Artifact from Atlantis?

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so anyways, l mentioned it was probly a bad exmple I had there. But I did find that square relief is called the "classic greek key pattern"



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fwiw, there have been speculation native americans are asian in origin. Asian civilizations are the most ancient. Maybe the asian settlers brought it with them when they fled some kind of prehistoric natural disaster

I see fertility images, personally. On the second picture the bottom part of the design appears to be phallic. Interestingly too, there appears to be a fleur-de-lis within it, a very ancient symbol found in many cultures. They eyes outside it, I'm not sure. But It'd also say the flame of the candle isn't a flame at all, but rather a vagina. Between them appear to be wings.

It does look like a temple incense burner, where the opening in the base allows air the incense to burn. Indo China perhaps. How long does it take to get the green patina underwater? Any archeologists care to chime in.

I would guess being in the antiques field that it dates from around the 18th century. Still quite nice, and if I had to put a value I would say at least 5k. But that is just my slightly educated guess.

When you tap it does it make a metallic noise, or a thump?
Try scratching the bottom, does paint flake of, or metal?
If metal, is it soft or fiarly dense?
What color is the revealed matierial?
Compare it to cheapo art deco stuff, and stuff you find at furniture stores, how similar/ contrasting are they?
What written records exist of the artifact? One man's word is a good story, a journal, a log, a picture, some kinda datable evidence starts a discovery.

I was going to mention that that motif looks Greek to me...or maybe Minoan...were there stylised doolphins that I saw....and a stylised bull?...or maybe it's another hoax?....easy to hoax with no 'provenance' as such...


oh, and in the first picture it looks like a packet of cigarettes.
Maybe it's an oversized lighter?

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in page 311 there is this chapter called Forbidden Archaeology by Michael A. Cremo , and it tells some of the things museums do in order to preserve the current state of things, in that chapter they mention the work of Virginia Steen-McIntyre, who found some amazing artifacts in Mexico that by all means should not have existed, arrowheads, stoneworks, and the like, well, by means of the embassy I had the opportunity to speak to some people working there and they confirmed that whatever odd stuff they or anyone with permit find, if its unclassified or odd, gets put in some wooden boxes and left to rot ´till the end of time, or until the cue of items awaiting categorization gets to them, they also told me that lots of museums do that on a regular basis.

so if that happens with arrowheads and stone grinds, imagine what happens with big artifacts like the one in the picture...

I'm sure it isn't Mayan at all, but asian in origin...
don't take it to official sources to date, use independent researchers, I'm sure you'll find plenty asking around at the local campus...

[edit on 24-9-2008 by TheOneEyedProphet]

The face looks like the Green Man to me. Try doing a Google search for pictures. Otherwise the rest looks Mayan. Odd.

That square can be seen in circle form too, which comes from Atlantis, but I can't say whether or not the thing itself is.

A lot of megalithic sites have that circle which marks Atlantis.

Newgrange

In the movie Hancock they show it too.

2008 Olympics

That marks from Atlantis.




[edit on 23-9-2008 by Shawn B.]

The triple spiral is Celtic in origin unless you have compelling evidence of a pre celtic culture called Atlantis. I am pretty sure the vase/urn/jardinaire is made out of bronze because I zoomed in on one of the pictures. It was lost at sea so it could have been over at least 350-400 years that it was deposited on the ocean floor. Maybe earlier. Still looking....

The vase, jardinaire

Let's compare some bronze vases I found with this item.
OP:



I found these ones called "shang-style bronze gu":

that seems correct, it has many details that to me point out a Chinese origin.

its beautiful none the less, and would be very interesting to know more about it.

The black finish on it, which is why I thought more recent origin. However, it could also have been from fire, and without being able to see it up close no way to really tell.

Great find Skyfloating, just great!

I believe your 'meditation/visualisation' on Atlantis IS relevant to this. Synchronicity works in wonderful ways. Perhaps your higher self was preparing you for this find?

Personally, it just screams ancient to me. I can't say why though. It is exactly as i would picture an Atlantean relic, which makes me worry that it is a fake, but also fills me with a strange connection to the object.

But my two cents is that if it was found off the Florida coast then it is certainly in the right part of the world - some kind of ancient as-yet undiscovered culture seemed to have been there at one point.

What about the Itzas? They were the Mayans' predecessors and not much is known of them.

According to Mayan shaman/preist, Hunbatz Men, (whose family was one of a small many responsbile for passing down the secret history of the Mayan throughout history) the Itzas came directly from Atlantis and were responsible for the building of most of the Mayans' major cities, their calenders, as well as the Crystal Skulls and more.

Do we know much about Itzas relics? Do the styles match?

I love this find though - great stuff!

As mentioned before, no way to give a real good examination unless you can hold it. It does appear to be a bronze casting. It also appears that it has a upper chamber and lower chamber. To me, the flame design on the side is showing you what it is.

My guess would be it is some type of lantern. The upper chamber being for the flame, and the lower chamber for storage of a flammable, maybe oil of some type. I wish there was a picture looking straight down from the top, if it were a lantern you would expect to see a hole where the wick would go.

No way to tell if it was used for light, or maybe "Cooking" something that would sit on the top. There is, however remote, a possibility that reside may still exist somewhere on it that can be tested. Being a casting as I suspect would leave a very porous surface and plenty of places to find reside.

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There is no way to determine if it is native to the location it was found. Since being in the ocean leaves the possibility that is was lost in a ship wreck, throw over board intentionally, or accidentally. We would have to know the circumstances of its recovery.

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cool story, but my immediate gut reaction from the pics is that it looks incredible fake. The patina looks almost painted on. I would imagine something that was in the atlanic for such a long time wouldn't be in such good shape.

Just my copper circles

Very good point. I often get caught up in the romanticism of everything Atlantis and Lemuria that i can lose site of the bigger picture.

While i will admit that the coincidence is a bit too much for me, the location could simply be that because it fell overboard on a ship.

This is a very valid point, but i also think that the other side of the coin - that it really is an ancient artifact of unknown origin from a civilization living near the Gulf of Mexico region - also remains a distinct possibility

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To me it looks like a traditional Chinese bronze object, an elongated vase on a pedestal, tho it has a weird form--as they often do--and is almost certainly upside-down. The three blades as feet are rather common; here's an illustration:



If it is truly old and the history or provenance is correct, then it should NOT be cleaned; leave the patina alone, otherwise the object's value will be largely destroyed.

Hope this helps; I'd recommend contacting a dealer or auction house specializing in the sale of Chinese art and bronzes for more information to start.

[edit on 24-9-2008 by gottago]

You ATSers are fabulous researchers! Im starring all of your posts.

Im taking some of your questions to the owner.

[edit on 24-9-2008 by Skyfloating]