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Rapture = FEMA Death Camps?

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posted on Sep, 28 2008 @ 10:43 AM
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Originally posted by badmedia
Examples? While I can agree that part of rebuilding something is destroying it before hand, I can't think of any examples where 1 person needed to die in order to bring life to another area. The closest example might be Jesus.

Examples:
1)I have a garden in my yard. The tomatoes are almost done and I'll be putting the old plants into the compost bin to give life to the new garden next year.
2)An old man builds a company from nothing. The company has a product that is now obsolete, but the old man refuses to stop making the product despite unignorable net profit decline. The old man dies. His heir decides to adjust to the times and make products that actually sell and business is, once again, profitable.
3)I hesitate to say this, given the sick minds out there who might twist or abuse this, but it's already been said over and over, even on this forum, and, for the first time, I'm saying it now. Sometimes, when a crisis happens, like a hurricane disaster, it brings communities together who were becoming stagnant and uncaring otherwise, blind to the needs of anyone but themselves.
4)You mentioned Jesus. He said himself(his apostles said he said) he was to be used like the snake Moses lifted up in the wilderness, to heal the ones afflicted by poison, just by believing in him. There were a lot of people in his day who were being lied to and afflicted by the religion of that culture, being told they could only access God if they paid unrealistic prices and the poor were the ones suffering the most from this. In order to "free" them of the affliction, he had to use something they could relate to. He used himself. They were used to sacrificing in that culture and the tactic worked, for many of them, they understood it. Today, this tactic would not work and, if Jesus were to come back to readjust another culture, he would choose a tactic fitting for that culture. So the example doesn't match my point, for this day and age. And, this is part of the reason I'm so opposed to old teachings still being used today. This gives birth to suicide bombers thinking they're doing the right thing, and they are wrong. People need to upgrade past barbarianism.



As for the Holy Spirit, I think that is what gave me the knowledge and understanding I experienced, but to be honest I never got any physical type teachers. I had a vision once, which came before I gained a ton of understanding, but even in my vision I didn't see "features" on the being, and I didn't even ask for a name. It was more like a movie than anything, even what I said was not "me", but came from me, but it was as if I was watching it. Like what I responded with I never thought about, it just came out automatically. And the vision itself didn't contain any knowledge or understanding. It was mostly like a reassurance that it could end whenever I wanted it to(not suicidal like either). The knowledge came after in weird ways, which is what lead me to the bible to begin with, as I did not subscribe to it all before then(but always thought Jesus was a good man). So I dunno exactly, but of what I've read in the bible the holy spirit definitely fits the description.
To even talk about things is difficult to explain, because it's like you need a base knowledge before you can understand. And then it becomes difficult talking to people because I have to first get on the same level as they are. I can see why they call these things "doors".

First, thank you for sharing, I find it so precious when someone shares and I fully appreciate it, I know it takes so much courage to open up.

I'm a very open person, but not publicly. If someone were to come to me and ask me, honestly, to open up to them, just because they were curious and wanted to know, I would open up. But I don't like sneaky attempts to get me to offer information by guiding me into it, without them actually having to ask. That really aggravates me. I like up-front and honest communications. Anyway, that's off topic, but I want you to know, I have had a similar experience as you and understand much of what you're saying. It seems we're on the same path of learning, for the most part, and I enjoy the exchange.

Oh I think many will believe they have created intelligence. I'm not saying they won't create something that talks back to us and all kinds of things that appear intelligent. Just that without a soul/consciousness it is nothing more than a machine following very complex patterns. Of which contain our own biases. It by default would have to be dumbed down in ways or we wouldn't recognize the intelligence(we have a range of intelligence we can understand, just like a range in vision). They won't be a "being".
The thing that scares me is if people start to believe the intelligence created is somehow smarter than others and starts to listen to the machine rather than themselves, as that is a pattern our society seems to follow(group think).

This is another topic that I would absolutely love to continue with you.


Dead culture is just putting value into the image. We are faced with the same questions today that these people faced in that "dead culture". Our only advancements have come technologically for the most part. The images are merely the variables of an equation, you can swap them out with our culture and it's the same thing. It's the philosophy of what is involved.

There's always going to be similarities because we're all humans. That's like saying, "we have food that we eat, oh look, they had food too." I believe some things teachings can still be used but much of the old teaching is obstructive and needs to go.

Continued...









[edit on 28-9-2008 by mmariebored]




posted on Sep, 28 2008 @ 11:07 AM
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You once again plainly used image as a way of describing things, rather than the philosophy and understanding. The "beast" in us doesn't speak every religion in the world etc.

No, but today's technology gives everyone the access we didn't have before.
So, essentially, the "beast" in all of us DOES speak every religion in the world now, with the help of technology.


Why would you want people to let it go? Do the things the anti-christ do sound like good things to you? Even if you don't believe or whatever, why shouldn't people guard against such things?

That's like asking me, "why would you want to let go of the boogie man? Do the things the boogie man do sound like good things to you?"
Why should I "guard" against something I feel I now understand as something entirely different than before I had a better understanding of it. It is as if someone turned on the light and what looked like a monster in my room can now be seen for what it is, a sweater draped over my chair.

If you focus on image, you are blind/ignorant to the truth being told. Understand the philosophy of what is being said, and drop the image. There are many images that can fit. When those images fit, it's because they are following the equation/philosophy, and that is the bad part.
And if you are more scientific in nature, then look at quantum physics. Where you put a single particle of an entire wave into perspective. If you can only ever see the single particle, then we are blind to the wave(I am in this case). That image you focus on, rather than seeing all the other images which can easily be put in that same place, then you are blind to the wave/truth.

I'm quite capable of understanding what you're saying on more levels that one. Are you capable of opening up to my perspective as well?

I'm a programmer, so I guess this is more natural for me to see. I create things which follow equations and the value in the variables is switched out over and over even though they still follow the same equation. If I took 1 page of the results, and acted like that was the only valid page, then I'd be lying. And that is what people do ALL the time.

You can 100% prove to me Jesus never lived and the entire thing was made up. And it would not change my opinion at all.

I'd never try to convince anyone Jesus never lived. Only that his message, that we all have access to God without religious rituals and beliefs directing us, was more important than worshiping the image of him.





[edit on 28-9-2008 by mmariebored]



posted on Sep, 28 2008 @ 12:07 PM
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Not exactly true. The rapture happens before the 7 year tribulation. Now, there will be a great many people during the tribulation who will come to Christ, but a study of prophecy notes that the antichrist will not begin to murder Christians until the midway part of the tribulation period. The last 3 1/2 years.

Now, there will be some Christians killed on the red list sure, but that is mostly for those people who reject the implementation of the NWO. It encompases MANY more people than just Christians.



posted on Sep, 28 2008 @ 12:32 PM
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That reminds me, badmedia , I forgot to add. Your posts are like a breath of fresh air compared to some of the people on here who purposely hold people back in a barbaric culture, like dead weight pulling them into a bottomless abyss. I thank God for people with signs of intelligent life blooming inside of them and not decaying rot from a stagnated culture. It gives me faith in mankind to see this progress.

We may not agree on everything, nobody agrees on everything, but progress is being able to trade and exchange thoughts and ideas with each other for each other's improved overall understanding.



posted on Sep, 29 2008 @ 12:12 AM
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Originally posted by mmariebored
Examples:
1)I have a garden in my yard. The tomatoes are almost done and I'll be putting the old plants into the compost bin to give life to the new garden next year.


Nothing against natural fertilizer, but in such a case you don't really need to take the life of 1 to give/save to another.



2)An old man builds a company from nothing. The company has a product that is now obsolete, but the old man refuses to stop making the product despite unignorable net profit decline. The old man dies. His heir decides to adjust to the times and make products that actually sell and business is, once again, profitable.


That is just 1 mans stubbornness. However, on this topic I do have something I realized as to why communities and even death has to exist in order to create actual intelligence.



3)I hesitate to say this, given the sick minds out there who might twist or abuse this, but it's already been said over and over, even on this forum, and, for the first time, I'm saying it now. Sometimes, when a crisis happens, like a hurricane disaster, it brings communities together who were becoming stagnant and uncaring otherwise, blind to the needs of anyone but themselves.


But that is just people coming to each others need in times of need. They didn't need to do it before, but just shows when it's needed people do come together.

As for Jesus. If Jesus would have fought back and not died for the cause, it would have given people the wrong example. It would have said that in order to defeat the evil, you needed to become evil yourself. But he sacrificed himself just to show people how to get into heaven. It doesn't mean you personally have to die as such, but if you hold true to his path that is enough. I do think that is the closest we will ever get to where someone "needed" to die in order to save others. However, as we all die, I look at it as he didn't waste his death.



I have had a similar experience as you and understand much of what you're saying. It seems we're on the same path of learning, for the most part, and I enjoy the exchange.


A good friend of mine once said - We should all have our own vision.



posted on Sep, 29 2008 @ 12:28 AM
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Originally posted by mmariebored
No, but today's technology gives everyone the access we didn't have before.
So, essentially, the "beast" in all of us DOES speak every religion in the world now, with the help of technology.


Oops, I said religion where I meant to say speak every language. When it comes to religion all of them are alike in many ways, but only on a philosophical level, where they each have their own images in place for the story. And the people who only focus on the image on both sides fight each other over that image. Each side playing the evil for the other side. But the anti-christ mentioned in the bible speaks all the languages of the earth, among other things. I do believe smaller types of these people can fit the bill, but the bible is talking on a global scale.




That's like asking me, "why would you want to let go of the boogie man? Do the things the boogie man do sound like good things to you?"
Why should I "guard" against something I feel I now understand as something entirely different than before I had a better understanding of it. It is as if someone turned on the light and what looked like a monster in my room can now be seen for what it is, a sweater draped over my chair.


Guard against the boogie man, or guard against anything which may be in your closet at night? The boogie man is just an image, it's thinking that someone may be in your closet going to get you that is scary. And we do guard against such things by locking our homes. You lock your house because you are scared of a "boogie man" who's going to come in your house unwanted and hurt you.

See, even if the anti-christ isn't real, the things said are really things that can happen. Plus, there are these crazy people in the world who actively work towards making the things come true. It's like - how do they get the power to make these things happen that makes me go hmmm. Even if it is like self fulling prophecy, then how in the world are these people able to make it happen?



I'm quite capable of understanding what you're saying on more levels that one. Are you capable of opening up to my perspective as well?


Yes and no. I will reject by default any images given to things. Not that I do not believe your images are real to you, just that I like to look deeper. So when I look at another persons perspective I look at the philosophy they are following rather than the images they use to describe it. Until we are operating on philosophy we agree with, then we will have to argue about the philosophy of it. Once I see agreement in basic philosophy, then it's easier to talk about how to actually follow it and do the right thing. Or as I like to think of it - putting the philosophy to the test.



I'd never try to convince anyone Jesus never lived. Only that his message, that we all have access to God without religious rituals and beliefs directing us, was more important than worshiping the image of him.
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posted on Sep, 29 2008 @ 12:32 AM
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Originally posted by mmariebored
That reminds me, badmedia , I forgot to add. Your posts are like a breath of fresh air compared to some of the people on here who purposely hold people back in a barbaric culture, like dead weight pulling them into a bottomless abyss. I thank God for people with signs of intelligent life blooming inside of them and not decaying rot from a stagnated culture. It gives me faith in mankind to see this progress.

We may not agree on everything, nobody agrees on everything, but progress is being able to trade and exchange thoughts and ideas with each other for each other's improved overall understanding.


Thanks, I've enjoyed it. I've tried to talk about this kind of stuff before, but normally I just get called names(not that it bothers me or stops me), but it is nice to get decent debate on the topic.

It is my belief that in the end we all wake up. It's just a matter of how hard the shaking is going to get before it happens. I think it is truly like a door, and once you go through it, or wake up, people will start to think more intelligently.



posted on Sep, 29 2008 @ 12:49 AM
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Originally posted by badmedia

Originally posted by mmariebored
That reminds me, badmedia , I forgot to add. Your posts are like a breath of fresh air compared to some of the people on here who purposely hold people back in a barbaric culture, like dead weight pulling them into a bottomless abyss. I thank God for people with signs of intelligent life blooming inside of them and not decaying rot from a stagnated culture. It gives me faith in mankind to see this progress.

We may not agree on everything, nobody agrees on everything, but progress is being able to trade and exchange thoughts and ideas with each other for each other's improved overall understanding.


Thanks, I've enjoyed it. I've tried to talk about this kind of stuff before, but normally I just get called names(not that it bothers me or stops me), but it is nice to get decent debate on the topic.

It is my belief that in the end we all wake up. It's just a matter of how hard the shaking is going to get before it happens. I think it is truly like a door, and once you go through it, or wake up, people will start to think more intelligently.


What I would love to know is, who is doing the shaking and who is doing the sleeping?



posted on Sep, 29 2008 @ 08:35 AM
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Originally posted by badmedia
That is just 1 mans stubbornness. However, on this topic I do have something I realized as to why communities and even death has to exist in order to create actual intelligence.

My point there was, most likely the heir was thinking the old man "needs" to die, for the future success of himself and that company. In this case, someone thought someone "needed" to die in order to bring change or "life in another area", as I stated.


As for Jesus. If Jesus would have fought back and not died for the cause, it would have given people the wrong example. It would have said that in order to defeat the evil, you needed to become evil yourself. But he sacrificed himself just to show people how to get into heaven. It doesn't mean you personally have to die as such, but if you hold true to his path that is enough. I do think that is the closest we will ever get to where someone "needed" to die in order to save others. However, as we all die, I look at it as he didn't waste his death.

If you read carefully, you'll see I said pretty much what you just said, only worded it differently.

In this case the barbarian culture who brainwashed their people into thinking sacrifice was the only way to accomplish anything, were the cause of Jesus "needing" to die. He would not have "needed" to die if those morons didn't think someone "needed" to die. Really, no death was necessary at all! If those people could have been retrained on a grand scale, like is possible today, no death would have been "necessary".

In fact, the ONLY example I gave that fits the "need" category is the garden one because we all know those nutrients "need" to come from somewhere...somebody has to give them up.


See, even if the anti-christ isn't real, the things said are really things that can happen. Plus, there are these crazy people in the world who actively work towards making the things come true. It's like - how do they get the power to make these things happen that makes me go hmmm. Even if it is like self fulling prophecy, then how in the world are these people able to make it happen?

You're not suggesting the world is secretly run by hidden controllers, are you? Because, if you are, you're not alone.



posted on Sep, 29 2008 @ 11:34 AM
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Originally posted by mmariebored
My point there was, most likely the heir was thinking the old man "needs" to die, for the future success of himself and that company. In this case, someone thought someone "needed" to die in order to bring change or "life in another area", as I stated.


May have thought, but it was not the only way.



In this case the barbarian culture who brainwashed their people into thinking sacrifice was the only way to accomplish anything, were the cause of Jesus "needing" to die. He would not have "needed" to die if those morons didn't think someone "needed" to die. Really, no death was necessary at all! If those people could have been retrained on a grand scale, like is possible today, no death would have been "necessary".


I always seen it as Jesus was crucified because he wouldn't keep the status quo and do what men of power expected of him. I will address why he "needed" to die below because you somewhat touch on that.



In fact, the ONLY example I gave that fits the "need" category is the garden one because we all know those nutrients "need" to come from somewhere...somebody has to give them up.


Well it's helpful, but not exactly needed. And those plants would die anyway, you are really just not wasting their death. Also comes a matter of consciousness.



You're not suggesting the world is secretly run by hidden controllers, are you? Because, if you are, you're not alone.


Now this is where we go to another level. We having been talking good vs evil. But on a higher level there is no such thing. In Genesis it says we must learn both good and evil. This is so we are no longer ignorant/naked. We can always be good, but we couldn't understand it unless evil was present. And we could be evil but we could never understand it without good. You must have them both to understand them. Just as you need to experience both hot and cold temperatures to understand the difference in them.

I believe it is the hindu religion where are the end of each age, the devil and the angels embrace each other. Because they are working together in order to teach a lesson.

It's hard to explain really, but the universe will automatically change the lesson based on what the people need to learn. Because it is our/my ignorance that allows the evil to happen. And the only way we/I can learn it is to experience and see it, and then understand it. Once that lesson is learned then the universe will move us along because we will no longer allow/need that lesson. It's like the old cycle that starts out with theology and ends up with democracy before deteriorating and then comes a rivial of theology.

It seems that is what Paul is talking about to justify his own power. And when he talks about removing the corruption, it is talking about removing the need for the lesson IMO.

So while evil on 1 level, it's a lesson on another level IMO. I personally view the earth as a school. And I feel the earth is under quarantine until the lesson is learned, to protect life in the rest of the universe.



posted on Sep, 29 2008 @ 12:30 PM
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Originally posted by badmedia
Now this is where we go to another level. We having been talking good vs evil. But on a higher level there is no such thing. In Genesis it says we must learn both good and evil. This is so we are no longer ignorant/naked. We can always be good, but we couldn't understand it unless evil was present. And we could be evil but we could never understand it without good. You must have them both to understand them. Just as you need to experience both hot and cold temperatures to understand the difference in them.

I believe it is the hindu religion where are the end of each age, the devil and the angels embrace each other. Because they are working together in order to teach a lesson.

It's hard to explain really, but the universe will automatically change the lesson based on what the people need to learn. Because it is our/my ignorance that allows the evil to happen. And the only way we/I can learn it is to experience and see it, and then understand it. Once that lesson is learned then the universe will move us along because we will no longer allow/need that lesson. It's like the old cycle that starts out with theology and ends up with democracy before deteriorating and then comes a rivial of theology.

It seems that is what Paul is talking about to justify his own power. And when he talks about removing the corruption, it is talking about removing the need for the lesson IMO.

So while evil on 1 level, it's a lesson on another level IMO. I personally view the earth as a school. And I feel the earth is under quarantine until the lesson is learned, to protect life in the rest of the universe.

I have the same large-scale view of the earth as you do...it just seems we say it differently and YOU seem to have a block up convincing you that everything I say is wrong until I completely agree with you word for word, even though we're pretty much saying the same thing. Are you male? Because this sort of block is usually typical of how most males "hear" women. Just an observation(I'm sure you'll flame this observation which only proves my point if you ARE male).

Also, Paul was a woman-hating creep. He deserved every bit of "persecution" he got. Karma came after his sorry butt for killing innocent people(early christian murderer, remember?). He preached "Jesus forgives, everyone is forgiven...grace and mercy blah blah blah" yet he turned around and told the church not to give old ladies any money if it could be proven they were anything less than the perfect wife to their, no doubt, imperfect husbands.

And these women were robbed in that culture, by men. Everything they had was confiscated once their husband died if they didn't have a son to inherit it. The ones in Paul's churches probably poured everything they had into the church, only to have him thank them by telling them some imperfection was hissed into his ears by a church gossip so now they get nothing. But, everything Paul did was forgiven, right? WRONG. Karma came back all over him and rightfully so. "As you judge, so shall you be judged". Jesus may have forgiven him but God kicked his arse.


There IS a God, and he doesn't HAVE a religion.


Yes, the game changes.
It seems it changes as soon as you learn it, doesn't it?
Thank God some rules stay the same no matter what creep is in charge.


Sorry if I went a bit off topic but my points have everything to do with why the whole "rapture" belief is bogus.



posted on Sep, 29 2008 @ 10:51 PM
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Yes I am male. I don't know that I was disagreeing as I was explaining how I see it though. I'm not a big fan of Paul personally, I was just trying to explain what I thought that chapter in the bible meant. As I said, I think he was just trying to justify his own power.

This is why I have a difficult time talking about things. It is hard for me to tell if someone is talking about the image as the importance or what because we have to use image to communicate.



There IS a God, and he doesn't HAVE a religion.


I agree because religion is all about worshiping the image.



Sorry if I went a bit off topic but my points have everything to do with why the whole "rapture" belief is bogus.


Oh I didn't mean to give the impression that I am a believer in the whole rapture thing. I am not. I don't rule it out, but I certainly don't count on it either.

As I said before, I don't get my knowledge from the bible, but the knowledge I have gotten definitely helps me understand. There are many dogmas in religion that I outright reject, and can prove they are wrong.

Like the entire concept of an eternal hell for example. It makes 0 sense. A temporary hell, sure. And someone having a chance of being in hell for eternity, sure as well. But being sentenced to eternal hell makes 0 sense. I love my kids. I punish my kids merely to teach a lesson. I do not punish my kids for eternity however. If they keep making the same mistake, I keep punishing them.



posted on Sep, 30 2008 @ 09:43 AM
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Originally posted by badmedia
Oh I didn't mean to give the impression that I am a believer in the whole rapture thing. I am not. I don't rule it out, but I certainly don't count on it either.

As I said before, I don't get my knowledge from the bible, but the knowledge I have gotten definitely helps me understand. There are many dogmas in religion that I outright reject, and can prove they are wrong.

Like the entire concept of an eternal hell for example. It makes 0 sense. A temporary hell, sure. And someone having a chance of being in hell for eternity, sure as well. But being sentenced to eternal hell makes 0 sense. I love my kids. I punish my kids merely to teach a lesson. I do not punish my kids for eternity however. If they keep making the same mistake, I keep punishing them.


That's exactly how I discovered there couldn't possibly be a hell. It always amazed me how christians could say there was a loving God, the "father" of all of us, and in the next breath say he casts bad human beings into hell for eternity, claiming he "never knew them". I would never do that to any of my children. I've told my kids that if they ever break the law and end up in jail one day, I'd still love them. I'd never say "my son/daughter is dead to me", because I wouldn't ever want God to say that to me. "Do unto others as you'd have them do unto you" also applies to treating others how you want God to treat you, or you can think of it in terms of "Karmic payback". One lesson I discovered that has never changed, in all my life, is that everything you do to someone else, is eventually done right back to you. That goes for how you treat people, how you judge people, how much mercy you show people, how charitable you are, how greedy you are, etc. etc.

No, I don't follow the "image" of God most people believe, and I call him a "he" because that's what I'm used to and feel comfortable doing. But I believe "he" is the entire universe and everything in it and, at the same time, an intelligent ruling entity, and I don't believe one such "entity" would create a "Hell". It goes against all logic.

So does most of what Revelation teaches, it's nothing more than a fear tactic, just as "Hell" is.

Some religious leaders who teach a "Hell", do so because they believe people won't behave themselves if they're not motivated by this lie. They think they need to scare them into being good. Some teach it because it aids in controlling them for their own personal gain.

I believe God is perfectly capable of keeping people in line and if more people knew this, and were taught this, instead of the lies, they'd have no problem behaving themselves. The problem is, when people discover they've been lied to, they dismiss EVERYTHING they've ever been taught, as far as doing the right thing goes, and they behave WORSE than if they were taught the truth to begin with, that God, "karma" will catch up with them. The lie of "Hell" is destructive for humanity as a whole, particularly in the day and age we're in now, where knowledge is flooding the atmosphere and everyone is wising up. It's like a veil has been lifted, but I like to think of it the way Lucas described it, as the "force", the more information pouring into it by more and more people, the more is accessible to receptive("gifted") people...ones who aren't shielded by fearmongers pushing their ridiculous dogma and holding them back, thus, holding humanity back from progressing into a state of perfection.



posted on Sep, 30 2008 @ 10:02 AM
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You are almost right......hell as "sold" in typical context does not exist, except, those who do reject God's law will die forever. This is the "second death". Those who do not repent are cast into the lake of fire to perish...........not be tormented for all eternity. The "gift" of eternal life is for those who accept God and do his commandments, repent their sins through Jesus.

The torment is the realization eternal life "was" possible and they blew it.......

The rapture is a false myth to trick those unprepared...........

God sent his only "human" son to die a horrible death, why would he spare "you"?



posted on Sep, 30 2008 @ 10:21 AM
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Apart and separate from the issue of the rapture, which by the way God has chosen to make sure no one knows when it shall happen, someone mentioned about the red color for enemies of the state. I heard last night on a video, that yellow is meant for "believe it or not" the dumb, or "sheeple". Those who have no idea what is going on. Among these people are Christians who, as they claim, would just simply jump on the trains believeing all is well. The trains will go straight to the crematories. People never leave the train as the cars are brought in and the people are killed (gassed) right away. Then they are put into incinerators for disposal. No one ever lives very long in the camps and those that go there are there to be exterminated. The goal is "population stabalization" to reduce the overall population of the Earth to a minimum of 500 million. There is a monument to this in the state Georgia about the 500 million.

The rapture does not have to happen before all this. many dictators have tried to rule the world. Hitler had his day on the Earth. Evil is on the uprise. It is going to get a lot worse before it gets better. remember, the key is to never give up. In the end Christ will return and we who know him will be restrored.



posted on Sep, 30 2008 @ 10:28 AM
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Originally posted by heliosprime
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You are almost right......hell as "sold" in typical context does not exist, except, those who do reject God's law will die forever. This is the "second death". Those who do not repent are cast into the lake of fire to perish...........not be tormented for all eternity. The "gift" of eternal life is for those who accept God and do his commandments, repent their sins through Jesus.

The torment is the realization eternal life "was" possible and they blew it.......

The rapture is a false myth to trick those unprepared...........

God sent his only "human" son to die a horrible death, why would he spare "you"?


There's fault in that logic.
If it is true, we all have eternal souls, than an eternal soul cannot cease to exist. But an eternal soul CAN be retrained, if it takes what feels like an eternity................



posted on Sep, 30 2008 @ 10:29 AM
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All speculation with no backing whatsoever.



posted on Sep, 30 2008 @ 06:38 PM
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Originally posted by Fromabove
Apart and separate from the issue of the rapture, which by the way God has chosen to make sure no one knows when it shall happen, someone mentioned about the red color for enemies of the state. I heard last night on a video, that yellow is meant for "believe it or not" the dumb, or "sheeple". Those who have no idea what is going on. Among these people are Christians who, as they claim, would just simply jump on the trains believeing all is well. The trains will go straight to the crematories. People never leave the train as the cars are brought in and the people are killed (gassed) right away. Then they are put into incinerators for disposal. No one ever lives very long in the camps and those that go there are there to be exterminated. The goal is "population stabalization" to reduce the overall population of the Earth to a minimum of 500 million. There is a monument to this in the state Georgia about the 500 million.

The rapture does not have to happen before all this. many dictators have tried to rule the world. Hitler had his day on the Earth. Evil is on the uprise. It is going to get a lot worse before it gets better. remember, the key is to never give up. In the end Christ will return and we who know him will be restrored.

OK, I've got an even scarier fantasy, since we're making scary fantasies out of scattered pieces of info now. Here it goes:
We're all trapped in the belly of a great "beast" who is slowly digesting us. We only think we're here talking to each other but really we're not. This "beast" keeps us alive, he doesn't want us to die yet, because we taste so much better when he feeds us nightmares and our brains secrete adrenaline.
We're all connected because we're all inside of his body and mind.

(any similarities between this fantasy and star wars, matrix, the bible, mother earth's blood lust and anything else I missed are completely coincidental)



posted on Sep, 30 2008 @ 06:55 PM
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You know I had a dream once about the Rapture ..


I was looking at the earth close up and at an angle ..
It looked like night time (the sun wasnt shining) it could have just been symbolic though of a darkened world ...like in the end times like we are now.
Anyway ..I saw people curled up asleep kind of floating as if in water or space.
But everyone was connected with an umbilical chord to the earth ....all of a sudden several of those peoples chords just broke off at the end and they floated up instantly .....I looked around and there were alot of people still asleep and still had the umbilical chord connected ...end of dream..


I see this dream meaning this .......those who are connected to the umbilical chord are people who are OF the world and worldy..they are bound by the fleshly (Their choice ) ..the ones who disconnected and floated up are those who are spiritual and are in this world but not OF It ......They were FREED (Raptured in the air to meet the Lord) from the bonds of the earth ..
From Flesh to Spirit ....it will be complete when the Lord calls us up to him.In a twinkling of an eye we shall be changed from corruption(our connection through the umbilical cord ) to incorruption (Cord is broken and we are freed to go with the Lord) ..........



posted on Sep, 30 2008 @ 08:05 PM
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Originally posted by mmariebored
There's fault in that logic.
If it is true, we all have eternal souls, than an eternal soul cannot cease to exist. But an eternal soul CAN be retrained, if it takes what feels like an eternity................


Err, the eternal soul was created by GOD who is the only one who can destroy it......................



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