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Did Ron Paul let down this country?

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posted on Sep, 24 2008 @ 11:28 PM
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posted on Sep, 24 2008 @ 11:35 PM
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The GOP is dead. It has been taken by Fascists, corporate shills who use the lure of authoritarianism to attract the "God fearing" among us. True conservatism is buried and remains to be exhumed by another generation.

Whatever else you do, write in Ron Paul.



posted on Sep, 25 2008 @ 12:04 AM
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Originally posted by princeofpeace
Paul is a joke and he is trying to capitalize on 911 and terror to get folks to buy into all sorts of dire warnings and schemes. Yeah Paul.....we really believe you.


I sorry you have been so missinformed about Ron Paul. You say he is fearmongering tho?

Ron isn't trying to rush to Congress, the American People, or the President into passing this bill by instilling FEAR of immanent collapse! - He is however warning of rough times and a worse collapse if they continue to prop up inflation and print more fiat money. Just like he predicted this one, and was right

He believes that the American people are strong enough they can make it through this!!! OMG!!! Ron Paul has more faith in us then our own President!!

Ron isn't going around scaring everyone about terrorist and rouge nuclear countries ready to kill Americans simply because we are free. - He is however warning us that about Blowback from meddling in the affairs of other countries, surrounding them with weapons, impossing sanctions, and invading other countries. I think its safe to say he has been right about that to. I'm sorry, where are the WMD's again? How was Iraq involved in 9/11 again? Who funded Ben Ladin AND Hussein when they were fighting the Russians?? Ohh thats right we were!! Hmm..I don't think Ron pushed for any of that either...

Wow, your guys don't really stand up against my guy..but thanks for playing anyways..its always fun



posted on Sep, 25 2008 @ 12:31 AM
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Originally posted by princeofpeace
I hate one liners. So i will make this several. Ron Paul is a scaremongering idiot to the point of being a terrorist. Two VERY good reasons why he isnt running: McCain and Obama.

Paul is a joke and he is trying to capitalize on 911 and terror to get folks to buy into all sorts of dire warnings and schemes. Yeah Paul.....we really believe you.


what the eff are you talking about? you sound like a narc. the price of peace would be having a non puppet in charge of our country. too bad our choices for office dont easily afford us that option.



posted on Sep, 25 2008 @ 12:31 AM
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Originally posted by ...and justice for some
he chose not to because he isn't an independent he's a republican. Even though this country needs a strong third party he should not have to give up his own. He's what a republican was supposed to be.... a supporter and a believer in the republic... he's not one in the same sense that mccain is.

and do you really think that, the moneys just going to end up in his pocket?


Peace

Justice

It means Ron Paul is a republican first and an american second. A party cannot be more important than the country. The country has far more value than a party, it doesn't matter whether it's a conservative party or what. America is always far bigger than conservatism, or libertarianism or whatever.

Looks to me he is a perfect distraction. If your friends are counting on you to bring changes to your country, running as an independent is hardly a sacrifice. So who is he trying to help here? His friends.... or perhaps his master.

[edit on Thu, 25 Sep 08 by Jazzyguy]



posted on Sep, 25 2008 @ 01:05 AM
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Ron Paul didn't let me down. I donated $2300 months before the first money bomb - which kind of sucked because I couldn't donate those days. I think it was probably about the best $2300 I've ever spent in my life. I got tons more than I ever expected.

I wish he would have run 3rd party. Badly. But I don't think he could because of a sore loser law in Texas. Where he would lose his congressional seat for something he knew he had a very small chance of winning - if any judging by the way the GOP treated him. As bad as I wanted him to run, I would rather have him as a congressman than not at all.

Ron Paul didn't let me down at all. He exposed corruption in the election process that woke a ton of people up. The only way for the corruption to be exposed is to make them do it.



posted on Sep, 25 2008 @ 01:22 AM
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Run as independent.. you're serious, right? Bahahaha

Ooook, little reality check here. We're in a two party system, like it or not. If you can't get into that, then you pretty much have no chance of being elected. All these other splinter groups, like th libertarians and constitutionalists, etc might have a snowballs chance in hell in local elections and so on, but when it comes to big time politics, all they do is serve to further fractionate the democrap vote. That's right. Most of these votes for independants come at teh cost of the dummycrats.

So really, while I only semi support the guy, I can say that maybe he's asmarter than you in gracefully bowing out and doing his work where he can, and not causing an even bigger train wreck than this election already will be.



posted on Sep, 25 2008 @ 04:07 AM
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If you will eat it, then it will be feed to you.

Just accepting the 2 party system is exactly why we have a 2 party system. Because people such as yourself will eat it. Because in reality, it's not even a 2 party system. It's a 1 party system giving the illusion of 2 parties.

Name 1 government agency that has been done away with. They all stay. The bills and government the democrats want - it's gets put in. The government the conservatives want, it stays in.

And then they use the things the 2 parties want to add as a reason to vote for them. Republicans get the overwhelming majority in government, and do they take on issues like healthcare or education? No. They keep them. Do they start following the constitution? No.

Quick exercise. Go to any one of those surveys that show political topics. When answering the questions, instead of answering your preferences, add the ones that each side thinks should be controlled. That is what you are voting for in this 2 party system. It's a complete authoritarian form of government, and that is exactly what people are seeing today.

You add the government the democrats want, with the government the republicans want, and you get a communist/fascist country. But they don't sell that view. They sell the view that they want to get rid of the other sides government. If that happened, then we would have a more libertarian form of government. But that is just an illusion, because all you have to do is look around at the kind of government we have today.



posted on Sep, 25 2008 @ 04:46 AM
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It may seem strange to you but outside the US Ron Paul is not known! Theres no media coverage at all, I heard of him a couple of years ago through the likes of Alex Jones and Jeff Rense. Is that the case over there? That most Americans don't know who he is.



posted on Sep, 25 2008 @ 05:04 AM
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Originally posted by princeofpeace
I hate one liners. So i will make this several. Ron Paul is a scaremongering idiot to the point of being a terrorist. Two VERY good reasons why he isnt running: McCain and Obama.

Paul is a joke and he is trying to capitalize on 911 and terror to get folks to buy into all sorts of dire warnings and schemes. Yeah Paul.....we really believe you.
You make me laugh princeofpeace, every time i see your replies to any post on ATS its a negative comment. It seems you are perpetually blinded by your media and corrupt Government.
Either that or your a Narc trying to put a spanner in the cogs of truth. Please wake up and smell the Marshall law for i would hope that some day soon i wont have to tell you i told you so!



posted on Sep, 25 2008 @ 08:49 AM
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Umm...it's "martial" law, not "Marshall".

I have a question. Why do people think that a campaign has to cost a lot? Why should it be only for the rich and already powerful to become president? Why can't you be elected for your ideas rather than your charisma, your mud-slinging abilities or your glitz? Why can't government be of the people, for the people and by the people?

You know, after America falls to the ground shortly and those of you left after the embers have cooled are sitting, wondering what to do next, you could consider having a government that concerns itself with being good to the people. One that makes them happier, smarter, stronger. Hopefully the world will follow suit.

You're falling now. Get ready for it. It's gonna hurt but this is your chance to remake what is rotten now. This time, don't become so complacent. Just don't model it after the last one. What a fiasco!



posted on Sep, 25 2008 @ 08:57 AM
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Originally posted by jtma508
We all had our chance. More people could have supported him. But it's apparent that the majority of people in this country either don't care or are clueless. The country voted Bush in. Not once but twice. 'nuff said? We get what we deserve.


What Universe do you live in? Gore won in 2000, but because of Florida and "not wanting to recount or redo the election," the Supreme Court appointed Bush.

Kerry would have won in 2004, but that Diebold ensured that Ohio "voted" for Bush. The exit polls were skewed off the charts from what the machines said happened - and that has never happened before. The margin of error in exit polls has always been quite small, yet in Ohio, a statistically impossible skew was seen.

Don't tell ME we "voted Bush in." We absolutely DID NOT. Ever.



posted on Sep, 25 2008 @ 09:01 AM
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ron paul let down no one

our society and our way of doing business let us down

at the time he was running for president everyone that had him on their tv shows tried to make him look like a ass.... but he absolutely reversed the role each and every time resulting in the interviewer looking like a complete ignorant waste of humanity

this is because the media controls the elections

without the media we wouldnt have coc aine mccain or or bama boy

we'd have patriots who campaigned locally and got down to the community level but im rambling now

we are the ones who let ron paul down

we allowed him to go on the view and be cut off
and we didnt harass the media venues

we didnt go down to the news stations and protest

we didnt call our congressman and fight

we didnt do what our patriotic constitutional duties tell us to do

we sat down

watched a bunch of *insert any derogatory word for what we call humans that we see on tv*

and called in and voted on some nobody whos going to go nowhere and who by the time the next election comes will be completly forgotten (Referring to reality tv, etc. not the pres. election)


i live in america
im proud of our countries legacy
im disgusted by the ignorance that surrounds me tho



our message is to deny ignorance

then we must campaign for ourselves and make this site a truly revolutionary site

we should make thread and posts with intelligence and answers rather then bickering

we should have 100 million people on this site daily learning the truth and denying ignorance

if we achieved that

the world would be saying "obama who?"/"mccain?? didnt he die in vietnam?"

we should be ignorant to those ppl as those 2 are ppl who have no right to be in office

more then half the politicians there dont deserve to be in office

yet we elect them

so whos letting who down?

i know damn well we're letting George Washington down

and with this legal system
damn Adams must be popping 100 xanax a day to stay calm with all this bull Shhh

[edit on 25-9-2008 by Dramey]

[edit on 25-9-2008 by Dramey]



posted on Sep, 25 2008 @ 09:29 AM
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Originally posted by CoffinFeeder
We're in a two party system, like it or not.


Ooooo. There's a promising mentality. Just accept things as they are... I shake my head sadly.

Actually, we are NOT in a two-party system. We are in a ONE-party system with two heads. A two-headed counterfeit coin, thrust into our hands by a corrupt media, the only purchase of which is NWO.

If we decide we DON'T like it, we can write in Ron Paul.


If you can't get into that, then you pretty much have no chance of being elected.


Not so. Paul entered the race as one of those two parties, but he was truly motivated by a deep caring for this country, and not sitting in any corporofascist pocket. The only thing that will get you elected, it seems, is being in that pocket. Then, Diebold is behind you all the way!


All these other splinter groups, like th libertarians and constitutionalists, etc might have a snowballs chance in hell in local elections and so on, but when it comes to big time politics, all they do is serve to further fractionate the democrap vote. That's right. Most of these votes for independants come at teh cost of the dummycrats.


Oh, look at those clever epithets. Actually, Ron Paul has a great number of supporters in his party. He does, after all, uphold the conservation of the founding documents, which was at one point the definition of "conservative."


So really, while I only semi support the guy, I can say that maybe he's asmarter than you in gracefully bowing out and doing his work where he can, and not causing an even bigger train wreck than this election already will be.


Either one supports a candidate or doesn't. "Semi" support is not support.

Regardless, I think it is correct that the reason Paul did not choose to run on an independent ticket is that he would have been removed from his congressional seat, given the "Sore Loser" law in Texas.



posted on Sep, 25 2008 @ 12:38 PM
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Well -- I'd like to believe in Ron Paul but...

The history of the NWO/Illuminati is that anyone who pops their head up as a real leader dies almost immediately. Anyone that might have a significant influence is eliminated and fakes are put up instead. While he has said some good things, he has not acquire a ground force natural support of the people and that to me means he probably isn't for real. I think he's one of the many place holders to say just enough right stuff to fill a gap. I'm really not well informed on Ron Paul, but, I haven't heard anything from him on the Jesuits/Vatican and who runs the NWO. That tells me he's probably shill like La Rouche and the "Natural Law Party".



posted on Sep, 25 2008 @ 12:51 PM
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Dr Paul made a thoughtful statement months ago, when it appeared he would not be able to take the Republican nomination. I wished I had a link to that statement- it could be on his website. He has to stay in the main stream arena- a 3rd party thing would just be a waste of time- he just would not be a factor - the media would just demonize him like they did when he sought the Repub nomination. But as a republican congressmen he has a viable podium to really make some headway. For example, he is in congress right now doing his job taking these financial bastards by the balls, and putting them in his nutcracker right on the CSPAN!



posted on Sep, 25 2008 @ 01:38 PM
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I always thought Ron Paul was taking the principle thing a little too far by not running s an independent. He has already run as a libertarian, though. And he obviously is a libertarian at the base level. It's sort of like an Office Space situation, at least to me. He does stand for true Republican ideals, so why should he change his party? Just like Michael Bolton and the singer Bolton, why change yoursefl if it is the others who suck ass?



posted on Sep, 25 2008 @ 01:46 PM
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Originally posted by ReelView
While he has said some good things, he has not acquire a ground force natural support of the people and that to me means he probably isn't for real.


Are you looking at what happened??? Paul garnered the biggest campaign donation day in history over the Internet. He HAS acquired a ground force amongst those who have been allowed to actually hear what he has to say.

But so many rely on the "information" whore - the MSM - that they never got a chance to hear him out. He isn't "for real!?!" C'mon. If he wasn't, the MSM would have let him have all the face time he wanted. As it was he was obstructed by being ignored, obliquely ridiculed, and cut from debates.

THAT is a sign that he is absolutely "for real."


I think he's one of the many place holders to say just enough right stuff to fill a gap.


Now I am certain you A) have not listened to what he has to say, and B) have not looked at what happened to him in the MSM vs. what happened on the Internet.


I'm really not well informed on Ron Paul,


Well there ya go. I could tell.


... but, I haven't heard anything from him on the Jesuits/Vatican and who runs the NWO. That tells me he's probably shill like La Rouche and the "Natural Law Party".


There are things that if one says directly - like exactly what you are bringing up - that would ensure that people as a whole will drop you like a hot potato. Until he is in a position to maintain his equilibrium against onslaught, he will not discuss these things directly and will only very obliquely bring them up.

No candidate speaks of these things directly - and most not even in an oblique fashion.

My recommendation? Don't post about Paul until you don't have to say things like, "I'm really not well informed on Ron Paul..."

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posted on Sep, 25 2008 @ 01:51 PM
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Originally posted by Imyourchuckleberry
I always thought Ron Paul was taking the principle thing a little too far by not running s an independent. He has already run as a libertarian, though. And he obviously is a libertarian at the base level. It's sort of like an Office Space situation, at least to me. He does stand for true Republican ideals, so why should he change his party? Just like Michael Bolton and the singer Bolton, why change yoursefl if it is the others who suck ass?


It has been pointed out that in Texas, because of a "Sore Loser" law, if he ran under any other party, he would lose his seat in congress. Rather than take a chance with a run for office that is likely to fail, leaving him out of the process completely, I think he chose the wisest move. Stay in congress and do what he can to steer from there.



posted on Sep, 25 2008 @ 02:01 PM
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Originally posted by Orwells Ghost
The United States of America let down Ron Paul. He offered Americans hope for the future, but they were too busy watching Dancing with the Stars.


Well said my friend!

Over here in the UK we are every bit as 'sheeple' like were the truly ignorant UK people watch these programs called soaps and read papers called 'The Sun' with female breasts on show and chav sports pages (king of chav sports, football) and snappy one lines that are aimed at the readers reading ability of 8yrs old and the so called smug educated ones programs like Question Time (a BBC staged political platform to perpetuate the status quo) and read media controlled papers like The Times and Guardian, where they use big words to express the NWO elite agenda's. So the chaves vote for the same two parties and feel they are being political and grown-up whilst the 'educated' sheeple vote for the same two parties because they understand the big words they use. Neither can see that voting for and of these parties will change anything that will give people their freedom back and not perpetuate the Elite families behind ALL governments!



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