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How can we fight back and still be safe?

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posted on Sep, 23 2008 @ 11:55 PM
Where is the line?

What can we as ordinary, normally "law-abiding citizens" DO to stop this "1984/Fahrenheit-451/Brand New World" from happening?


Author books?

Civil disobedience?


I see no easy solution. I do not wish to be a martyr....but I feel a revolution of a higher nature needs to happen, an intellectual revolution.

For the last 60 years our species has been trained, ingrained, and fed foods to dumb us down, turn us fat...and make us...literally "Cows".

Those of us who still stand un-affected need to scream! (or just kill ourselves, or run to the hills...this culture the masses feed us is parasitic, viral, and degrading...)

As Admiral Cain said in "Razor" --

"When faced with untennable odds ; you must consider your imperative."

Our imperative should be the preservation of the freedom of human individuality, and it's creativity.

I say our imperative is right here, in our members and our forums.

We can, as a group stand strong and united if we decide to do so.

Do we?

So shall we decide to cower in the shadows? Run? Fight and risk being snatched up as "domestic terrorists"?

What is the wisest, most logical course in a situation that we now face?

[edit on 23-9-2008 by MystikMushroom]

posted on Sep, 24 2008 @ 12:03 AM
First off, as I've said before don't use a public forum to make your revolutionary plans.

posted on Sep, 24 2008 @ 12:10 AM

Originally posted by asmeone2
First off, as I've said before don't use a public forum to make your revolutionary plans.

Do you really believe that any other form of media is not some how under surveillance?

How did they find the Palin hacker so fast? Anon was not using public forums, was he/her?

This is not a revolutionary "plan" -- but more of a "wtf can I DO?!" message -- without risking my own life in some "noble cause for whats right".

Hm, if they're watching me they know I'm a harmless chatterbox...they know this and so do I. I'm sure they have psych-profiles on me from all I've said and did, participated in...(if they wanted).

Go grab some BOOKS and READ...become EDUCATED!

This world seems to seriously lack intelligent people....

posted on Sep, 24 2008 @ 12:13 AM
Hmmm, I don't think he was planning, just asking how we COULD revolt without dieing. I really don't know if it will be possible. If some MIT student was really radical and made a bunch of nukes it might be, but the U.S. army is so big...
Of course if such a revolution did happen I am sure the military personel that have not been completely brainwashed would join. I am quite intrigued (and terrified) about how this will all play out...

posted on Sep, 24 2008 @ 12:14 AM
You can't fight back and "be safe". When was the last time you were in a "safe" fight? Ya just gotta hang in and keep swinging!!

posted on Sep, 24 2008 @ 12:16 AM
Revolt without dying, I see, scuse me but it's late here

I think that the group of citizens in question has to collectively come to a point where they beleive that their current situation is just as bad or worse than dying.

They have nothing to loose, so they are willing to lay down their lives for the "revolution."

They also have to strike the "Evemy" where it will actually cripple him. Soemtimes this is difficult to accomplish once the mob mentality gets going.

posted on Sep, 24 2008 @ 12:20 AM
There are plenty of ways to revolt without being put in direct danger. Educate people and recruit them. Tell everyone you know the facts, and let them decide what they believe. You can revolt without fighting.

posted on Sep, 24 2008 @ 12:27 AM
An intellectual revolution has been happening etc

But noone (or very few) is/are/will listen(ing).

The intellectual revolution has FAILED. And so will violence if it is even ATTEMPTED... Though I would try XD

If there was a way for change to happen without violence/risk of injury I wouldn't be posting topics on this forum, I'd be doing whatever that is

[edit on 24-9-2008 by NeverSurrender]

[edit on 24-9-2008 by NeverSurrender]

posted on Sep, 24 2008 @ 12:36 AM
change your opinion of what safe means.
We cant have our cake and eat it too.
Its going to take as much sacrifice as was involved to get it this far in the first place, maybe more so.

The situation we have here, is akin to the Bhagavad-Gita; Krishna's counsel in time of war. Basically, Arjuna doesnt want to fight because the enemy are his kinfolk, and Krishna reassures him there is no such thing as death and to slay evil in the defense of good. (but in a more eloquent and deep manner)

Id say, do all of the above that you stated, and be ready for ANYTHING(torture, jail, death, living as a nomad, victory).
Draw moral lines, hold firm and STAND UP when they are crossed. (like the chip or taking away your rights) If we do not begin to stand up as individuals, there is not much hope for standing as a whole.

And then there is the paranoia of, maybe they want us to stand up and do something, then I say, learn some serious survival skills, study philosophy, meditate, and make a cache of textbooks. Find a discreet place and wait for Babylon to fall yet again, and then come back to the people in the ashes and bring back to them their knowledge, faith, and hope.

posted on Feb, 1 2016 @ 07:22 PM
I think that you can't say anything about anything without being somehow labeled, so dive in. You've already been labeled, you may as well make the best out of a bad situation. I think that the more people we can convince to have "dangerous" thoughts, the less danger of being guilty of mindcrime we as a society are in. I want everyone to think as freely as they are capable of, and so I try to act accordingly. As to being labeled as dangerous for my thoughts, I think I crossed that line a long long time ago (probably in high school if not earlier).

Don't be afraid to be engaging on whatever you want to talk about, not just in here but person to person in everyday life. It may get you alienated from time to time, but you might be surprised how many people share the same ideas. If they don't, well there are still a lot of people who are open to new ideas that you can reason with. They're not all hopelessly brainwashed. Movements happen one person at a time (the same way elections are won). If you don't engage people to think, though, it may well turn out that no one else engages them either. They may live out their existence in this life ignorant of a broader point of view.

I'll leave you with Patrick Henry's words in his March 23rd, 1775 speech before the Virginia Convention: "...Shall we gather strength by irresolution and inaction? Shall we acquire the means of effectual resistance by lying supinely on our backs and hugging the delusive phantom of hope until our enemies have bound us hand and foot? Sir, we are not weak, if we make a proper use of those means which the God of nature hath placed in our power. Three millions of people armed in the holy cause of liberty and in such a country as that which we possess are invincible by any force which our enemy can send against us. The battle, sir, is not to the strong alone. It is to the vigilant, the active, the brave..."

That number would likely be a much larger one than three million today should the American people as a body decide to take action, even if we're only talking about ten percent of them.

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