McCain Refuses To Attend Debate

Last time I checked the thread title didn't have anything to do with Fannie or Freddie. Please stay on topic.

Who came up with those names anyway?

Peace

Isn't it interesting how you think the people running McCain's campaign are Freddie Mac Employess and now McCain wants to give them 700billion dollars doesn't matter? How the Democrats, like Obama, want accountability, oversight, so forth while Republicans, like McCain, just want to give 700billion dollars to the people who own them.

It wouldn't be so bad if McCain had one person running his campaign that was a lobbyist. But to have all of them being bought and owned by corporations, like Freddie Mac... Makes you wonder who will be in the White House. McCain or Lobbyists.

reply to post by Dr Love


It was brought up because the reason McCain refuses to debate Obama is because Congress won't give his owners 700billion dollars.

Also, the names came up from their Wall Street Initials. Like how say, MIS for Micro International Systems, they are called Misses, and so forth.

Also, McCain, as his campaign put it, doesn't speak for his campaign. I love that, his handlers, Freddie Mac Lobbyists, say he doesn't speak for his campaign on economics, they do. And so they tell him to give their bosses 700billion dollars...

[edit on 25-9-2008 by GordonJQ]

McCains value in going back to DC is NOT his one vote. He was asked to come back to help lobby and persuade other senators who were on the fence. His wealth of EXPERIENCE in the senate made his return invaluable to the republican leadership. Leadership and experience that is lacking in the other candidate.

Originally posted by jsobecky
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What rubbish. He went to DC to help in the current fiscal crisis. He asked that the debate be postponed.

Yes, it is rubbish. For him. Follow his tracks....1) slipping in polls, so make a big deal out of truncating the convention for a hurricane; 2) slipping polls, pull a cute Alaskan rabbit out of his hat; 3) slipping in polls, act like a superhero to help save the day in DC.

We don't need him in DC, and he knows that. The nation needs to hear these two guys go head to head in a debate, preferably one changed to deal primarily with the financial crisis and beyond.

Neither of these two guys have shown any potential plan that actually would help; but at least Obama hasn't acted out in a knee-jerk reaction.

I can't understand anyone who would not question McCain's crisis-management abilities.

Never mind. Its not reasonable to post to a thread like this.

[edit on 9/25/2008 by Blaine91555]

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Stop hiding under the cover of "it's his JOB to be a Senator."

A quick 2 hour or less plane flight and he's in DC, escorted to Capitol Hill all under 4 hours to cast his vote, and then he's gone.

Him trying to suspend the debate is a political move. Pure and simple. He doesn't need to be in DC to "help," which BTW they [Congress] have already negotiated a plan.

Now it's time to vote? Stop hiding McCaint. Cast your vote and then head to Mississippi or lose the election.

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McCain is going to be forced to attend the debate if this is resolved today or tomorrow morning. The old man is scared.

He wants the debate postponed if a deal isn't reached by tonight or tomorrow afternoon.

It's not like he said he wouldn't be at the debate even if a deal was reached in time.

It seems like some are reading too much into this whole issue and others are seeing what they want to.

anyone see Letterman last night?

Seeing as McCain canceled his appearance to 'race' to Washington and solve all of our problems, Dave had Kieth Olberman on in his place.

Think what you will of Olberman, he made an interesting point about the debate.

First, all 4 debates were scheduled to take place in the span of 19 days. Because of this tight schedule, he indicated that we're more likely to see one of the debates canceled rather than rescheduled. Now lets see, who would benefit from a cancellation? Seems to me, that it's a little out of line to cancel a presidential debate, this leaves the VP debate as the sole candidate for cancellation, which obviously benefits McCain, as Palin isn't likely to fair too well against Biden.

I tend to agree, and think that McCain is simply using current events to his advantage as much as possible. He's losing ground again as the Palin Effect begins to wear off, and the debates are likely to be the nail in the coffin so to speak.

Edit to add...

Oh, and you don't just suspend your campaign, you send your VP candidate out to continue the campaign in your absence. In my opinion, McCain has simply turned his nose up at the people of this country, as well as the democratic process.

There is only one justifiable reason to suspend a campaign, and that is suspension of the election. However, there is absolutely NO justifiable reason to suspend the election.

[edit on 9/25/2008 by Unit541]

Originally posted by Unit541
anyone see Letterman last night?

www.abovetopsecret.com...

I tend to agree, and think that McCain is simply using current events to his advantage as much as possible.

This is what really gets me about this. Using a "crisis" to one's advantage really kind of makes me ill. He is certainly not putting any distance between him and his party mates like Bush and Guiliani, who are experts at that ploy.

Seems like a lot of people here have there facts backwards 1st the democrats are all ready on board with the bail out. It the republicans that are trying to stall in congress its flat out against republican values to give away money they believe the market should be left alone. However in this instance I don't think that's possible ill tell you right now the white house contacted McCain and asked for his help to persuade the republican hold outs. Obama was only invited as a formality he was not really needed since the democrats are already behind the plan and they control congress.
By the way funny how financial problems gets blamed on the president he has no control over oversight on businesses only congress does. So bush couldn't have done anything even if he knew this was coming and quite frankly he's such an idiot that im glad he has no control. Congress was asleep at the switch on this one and it falls squarely on there shoulders.

The value of McCain being in Washington is not only his vote. He can also spend his time there discussing and learning the details of the "plan", whatever it turns out to be.

Time well spent, since he will be stuck with the consequences of it when he becomes president.

Obama? Well, he'll just read about it on the teleprompter.

no wonder why he refuses to debate. obama has a big bat to throw at his face:

McCain's plan to deregulate health care.



sorry if it was already posted.

I've read some interesting points bandied about by both sides but I agree with the MOD that Freddie/Fannie execs aren't the issue here.

I would like to throw in my own brand new designed pennies worth with three very simple points.

1) Congressmen do not need to be "present" to cast a vote. It is quite common procedure to have their vote cast by a surrogate.

2) The situation with the economy has been like a car rolling down a hill and now everyone all of a sudden is screaming "Hit the brakes". This economy is so huge that I sincerely doubt that anything dire is going to happen overnight. Just the fact that the issue is being brought up has been enough to put a least a little pressure on the "brakes".

3) The most important issue facing this country, right now, is the election of our new president. Who will lead this country out of this mess is more important than taking a "timeout" to deal with an issue that is already being addressed by those members who are in charge of these things, finance committees, etc.

Oh, and I agree that this is just a ploy to get the VP debate canceled.

Way to mis-represent the story.

Here's what McCain actually said - he's not going to do the debate unless a compromise can be reached on the $700 billion bailout deal.

What the OP and others want you to believe is McCain wants $700b in taxpayer money or else no debate. Yeah well a lot of Democrats including Obama also want the passing of the bailout deal.

The difference is that McCain knows an "all hands on deck" situation when he sees it and has stopped his campaign to go to Washington, roll up his sleeves and get to work to try and get a compromise between parties BEFORE he gets back to his own ambitions.

If your going to report a story, please don't spin it one way.

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic

Originally posted by Unit541
anyone see Letterman last night?

www.abovetopsecret.com...

I tend to agree, and think that McCain is simply using current events to his advantage as much as possible.

This is what really gets me about this. Using a "crisis" to one's advantage really kind of makes me ill. He is certainly not putting any distance between him and his party mates like Bush and Guiliani, who are experts at that ploy.

I'm disappointed at you, BH. You are assuming McCain is using this crisis to his own advantage when you have no proof. Ever stop to think that his intentions are sincere?

If Obama had been the one to suggest it, I daresay you would have been singing a much different tune. We all know it.

Originally posted by dragonridr

Seems like a lot of people here have there facts backwards 1st the democrats are all ready on board with the bail out. It the republicans that are trying to stall in congress its flat out against republican values to give away money they believe the market should be left alone. However in this instance I don't think that's possible ill tell you right now the white house contacted McCain and asked for his help to persuade the republican hold outs. Obama was only invited as a formality he was not really needed since the democrats are already behind the plan and they control congress.
By the way funny how financial problems gets blamed on the president he has no control over oversight on businesses only congress does. So bush couldn't have done anything even if he knew this was coming and quite frankly he's such an idiot that im glad he has no control. Congress was asleep at the switch on this one and it falls squarely on there shoulders.

And who put the bill in Clinton's lap in 2000?

The 106th Congress, a Republican Congress

Originally posted by sos37

I'm disappointed at you, BH. You are assuming McCain is using this crisis to his own advantage when you have no proof. Ever stop to think that his intentions are sincere?

If Obama had been the one to suggest it, I daresay you would have been singing a much different tune. We all know it.

Uh, Obama did suggest it. Obama called McCain to ask if he'd like to issue a joint statement about the crisis and work in a bipartisan manner, then McCain got back to him and said he'd like to postpone the debate on Friday and then came out before Obama trying to take credit for the bipartisanship and the joint statement which he agreed to but didn't follow through on and went behind Obama's back.

Or, did you only listen to McCain's speech and not Obama's where he explained how it all went down?

Well they have reached a deal now so let's see if McCain is all happy and ready to debate.I still don't see why Palin has to stop campaigning because McCain wants to go to Washington. She's not a Senator.