Sep, 25 2008 @ 09:08 AM
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Bastards!

So, why wernt the emails checked? and deleted though?



posted on Sep, 25 2008 @ 09:12 AM
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Originally posted by monkeybus
Bastards!

So, why weren't the emails checked? and deleted though?


They were checked and the FBI sat on them. They didn't release them until now. The fact is this guys lawyer said this guy did not do it and the FBI had no evidence he did. He was 100% confident he would of won in trial. I really believe the mossad offed him.



posted on Sep, 25 2008 @ 09:26 AM
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Doesn't the fact that he emailed this to himself bring his sanity into question just a bit? I mean, I've emailed information or mental notes to myself from one account to another one for later use, but never have I written myself an exuberant letter like this.



posted on Sep, 25 2008 @ 09:48 AM
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Originally posted by burdman30ott6
Doesn't the fact that he emailed this to himself bring his sanity into question just a bit? I mean, I've emailed information or mental notes to myself from one account to another one for later use, but never have I written myself an exuberant letter like this.



You should try it sometime. Writing an exuberant letter to yourself. I am not going to be so quick to write him off because he wrote himself an email. There should be a record of it somewhere.



posted on Sep, 25 2008 @ 09:53 AM
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No, the fact that he emailed himself was to establish a record of facts, and showed that he didn't trust anyone with the specifics. Thats how much big brother operates even over their heads. I always believed he was conveniently framed and murdered. Anytime that happens, be suspicious and start guessing the one done in probably knew too much.



posted on Sep, 25 2008 @ 09:55 AM
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The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.

I could see where he might want some time stamp of proof that he had such information before his arrest, which he seems to have known was coming. And he could have obtained the information at a time when he was away from his regular computer, so he wanted this on file for later use.

Just a thought.




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posted on Sep, 25 2008 @ 10:06 AM
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reply to post by mystiq
 


The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.


he was under investigation for quite some time and he was well aware of the fact that he was a suspect, thus he probably had consulted an attorney already.

wouldn't he have been better served sending the email to himself AND his attorney, his friends, family, the newspapers and anyone else who'd listen?



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posted on Sep, 25 2008 @ 10:07 AM
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Originally posted by NGC2736
I could see where he might want some time stamp of proof that he had such information before his arrest, which he seems to have known was coming. And he could have obtained the information at a time when he was away from his regular computer, so he wanted this on file for later use.

Just a thought.




Exactly... Look at it like this. It's very similar to the effect of snail-mailing yourself a letter if you 'discover' something or 'create' something and cannot afford a patent. - Once you've "made" the discovery you send a letter to yourself at least a week (poss' even a month?) before sharing it w/ anyone.

Your letter will come back to you, time/datestamped officially by (The Gov't/Federal office?) Whatever is used in your respective country.

I guess he could have done that but well, we all know how private your mail is nowadays (or ever was?) There's always the chance someone could intercept it and well yes, we all know our emails could be secretly read but it hits his email account almost instantaniously.

The one thing that bothers me is, did he, in this or possibly a follow up email, name the true culprit(s)? And if so, where did that email go?

Edited to add: mystiq In this day and age when you find info like this and you're poss' the prime suspect... You don't know who to turn to, or trust until it's possibly too late.

Maybe his attorny/family should begin checking their junkmail in email accounts they have and he knew about but they poss' don't check "all too much" anymore?

[edit on 25-9-2008 by A55A551N]



posted on Sep, 25 2008 @ 10:19 AM
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I admit I've never been in that situation, but it seems to me you would want to include in a note like that some piece of the information you have, wouldn't you?

In books and films they always stash a letter explaining the whole thing in a safety deposit box, and send their attorneys a letter "to be opened on my death". I'm not expecting that, necessarily, but something that suggests he had actually done some sleuthing might be reasonable.

Somehow, sending yourself an email that just says "I know who did it!" sounds more like a desperate attempt to have something to point to so you can claim you're being set up if you get busted.



posted on Sep, 25 2008 @ 10:40 AM
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An interesting find to be sure, but I have to wonder why not name the person(s) who were responsible for the attacks? It just seems that if you were emailing yourself you would say "I finally know that personX is responsible and here's why " Maybe not in those exact words but something along those lines. IMHO



posted on Sep, 25 2008 @ 10:47 AM
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Maybe he needed a bit more substancial proof?

The email ends with:


Finally! I should have it TOTALLY nailed down within the month.


So maybe he needed a little more time?



posted on Sep, 25 2008 @ 10:48 AM
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Originally posted by neo4116
An interesting find to be sure, but I have to wonder why not name the person(s) who were responsible for the attacks? It just seems that if you were emailing yourself you would say "I finally know that personX is responsible and here's why " Maybe not in those exact words but something along those lines. IMHO


Right and this is what is annoying about it. Why not just blurb it out. Id like to see the full email myself. I know the media tends to leave things out or just tell what they want to tell. He says




"I'm not looking forward to everybody getting dragged through the mud, but at least it will all be over,"


I mean lets be real here there has to be a connection here between this and 9/11. All of this happened to strike fear in the hearts of the Americans. Basically if this guy did it why so soon after 9/11? Why do it after 9/11? I feel this guy didnt do it and the same people who plotted 9/11 are the same people who plotted the anthrax attacks. This is just my opinion though.



posted on Sep, 25 2008 @ 10:53 AM
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If he was so sure as to who did it... why not give a little info in the email?

I think, while being under investigation (to which he had knowledge of), he sent himself the email in hopes that it would 'somehow' take some heat off of himself.

If so, pathetic attempt in my mind.

EDIT to add...

Sorry about that, seems I took too long to hit the SEND button and you guys already brought up my points.\


PS. good questions


[edit on 25-9-2008 by Grailkeeper]



posted on Sep, 25 2008 @ 10:56 AM
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Interesting. We'll need some names though, for this to be worth anything.

I wonder why he says he doesn't want to drag anybody through the mud, when he himself was waist deep in the mud when he shouldn't have been(if he had nothing to do with it).



posted on Sep, 25 2008 @ 11:12 AM
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Originally posted by americandingbat
I admit I've never been in that situation, but it seems to me you would want to include in a note like that some piece of the information you have, wouldn't you?

In books and films they always stash a letter explaining the whole thing in a safety deposit box, and send their attorneys a letter "to be opened on my death". I'm not expecting that, necessarily, but something that suggests he had actually done some sleuthing might be reasonable.

Somehow, sending yourself an email that just says "I know who did it!" sounds more like a desperate attempt to have something to point to so you can claim you're being set up if you get busted.


Depends on who has access to the email.

My co-workers have access to my email because they may need info from it i'm not mentioning were i work but i send myself emails so they can see it or i have them send me an email through my email and then I remotely log in from another location so I can retrieve it.

Now I would never send myself an email like that unless it was meant to be seen by another person directly involved with it, or suddenly I became inflicted with multiple personalities lol...

just saying it's done a lot in certain area's of the govt because your only allowed to give so many people e-mail adresses because each one costs around 100-1000 dollars a year to have depending on who the email is contracted out to.

Hence a reason for sending an email to your self in a govt related facility. But it would be stupid for someone to send themselves an email like this if it was an inside job unless it was received via a remote log-on by someone else and if this was the case the someone else was either setting him up and in on it or they are dead too now and we just don't know it.



posted on Sep, 25 2008 @ 12:26 PM
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What if he didn't really know who was behind it but had an idea who it was and maybe he knew they were watching his email. So he emails himself
saying he knows who it is and is close to revieling the culprit. I know, it sounds like a cheesy P.I. dime novel but who knows?



posted on Sep, 25 2008 @ 12:42 PM
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Did you know that in Camden New Jersey there is a facility that houses many exotic diseases and is under close federal protection? Most of the websites about this building stay away from talk of such exotic diseses but iam pretty sure that they are studying them there, If not now then they did at one point.



posted on Sep, 26 2008 @ 12:10 AM
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Maybe he has the email account set up on his name to protect the identity of the person he intended to use the email account?

Much like a parent setting up an email account for their child, not with the child's information, but with their own.

I can see how his informant, or whoever he wrote to, would want to keep anonymity should the scientist be killed.

What a relief to the the government though. Anytime someone is close to providing evidence that holds the government accountable, they "coincidentally" hang themselves shortly before the evidence is made public.



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