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The Second American Revolution: Turning Point

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posted on Sep, 25 2008 @ 10:26 AM
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URGENT! YOUR CALL! ROLLCALL!
A ONE TRILLION BAIL OUT IS GOING TO BE PASSED IF PEOPLE DON'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT.

SO, IN THE WORDS OF MANY WISE FORUM MEMBERS. MAKE YOUR CALL AND LET US KNOW WHEN YOU HAVE HERE. WE´LL TALLY IT UP!


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They're just saying that to make you give up!

This is SO IMPORTANT. I don't care WHAT'S going on, please drop everything and call your representatives right now. Use the script below to oppose the $700 billion bailout. This might be the most important phone call you ever make to a politician. It will make a difference. They are peeing their pants over this mess because wall st and washington are insisting it passes and they know citizens are completely enraged and against it.

Please call! Every single one of you. PLEASE. It will take two seconds.

If you already called, please call again. This is a very serious issue and it requires very serious attention. Be polite but very firm. I called the local congressional office and the Washington office today.
Directly from the national campaign for liberty:
Capitol Hill Switchboard: (202) 224-3121
"Dear Senator/Representative:
You MUST reject the Paulson/Bernanke plan for bailing out and propping up reckless banks at taxpayer expense. This is madness to ask us, the taxpayers, to cover the liabilities of Wall Street. We are tired of being fleeced. If you vote to support this plan, I will do everything in my power to remove you from office before you can give away any more of our money to failed businessmen.
Thank you, [Your name]"

Find Representative contact info:
www.house.gov...

Find Senator contact info:
www.senate.gov...


please feel free to start your own thread on this...very important




posted on Sep, 25 2008 @ 10:32 AM
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Just to show you what the U.S military is capable off.. citizens stand no chance againts that... with puny rifles.. the only way I can see that its possible if A: a good portion of Army marines stage a coup.. and B if an outside super power were to lend citizens a hand just like france did back in the day..(ruski?) me personally I beleive in starting new somewhere else.. a new comminity based not on money but on helping each other.. a self sufficient community that is high tech and pollution free.. and a REAL democracy where the people completly control the goverment ! just like old greece!! we need to just start looking for land mass that is not claimed or where goverments will never interfere and start anew.. forget about revolution its probaly too late.. unless scenario a or b plays out..



posted on Sep, 25 2008 @ 10:39 AM
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Time time for revolution has came and gone, the powers that be used the emotions of the masses to blind us from what was really going on. The "Turning Point" was passed decades ago.

What can we do? Hold on. We are in for a ride that we have zero control over.



posted on Sep, 25 2008 @ 12:07 PM
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oh come on, your military is very advanced and well funded but it is not the force you have been programmed to believe it is on discovery channel.
all that might and tech and it has performed very miserably against a more or less non existent armed force in the middle east. Americans as a people are
without doubt the most heavily armed force on the planet.

[edit on 25-9-2008 by jay michael]



posted on Sep, 25 2008 @ 12:10 PM
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A call to action -

What our relatives did not to long ago was march on capitol hill not with arms but with petitions,

Look at the womens rights movements....

Look at the civil rights movements.....

When people want change they act without violence but come together in numbers...

I propose we start the petition again and begin an impeachment process with stern legal investigation of every U.S senator and Congressmen even the new candidates for the Presidency and remove them by right of assertion.

Read the bills that have been passed, everyone of them in the last decade all have come thru on due process for selfish and greedy bylines.

Corruption didn't start now and not even decades ago in this country it has been here all along.

All we need is a DATE like 11/04/2008 to rush on capitol hill in washington with petition boards, and we need to become unilateral just as they have in our decision making by first impowering the old supreme court justices to place justice back into the system. To have the Supreme Court on our side would serve as a measurable check against congress as far as power is concerned!

and the first line of defense against this atrocity will be to establish a moral obligatory agency at the heart of our political system, that will be responsible for the moral/ethical investigation of all senator and congressmen actions. NEXT the utter removal of the presidential position in government with a complete dispensation of the two party electoral system. This will destroy control on both fronts once and for all and give power back to the lower classes. Lastly the purging of every secret society and its members ripping them out of public service like a cancer. Their collaborative efforts have made greed grow like wildfire!!!!

LETS SET A DATE!!!!!!! numbers are the game and too have more of us is how you play it! look back to every social movement in this country, it took protests on the streets of washington, thats all and look at the effects its has had today!

We are humans with lives just like they are but somehow this has become irrelevant to them! Power has soaked their heads in a green goo called money and now they are even blinded.

Intervention needs legs that can walk on the HILL and we have them.

Im in florida, and i can fit at least 3 in my car! who is coming with me!!!!!!!!!????????????



posted on Sep, 25 2008 @ 01:36 PM
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Think of how many countries around the world hate america. We can get outside military help from every continent on the planet. Several countries in south and central america, hugo chavez isnt fond of america. RUSSIA could lend support, every country in the middle east must be itching to stop america.

We have more support than we give ourselves credit for.

I think that we can start the revolution from ATS, I know people think that is crazy but think of what this place is thousands of like minded thinkers wanting a change. This place can be a great tool for us if we choose to use it. We have members here from all over the nation, if we just band together and spread out we can have a pretty big political activist group, bigger than most if we work hard.

we have a militia of 8,000 strong right here on ATS. Isnt it about time that we stopped arguing and talking about change and how badly we need it isnt it time that we did something for the change that we all crave and desire above all else?



posted on Sep, 25 2008 @ 01:38 PM
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Sos no disrespect intended but seriously you have your head so far up your @ss you dont have a clue whats going on. How detached are you from reality?

Are the Rothschilds , Rockefellers figments of imagination? Please do some research on them. Heres a quick summary

They own your government, they run the show from behind the scenes. Everything that is happening is for their purposes - from stock crashes (Amero), wars in Europe ( Military Globalisation, Control Of Oil Producing Countries), They dont care about the people, they want depopulation, dont care what they have to do because the ends justify their means (One World Government), ..............
Actually I could do a thread on just the summary. Please if you have the time have a read of my thread and watch all the video before you attack me. Sorry to the OP I do not want to detract from your thread but I think Sos should watch that video.

Oh and to all those posters saying that people dont know how good they have it. Your right of course however is it not ok to be grateful for what you have and making what you do have the best it can possibly be?



posted on Sep, 25 2008 @ 01:42 PM
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We do need a reovlution, non violent if at all possible. More like a moral revolution. But it would be our Third..as the War of 1812 Era is considered our Second Revolution as it marked the first time America was truly independent in the economic and military realms.



posted on Sep, 25 2008 @ 01:49 PM
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Originally posted by Donoso
I can't take it anymore, I'm going to have to post in this thread before my head explodes. If I read one more person's post about how "it's time" to start a revolution, I don't think I'll be able to hold my bladder any longer. We live in an age of global food chains. Do you honestly believe you're going to "start" anything by sitting on your collective asses spewing out nonsense? Do you honestly believe that this country is in dire need of dismantling and reconstruction? Do you folks have any idea how impossibly difficult it was to fight the British back in the 1700's? Do you have any idea how ludicrously asinine it'd be to revolt today? What are you going to do when the military turns on you?

It's not rifles against rifles anymore.

It's handguns against fully automatics, tanks, APC's, helicopters, airplanes, artillery, and global surveillance.

You also forget that the moment you enter yourself into a terrorist organization (yes, that's what you'll be labeled as) your means of travel are going to be very limited. Do you have any idea how large this country is?

Dream on, go back to listening to RAGE AGAINST THE MACHINE.


Your right maybe we should all just roll over and listen to whatever b brother tells us to do just because its easier that way.

Grow a pair and look at the way things are really look at the world and tell me everythings ok.

You must be an idiot if you think that everything is as good as it can be, let me tell you things could be so much better. We could be so much more advanced, people in third world countries wouldnt have to starve to death or sell their children as slaves or prostitues, we wouldnt be fighting some ridiculous war for personal gain by a few elites who want to make some more money.

We Need Change. If you cant see that then you are still under their control, if you say that a revolution wont change anything then you are playing into their little game. It isnt us that will change the world its the idea of change that will change the world. If we think we need change then we do need change, and if they wont let us change as we see fit then we need to fight for that change.



posted on Sep, 25 2008 @ 02:13 PM
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Originally posted by flyingwoody
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Don't tell me that I know nothing of the world, I have eyes, I can see what is going on in the world. I, for one, actually look at news stories and form my own opinions about them.


Okay, watching and reading the news will give you a little information. It will give you what the media outlet presenting the news to you wants you see and read. There's no telling what facts you're missing about a story by just reading one side of it.

But just reading news doesn't give you any kind of insight into the goings on around you, let alone the entire world, unless you get out there and experience it.



I won't join the military because I choose not to die for a cause I don't support. I don't get on a campaign trail because, besides Ron Paul, I don't support any of the candidates. And I do more in my community than you know, so don't make assumptions about how I live my life. I am not some internet fan-boy as you seem to assume. And we all know what they say about assuming something.


Actually you say more about yourself each time you talk. First, you assume that joining the military right now means you join because you support the war in Iraq or you support the Bush Administration.

But you've got that all wrong. You join the military because you want to serve your country. You join because you see that the armed forces are a good way to get an education and in return you serve the United States with that knowledge - a win, win situation for all. You go in a punk, basically, and if you take the lessons of boot camp to heart you emerge a man because you get some sense of duty, discipline, honor and courage. And yes, that means you may be deployed to a combat situation.



This is a public message board for people's opinions, courtesy is expected.


Then I expect you to remember the same before you go spouting off that this country needs a revolution, especially when you don't know **** about the real world and aren't personally willing to do **** about it yourself.



posted on Sep, 25 2008 @ 02:18 PM
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As long as no one seems to be able to find a common ground, nothing is ever gonna happen, but endless bickering.

- Ah we bend over now - we have no chance.

- We need to make a peaceful protest.

- We have our guns and will defend ourselves at any cost.

So right now it seems - DIVIDED we fall (FAIL).

To the people with the first opinion, I don't think the world would just sit and watch it happen.

To the second group, I hope you'll be within the free speech zones, outlined by TPTB, else you might be hit by multiple "non lethal" weapons and simply "vanish", without anyone noticing it.

TPTB would not be able to survive the wrath of the world, if they start mass killings, even the streamlined MSM wouldn't be able to hide it.

To me it seems US is a proving ground for whatever is on the world "agenda". With US down and conforming, the rest of the world should be "a piece of cake".



posted on Sep, 25 2008 @ 02:20 PM
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Originally posted by kcfusion
reply to post by sos37
 


Sos no disrespect intended but seriously you have your head so far up your @ss you dont have a clue whats going on. How detached are you from reality?

Are the Rothschilds , Rockefellers figments of imagination? Please do some research on them. Heres a quick summary

They own your government, they run the show from behind the scenes. Everything that is happening is for their purposes - from stock crashes (Amero), wars in Europe ( Military Globalisation, Control Of Oil Producing Countries), They dont care about the people, they want depopulation, dont care what they have to do because the ends justify their means (One World Government), ..............
Actually I could do a thread on just the summary. Please if you have the time have a read of my thread and watch all the video before you attack me. Sorry to the OP I do not want to detract from your thread but I think Sos should watch that video.

Oh and to all those posters saying that people dont know how good they have it. Your right of course however is it not ok to be grateful for what you have and making what you do have the best it can possibly be?


Wait a sec, "your" government? So you're not from the U.S.? I'm quite aware of the hedge funds and people on them that hand pick the influencial figures behind our government, thank you. But please, do a thread on just the summary like you said. I'd love to read about it.

I'm also aware that the two-party system is broken and will be until the end of time because almost every proposal is debated and filibustered until it dies. It's amazing that Congress and the POTUS gets anything passed.

But we don't need a revolution to end this cycle, we need registered voters to quit being sheep and accept that there are alternatives to Democrats and Republicans and give the other parties a real chance to make their case and the media needs to butt the hell out. Right now there are four alternatives to the two parties, but lets be realistic - only one of the two major parties is going to get the majority of votes because the media has done its damndest not to cover anyone else the last year and a half.



posted on Sep, 25 2008 @ 02:48 PM
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Originally posted by truth_seeker3
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we do need a leader for which we can look for and base our understanding on and lay our trust in what ever direction we may go.



I would have to disagree with you here. I don't need a shepherd to lead me because I'm not a sheep! Sorry.... But I think everything else you've expressed is great!


[edit on 9/25/2008 by XcLuciFer]



posted on Sep, 25 2008 @ 03:01 PM
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i believe the military would join the revolution. most americans that enlist are poor and would join because their family might be apart of the revolution



posted on Sep, 25 2008 @ 03:36 PM
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No I'm not from America but I have been following things very closely because what is going on at the moment has dire implications for the entire world! I completely agree with you. The approach you talk about would most certainly have been the most effective way to change things for the future. However I am afraid the next four years is too long to wait for people to get the message. I believe the next 4 years are crucial to the plans of the Elite. I fear the net is closing for the American people. So when that net falls what are people going to do?

Forgive me I realise now that you were flaming at the idea of revolution and not blind to what is really going on


[edit on 25-9-2008 by kcfusion]



posted on Sep, 25 2008 @ 04:44 PM
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anyone in philadelphia let me know. my emial is christopher.vonholland@gmail.com. theres protests starting tonight and lots saturday. theres anohter link to them. weekend protests, lets bother the state reps and such. Not like were doing anything real important on weekends (even though im a huge football fan, football is NOT the important thing right now)

im down to meet up, PLAN ACTION etc. I know people who will help. Im a charismatic individual with a high IQ, as well as athletic, and trained in martial arts.
i think we should:

educate citizenry on basic war tactics, soldier manuvers
be educated on Ghandi's peaceful protests
figure out which organizations to boycott.
raise public awareness about the amero
put up sites listing in plain, "sheep" english how and why the Fed and the new bills are against the constitution.

also, i suck on the internet, and i know we cannot do it here. but if anyone wants to make a website or a communication realm (itll be hacked bythe govt after a bit, we gotta figure out something else) itll be good.

smart people welcome! please flood my inbox with emails! first protest in philadelphia on 6th and market. send me an email i might have a meeting at cabrini college around 11 am.



posted on Sep, 25 2008 @ 04:49 PM
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I am asked to lead this Rebolution I promise I will never Tax Beer! And Football will have a fall and spring seasons! Professional Wrestling will be abolished as will the wmba. No more Democrats No more Replublicans. We will be all americans and I will be The Grand Poba!!



posted on Sep, 25 2008 @ 05:10 PM
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Okay, long post, there are a lot of things, people want to know, and think they know, but I want to get it out here to and answer all your comments....

southern_Guardian:

This revolution thing is all "hype" from desperate voters who are need for something "big" to happen. What those who are shouting "revolution" everywhere realize is that a revolution does not start with "hype" or just "talk", revolution comes about when people actually stand up in the face of oppression.


Yes, Revolution comes from when people act, that's why we NEED to act. I participated on the March on the Xcel Energy Center in my Hometown, St. Paul... Luckily I was not arrested, such as many of my friends, that is what also inspired me to come out about this, that convention too. I actively write to my local senator, US Reps, and Senators about a wide variety of things. That is why I am acting, and I encourage others to do so.

I have come out and said we need a Revolution, and I have started to define a Revolution. Revolutions are violent sometimes, but they have humble beginnings. If one person starts, then another, and so on. Revolutions start peaceful. Write to your senator, talk to local neighbors and friends about the system we live in, write letters to high politicians, talk to local police chiefs, and most of all... Run for a Office, you will be surprised.

Donoso


I can't take it anymore, I'm going to have to post in this thread before my head explodes. If I read one more person's post about how "it's time" to start a revolution, I don't think I'll be able to hold my bladder any longer. We live in an age of global food chains. Do you honestly believe you're going to "start" anything by sitting on your collective asses spewing out nonsense? Do you honestly believe that this country is in dire need of dismantling and reconstruction? Do you folks have any idea how impossibly difficult it was to fight the British back in the 1700's? Do you have any idea how ludicrously asinine it'd be to revolt today? What are you going to do when the military turns on you?

It's not rifles against rifles anymore.

It's handguns against fully automatics, tanks, APC's, helicopters, airplanes, artillery, and global surveillance.

You also forget that the moment you enter yourself into a terrorist organization (yes, that's what you'll be labeled as) your means of travel are going to be very limited. Do you have any idea how large this country is?

Dream on, go back to listening to RAGE AGAINST THE MACHINE.


Yes, I'll be labeled a terrorist, a domestic terrorist, but you know what? It's all part of the system got it, limiting free speech. Actually, if they inhibit my free speech, and they try to cough it up as evidence, I am want to talk about my RIGHT to free speech and my RIGHT to talk about it.

Yes, were up against tanks, RPGs, and highly advanced warfare, but who knows, it might lead more to our support if our cause is more known. They will kill us, torture us, but it is for the CAUSE! Liberty, freedom, and our natural rights.

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness."

Anyone tell me what that is?
It was written by Thomas Jefferson in our Preamble to the Declaration of Independence.

"All Men are Created Equal"
"...certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness..."

Is this what our forefathers proposed? A State where you cannot speak out against the rulers that have ultimate control.

NO

They did not, they founded this Great Nation in the Second Continental Congress in Philadelphia. They formed it under the pretense that "it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it"!

Once our politicans realize their history, they will understand. History is one of the most vauable tools as reformers.

And THANK YOU midnightbrigade for mentioning that.


Great tips. We've paid off the credit cards, don't have a car payment, and we try to grow our own food.
I harrass my elected officials constantly. (Senator Blanche Lincoln, D-Ar, never answers her mail, therefore I will actively campaign against her when she comes up for election. Besides, she's been in there too long.)
But I have one question? What do you mean by a "real job?" I make my living in health care, and that is all I have ever done.
I would make another suggestion to add to your list. Learn how to recycle. Use everything until it is completely worn out!
I would suggest learning how to do your own car repair, but the darn things are so complicated that most of us would be at a total loss to figure them out.


Thanks You! What I mean by a real job, sorry, it is a term I use often within my family and friends, it means that it is not a 'punch-in, punch-out' job, a job where it requires you to work your share, and complete something meaningful to the community.

thefreepatriot:

See my point above for Donoso

XcLuciFer:

Thanks for mentioning that, it needs clarification,

What I mean, is we need someone, or a group of people, or at least a idea that we can trust in so we can at least agree on basic principles on which to live by. We need leaders to step up and make more moral and ethical choices, but also intelligent.




I'll come back for some more, but until then...

Remeber:

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.




truth_seeker3



posted on Sep, 25 2008 @ 06:53 PM
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I never said I only read one side of the story. I make sure to educate myself on all sides of the story, and yes the media leaves some things out, which is where I put in my own speculation.

I DO know that not everyone who joins the military is in support of the war but in a time of war I choose not to join because I don't support the war of the time. Also, I know many people who have gone into the military and a lot of them come out of training like an obedient dog. I mean no disrespect to the troops when I say that, I am only referring to the routine the training builds into you.

And I have already stated that I am willing to do something to help the cause so don't even try to tell me I'm not doing anything. I try to get people to look at things from a different viewpoint than the one spoon fed by the media, I am willing to protest whenever there is one nearby, I am not afraid to fight.

I know more about what is going on than you seem to think. I have spent times on the streets of my city, I come from a lower-middle class background, I see the plight of many Americans. I suggest that you go and spend some time living on the streets and see if you don't think that this system is screwed up and we need a change.



posted on Sep, 25 2008 @ 07:00 PM
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Originally posted by Anonymous ATS
... you will see lots of americans being gunned down in the street by the military. No laws will get in the way of the ruling elite to keep control.


Unfortunatly you are correct. There will be blood in the streets.





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