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Round 3: constantwonder v Skyfloating: How Rich Does A President Have To Be?

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posted on Sep, 24 2008 @ 10:11 PM
The topic for this debate is ”A Multi Millionaire Is Not The Best Candidate For The Office Of President of the United States of America."

constantwonder will be arguing the pro position and will open the debate.
Skyfloating will argue the con position.

Each debater will have one opening statement each. This will be followed by 3 alternating replies each. There will then be one closing statement each and no rebuttal.

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Any character count in excess of 10,000 will be deleted prior to the judging process.

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posted on Sep, 25 2008 @ 04:14 PM
i have to use my extension i have inlaws here

posted on Sep, 27 2008 @ 06:05 AM
As 4 days have passed and thereby also the 24-hour extension, I will now proceed with my opening post

Prosperity, Security, Happiness and Peace for ALL

Does that sound like a goal we all share? Can we all agree that this should be the main focus of a President?

If the answer is “yes” then having a multimillionaire as President is ideal. Someone who hasn’t achieved Prosperity for himself is unlikely to help an entire society achieve it. Someone who has achieved prosperity for him- or herself is therefore the ONLY person who should lead a country.

It is sadly and painfully obvious that most politicians are not entirely successful themselves before they get into office, which is why we cant expect them to support an entire nation in being successful. Rather than being judged by their own prosperity, a politician gets into office by following a path of studying politics in college, then joining a party, then looking good in front of the camera and doing a lot of talking.

A multimillionaire must be competent in generating revenue, remaining upright and confident in the face of difficult situations, criticism, enemy attacks. He must have management-skills, be able to recognize opportunities and turn visions into reality, be able to maintain focus on his goals persistently and be willing to work every day. If he didn’t have those qualities it is unlikely he would become a multimillionaire. All these qualities are needed more than ever in the circus we call politics.

We no longer need clowns who’s main area of competence lies in partisan polarization, opponent-bashing, creating fears and restraints and mis-managing the economy to the disastrous proportions it is currently reaching. FYI:

Economic crisis of 2008

Bailout of the U.S. Financial System

The current crisis serves as an example of what happens when our politicians are not at the same time money-experts and good managers. And, rest assured, a money-expert is not some analyst who himself doesn’t own a cent. A money-expert is someone who has money himself.

We need proven examples of success and competence to lead the country.

Lets look at the two current Presidential Candidates in this context. None of them come from a Multimillionaire Background:

As a child McCain was a light-weight-boxer. Then he spent most of his youth in the navy. Then he was a prisoner of war. Then he returned from the Navy and went into politics. Then he lost to George Bush for the presidential bid in 2000. Now he´s a candidate.

Obama lost both of his father in a car accident and his mother died of cancer while he was still young. Obama has admitted to abusing coc aine and alcohol in his youth. He went to college. Then he went on to work as a community organizer for a church in Chicago. Then he went into politics.

There is nothing wrong with not having a perfect track record, but this shows that going into politics does not require having financial success to show.

While we often blame Presidents of being “elitist”, we, as a society, have never really allowed extremely successful people to lead us. Instead we envy success and would rather bring them down to our level than to let them lead us. This is too bad, because having proven successes lead us would indeed change everything for the better.

Look at the poor negotiation skills our politicians display when going to foreign “enemy” countries. Look at the poor economic skills they display as we slide into debt more and more. This is because our leaders do not have too much hands-on-experience at success but only theoretical education in college.

Proper leadership can come from those who know their money-stuff. Think of the multimillionaire Ross Perot. Think of the financially competent candidates such as Ron Paul:


In short: We certainly need someone in office who understands money, finances, business and economy.

I look forward to this debate and thank MemoryShock for setting it up. Good luck to my opponent constantwonder.

posted on Sep, 27 2008 @ 09:54 AM
I apologize greatly my friends i have had a death in the family and will be away for about 1 week and a half i must most regretably withdraw... again i apologize and sky when i return will you grant me a challange match please?

posted on Sep, 27 2008 @ 09:56 AM

Originally posted by constantwonder
I apologize greatly my friends i have had a death in the family and will be away for about 1 week and a half i must most regretably withdraw... again i apologize and sky when i return will you grant me a challange match please?

Challenge Match granted. Best wishes to your family.

posted on Sep, 27 2008 @ 01:58 PM
Condolences, constantwonder.

Skyfloating will advance to Round Four.

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