Talk about psychosomatic...

Go do some brainwave entrainment again, until you overcome your fear, and all will be lifted.

I find this topic very interesting.

A fews things, off the top of my head...

1. I don't trust this so-called Monroe Institute. I wonder, has anyone on ATS ever investigated them?

2. If it's possible that using these types of Brainwave files can bring about positive changes in a person's mind, then it should be safe to assume that using such a file could bring about negitive changes, as well.

3. Are you still out there Blue?

- Boat

Originally posted by Boatphone
I find this topic very interesting.

A fews things, off the top of my head...

1. I don't trust this so-called Monroe Institute. I wonder, has anyone on ATS ever investigated them?

2. If it's possible that using these types of Brainwave files can bring about positive changes in a person's mind, then it should be safe to assume that using such a file could bring about negitive changes, as well.

3. Are you still out there Blue?

- Boat

The Monroe Institute is great. Robert Monroe is just a guy that learned how to astrally project and helped develop a science that was just getting off the ground.

The only thing binaural beats do is help your mind relax into a state that it already can and does, just a little faster. You know that state when you are watching tv late at night and you're falling asleep but you're still awake and everything seems sort of calmer and slower - well there is a specific set of brainwave frequencies attributed to that state. Binaural beats can play that (and many more) frequency in your head, and if you are willing, your brain can synchronize with it and tune to that state. Binaural beats do not bring about any changes, it's YOU doing the work. It's like hypnosis, only there are no hypnotists giving you suggestions, you have to give it yourself. Also, the only suggestions that get in, are those that your mind accepts (which a lot of the time, your mind kicks out positive things too, and thats why people need many sessions to overcome some problems).

There is nothing harmful about binaural beats. Think of them like floaty pool toys, you can swim and float just fine with out them, but they make it a lot easier.

Sance,

I am now pretty much 100% better. But I still have trouble when drinking alcohol. It is not as enjoyable as it once was. And sometimes it makes me feel very uncomfortable. (sometimes lights still bother me too).

But I know that you too will recover, in time. Just try to rest a good amount, and then, try reading a lot, to build up your mental balance and regain your normal mode of thinking.

Can you provide more information about yourself? There may be something that we share in common that allowed us to be affected negatively by these tones.

Questions for you:
1. What kind of tone did you first play?
2. Do you have any other medical issues? ADD? Sleeping disorder?
3. How do you feel now?

I hope you begin to feel better very soon.

Best, Blue

This is still very interesting to me...

Question: Could these reported problems be caused by the pineal gland? That is to say, could a frequency or tone upset the pineal gland and create negitive effects?

Could these effects last after the persons brainwaves have returned to normal? What problems can come from pineal gland activation? Or Serotonin issues?

- Boat

I often use a freeware program called "Gnaural". I never had any problem like the one described on the OP.. while I have to admit I play with frequencies from 8 to 150 hertz . Normally this type of programs should NOT be used by people with epilepsy : it is possible that simply your brain reacts in an epileptic-like fashion, just stop using the program and you will get better. Doctors will not be able to help you very much as they generally have no clue on BrainWaves . Let us know how you feel , ok?

sorry: i forgot to ask : what frequency made you feel sick ? this could be a clue to why you feel bad!

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you need to put the commas



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Did you communicate with TMI about this? They probably could have provided you some information.

I've done extensive brain state experimentation for nearly 30 years, from self hypnosis to bi-neural beat audio ('Hemi-Sync™' is the trade name for what TMI provides) and other thing. In general I'm one of those people in the top % of the hypnotic suggestibility and altered states--and related anomalous experience--are fairly common for me, so perhaps not having negative reaction to this is because I'm just more naturally accustomed to it.

One time, I had a wide variety of east indian incense -- the real deal stuff, not pretty smelly crap like in the west. I was burning different stuff each day just to see what it was like. One day, I put on a couple fat sticks of something new. After like 10 seconds I thought, "Something's wrong. I feel -- I feel -- " and I literally yelled out loud, "GGGAAAAAHHHHH! NO, ENOUGH!" and I ran with the sticks outside to stomp them out. I swear I felt as if, somehow, they were trying to forcibly project my identity-center out of my body. I've had OBE's my whole life and am fine with this but it felt like something being FORCED. Weirdest thing ever! I've never reacted like that to anything before or since. But I figure if mere seconds of a seemingly harmless incense could make me react that vehemently, probably bineural stuff could affect you.

If you apply for a program at the monroe institute they have a detailed questionnaire. Some people really do not react well to this kind of thing at all. I do NOT consider bi-neural audio tech to be dangerous or a bad thing. But neither are laser light shows; however, epileptics would have something to say about that.

I'm thinking, given their response to you, that they probably thought you were insane.

It's not unusual for people on the borderline to have just about any experience with the slightest bit of intrigue and before you know it they've had a whole psychotic break and it's something-else's-fault. I've seen this happen a great deal with remote viewing. Some people simply should not be exposed to certain stuff for their own good. Unfortunately there is no way to know who those people are in advance if they don't know themselves.

Your brainwave state is completely alterable by you. It is changing constantly. I could kinda see that maybe some rare person could feel poorly affected by bineural audio tech, but I honestly can't fathom how you're still having side effects 8 months later. I mean, your brainwave state started changing the minute you took off your headphones, and has radically changed all over the place every day for the last 8 months. How that could be affecting you 'onward' not just initially is confusing to me. Not saying it isn't true, just saying I don't have any place in my logic or limited knowlege of brainwaves and tech to explain it.

I suggest you make a point to take control of this by learning some self-induced trancework for example.

Best,
PJ

But these pale in comparison to how I felt when I first hear the TMI audio file. Which was insane and like a zombie, just awful. I also felt strong pressure in my head

thats exeactly how i felt,, the first 2 months.

now i can say that its better but really i am still not the old me.

i think the best thing is to try not to think about it,, i also felt such an pressure in my head, in my eyes.. and doctors didn't belive me..

i would call it "brain fog"

i went to mental institution, they told me its possible that with the panic attack you had that day while listening to the binary, its possible that your brain got out of balance, and it can take few weeks to few months to return to normal..

i hope it wil. i am happy that its better but be carefull.

btw i can't send any u2u messages.

thats why i asked if we could email?

aim or smthng?