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The Second American Revolution: Turning Point

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posted on Sep, 23 2008 @ 07:19 PM
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The New American Revolution

As many of you realize, the threads on government hostility such as outlawing homeschooling, gun control, and personal liberties are being eliminated very quickly. I less than five minutes there were a dozen threads in this. People want CHANGE. I can see it, everyone does.

America does not need CHANGE. It needs a REVOLUTION. Have you ever looked up the definition of revolution?

Lets take a short history lesson..... Lets whisk ourselves to 1765.

The 7 Years War with France had just ended, the British Empire was heavily in debt because of one of the first world-scale wars had ravaged them. In the colonies, it is referred to by the French-Indian War. Mass. had lost a fifth of its male population and New France was destroyed.

England, eager to start paying off some of the, decided to have the colonists pay for their share of the war. In a short discussion, the Parliament made a small decision to increase the tax of molasses from 3 pence to 6 pence.

The outrage that was to follow was never expected. American's came out in full force of having to pay a tax. One of the main reason was because they were not represented in Parliament, thus, the famous saying, "No Taxation without Representation!"

The other was the term "Mother". The aristocracy in the colonies wanted to be treated as equals to the British. With this taxing, it was obvious that they were not British Citizens, but British Subject. Lesser. They were unhappy for the reason, they wanted their personal liberties back.

Thus the revolution was born.

Revolution: A revolution (from the Latin revolutio, "a turnaround") is a fundamental change in power or organizational structures that takes place in a relatively short period of time. Aristotle described two types of political revolution:

1. Complete change from one constitution to another
2. Modification of an existing constitution. (Wikipedia)

I put the start of the Revolution in 1765 and the outcome in 1776 withe the Declaration of Independence, the rest was the War for Independence.

The Tea Act of 1773. The greatest unity of Americans ever. Can you convince someone NOT to buy a product because it was brought from somewhere else, where it is exactly the same and cheaper? Much less an entire nation. The boycotting was the greatest unity ever. For American's to take charge and say, "We shall not buy this tea even if it is cheaper, it has a British Tax on it!"

11 years changed a infinite amount of generations. What are we?

Do you believe yourself represented in Congress?
Do you feel your personal liberties taken?
Do you feel yourself not in charge?

The Second American Revolution. This is the Turning Point. Will it be for the current Regime or for the People? Will it be the benefit for the common man? What is coming?

If the Second American Revolution fails, we will see why 2008 will be like "1984"






Edit to Add:

www.yahoo.com:

The top 5 stories:
• FBI investigating companies at heart of financial meltdown
• Berkshire Hathaway to invest $5 billion in Goldman Sachs
• Iran's president says 'American empire' near collapse
• Palin meets her first world leaders in NYC
• Winter, repairs stall use of huge atom smasher until spring

What is wrong with this picture?

Key Words:
-"Financial Meltdown", "5 Billion", "Goldman Sachs", "'American empire' near collapse", "first world leaders", "repairs", "huge atom smasher"

What is this coming too? Is there anymore doubt on WHY we need a Revolution...

Not Any Revolution, THE REVOLUTION


[edit on 23-9-2008 by truth_seeker3]




posted on Sep, 23 2008 @ 07:38 PM
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I wonder what it would take to get most Americans off their butts and really start a revolution. While some things may have changed, some things never do.

The people quoted below are national heroes, yet had they failed, what would we call them ?

They wrote and created this government. They all faced the same things we are facing today. (well politically anyway) They knew what they were doing or it may have been the Grace of God, but somehow we let it go horribly wrong.

Thomas Jefferson is known to have said periodic revolution was necessary to remove the excesses, corruption, and­– yes–­ violation of rights that tend to show up in government. The quote often attributed to him goes, “we need a revolution every 75 years because that is how long it takes for it to become so bad that it can’t be corrected.”

While signing the Declaration of Independence in 1776, Benjamin Franklin made the remark "We must, indeed, all hang together, or most assuredly we shall all hang separately."

They were as unhappy as most of us are today but they did something about it. We couldn't get that organized if we tried I am afraid.



posted on Sep, 23 2008 @ 07:46 PM
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Thomas Jefferson is known to have said periodic revolution was necessary to remove the excesses, corruption, and­– yes–­ violation of rights that tend to show up in government. The quote often attributed to him goes, “we need a revolution every 75 years because that is how long it takes for it to become so bad that it can’t be corrected.”


True, a true government is not a mob rule. Mob mentality is needed to uproot government and put them in their right place. Mobs and anarchy are needed even if they say not. Did you know how the American's got the Brits attention?

They burned and sacked the governors house (Thomas Hutchinson) , forced the taxers and stamp distributes to resign and hung 'vodoo' dolls of them on the Liberty Tree.

Samuel Adams is my hero, and he is who I will model.



posted on Sep, 23 2008 @ 07:50 PM
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I fully agree that we need a revolution. I am tire of sitting around waiting. We need to take action. Even if it's a small group and we lose out, at least our actions will be noted and hopefully it will inspire more people to rise up and awaken. America was once a dreamland full of hope and wonder. Now it has become a jail.

We must rise up. I am in Florida and am willing to do anything needed that I am able to. I think ATS is a great place to get it started. We should start it right here.



posted on Sep, 23 2008 @ 07:55 PM
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Originally posted by flyingwoody


We must rise up. I am in Florida and am willing to do anything needed that I am able to. I think ATS is a great place to get it started. We should start it right here.


Agreed, I am all for it too, (remember T&C www.abovetopsecret.com...), but even small will do, as long as your message is extremely clear, you don't kill anyone, and you infiltrate the media, your set. That is why I am studying to become a dreaded political, so I can change it.

[edit on 23-9-2008 by truth_seeker3]



posted on Sep, 23 2008 @ 07:59 PM
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Ok well apparently we can't start it here. But I really do feel that ATSers are the perfect "core group". We really should start something, but not on ATS because that's against T&C



posted on Sep, 23 2008 @ 08:04 PM
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Yes, that is disappointing, but it will not let me down!... We cannot group here, or conspire to, but I will post guidelines on what YOU CAN do to help start this revolution:

1. Do not use credit cards, pay up front
2. Grow your own food
3. Get a 'Real' job
4. Constantly write to your congressmen(women) about everything, and I mean everything
5. Talk about revolution everywhere, nothing violent, but everywhere, on how to do it, and why
6. Constantly email high level politicians so their secretaries can read them
7. Share these and others with friends/families and others!

Remember, be responsible, and do not use ATS to group of any sort. I also open to hearing your tips and ideas!



posted on Sep, 23 2008 @ 08:06 PM
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Originally posted by seejanerun
I wonder what it would take to get most Americans off their butts and really start a revolution. While some things may have changed, some things never do.

They were as unhappy as most of us are today but they did something about it. We couldn't get that organized if we tried I am afraid.


Thats the 2 things... I will address both how I see it..

the 1st part above.. What would it take...

There is tv, makes us stupid, retarded, whatever.. They have crap on people want to see.. They take away football, britney spears, American idol and beer.. We will have riots in the streets.. Ya i aint joking... I literally believe that...

2nd part...

There is something called a hero.. Each time some crap happened someone stepped up..

1960's JFK, MLK, and RFK..

Today we have nobody to step up.. Nobody was the balls to die for the right thing.. We all bitch and scream yes.. But who is willing to be the 1st to become that 1 hero we all desperately need?

I am to much of a pussy, I am sure the rest are also here.. Or we wouldn't be bitching and screaming about this.. We would be active and such...

It all comes down to who has it to become the dead one... For in the end the hero is the one who falls...



posted on Sep, 23 2008 @ 08:10 PM
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Yes! Our nation needs a icon, a reformer, a person which we can all agree upon to take us in SOME direction. We need someone who will answer the call and wake up America, and tell them what is happening.

That person is NOT Barak Obama
That person is NOT John McCain
That Person is YOU!

If you do not tell someone, who will.
If you do not tell someone, that is one less person for the cause

It is a terrible deed not to spread truth.

On the other hand, we do need a leader for which we can look for and base our understanding on and lay our trust in what ever direction we may go.



posted on Sep, 23 2008 @ 08:30 PM
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Originally posted by truth_seeker3

If you do not tell someone, who will.
If you do not tell someone, that is one less person for the cause

It is a terrible deed not to spread truth.


I tell people but we see how people think of people who question government..

You should watch that show Penn and Teller did called "Bull$hit", the did an episode on conspiracies made everyone who talked about 9/11 or JFK look like a complete loon ..

So us telling things to people look at us like we are wacked out.. No matter how bad the chains of the government are...

But I do talk to people about this..

I got a post for you to see I will PM it to you.. or U2U it..



posted on Sep, 23 2008 @ 08:32 PM
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I used to like Penn and Teller until that bit. I'll take their old shtick any day. Yelling profanities never helps your cause.



posted on Sep, 23 2008 @ 08:55 PM
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What you need to do is gather as communitees and bring your greevances to the nearest military generals attention. Trust me, a lot of soldiers are waiting for orders, but public support needs to come first.



posted on Sep, 23 2008 @ 09:02 PM
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You know, we aren't the first ones to point out the flaws in society and suggest change by the hands of the people...

www.youtube.com...




posted on Sep, 23 2008 @ 09:08 PM
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Yes, mentioning those names, I would really just want to sit with them and for them to try to make me look like a fool. I would tear them apart on EVERYTHING. The only reason why I am not convinced more people is because I am holding back, or else I would have NO friends whatsover. If I really used my debate skill, I would have nobody to fall back onto to bounce my ideas onto


That's a good thing to have, someone to debate ideologies with... That's a different topic.

I just fell back onto my old AP US History book that I used in high school and re-read the section since I was doing a paper on the Revolution. I finally realized what is our problem...

In New England, they end many Town Meetings to make decisions and elect officers. We do not have that anymore, and that is what made the difference. I think this country would be a different place if everyone could at least had the chance to say something if they wanted too....



posted on Sep, 23 2008 @ 09:22 PM
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I, personally, think that before it's all over we're going to have to resort to violence. The PTB aren't going to give up their power so easily. I think we should start peaceful for awhile but if still nothing changes we should use our powers of citizen's arrest and administer justice.

I would gladly be a martyr for the cause but unfortunately I don't know enough about all the important topics just yet. That, and people tend to not look up to someone who is younger than they are.



posted on Sep, 23 2008 @ 09:31 PM
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what would happen if someone decided to place a beer tax? my posts would instantly become 500% more coherent.

"the revolution will not be televised."



posted on Sep, 23 2008 @ 09:33 PM
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I'm pretty sure the main reason for the revolutionary war was because of monetary policy. The founding fathers understood exactly what a central bank was. And how it steals the wealth. And it did steal alot of the wealth of the colonies. And in response the British government just kept coming down harder and harder until it got to the point where many people were upset.

Which is pretty similar to whats going on today really. There are alot of us who have been pointing out the scam of the federal reserve for awhile. And it didn't really get anywhere. Now they are starting to come down more and more, and now many people are getting upset.



posted on Sep, 23 2008 @ 09:37 PM
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It is in my opinion, that when politics switches from an act of public service to a career is when things go downhill. The early presidents and representatives won (earned) their roles based on how they led their businesses, estates and personal lives. These guys were well established in their communities before being elected, and had to go back to their lives after the fact. Being an elected official wasn't something they were groomed from birth to become.



posted on Sep, 23 2008 @ 09:43 PM
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Originally posted by badmedia
I'm pretty sure the main reason for the revolutionary war was because of monetary policy. ...

Yes, I'm sure it had NOTHING to do with the reasons THEY OUTLINED IN THE DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE.


Do people even think before they post?

Edit to add:

Be careful how you answer in


threads like this. Big Brother


has ears, you know!



[edit on 23-9-2008 by sir_chancealot]



posted on Sep, 24 2008 @ 06:20 AM
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Originally posted by flyingwoody
I, personally, think that before it's all over we're going to have to resort to violence. The PTB aren't going to give up their power so easily. I think we should start peaceful for awhile but if still nothing changes we should use our powers of citizen's arrest and administer justice.

I would gladly be a martyr for the cause but unfortunately I don't know enough about all the important topics just yet. That, and people tend to not look up to someone who is younger than they are.


i hear guantanamo bay is lovely at this time of year. seriously the way youve worded this could easily been seen as a terrorist making a threat and we all know the US governments attitude when it comes to suspected terrorists. shoot first ask questions never. so yeah id probably just watch how you word your posts



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