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Homeschooling Banned in California as State Turns Parents Into Criminals for Teaching Their Own Chil

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posted on Sep, 24 2008 @ 06:06 AM
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That is part of no child left behind the Obama and the left wants to get rid off. People who homeschool get a 2500 credit to buy school supplies and books, if you go to a public school then the goverment gets that cash. Democrats want all the cash they can get for all there be whoever you want to be programs even at the expense of our childs education. It happening here in Alaska. Begiegch or Begbitch however you want to pronounce it, wants to get rid of no child left behind up here too.




posted on Sep, 24 2008 @ 06:20 AM
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Apologies in advance if my reply to you offends...

Your example of your own homeschooling shows, to borrow a recent term, "epic fail."

First. The teacher. By your own words, "a mentally ill, incompetent, psychotic mother who never had two shreds of common sense," with "nothing more than a basic high school education." Five very good reasons for her not to have attempted to home school you.

Second. The Government. For allowing such a failure to happen.

Now please, this isn't a personal attack, so calm down.

I merely point out using an example provided that shows homeschooling can not be done by just anyone.

However, there is also plenty of evidence that shows without a doubt that, some of which you can find even in this thread already, that homeschooling can be taught by parents with a "basic high school education."

There are many flaws to the public education system, there are significantly less flaws with home schooling. However, I think both ought to be combined in better, more effective ways. Right now it seems that home schooling can turn out quality education more often than public schooling can.



posted on Sep, 24 2008 @ 06:36 AM
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This may have been mentioned before, but California schools have a 24% drop out rate. Why on earth would they be worried about a tiny minority of home schooled kids that can pass state exams, and NOT focus on the full QUARTER of students that do not graduate high school?

I would bet a good percentage of those drop outs cannot read and will NEVER be able to get a decent job as a result, many of them will become a lifelong burden on society yet that does NOT worry that State of California?

Makes no sense. Or maybe it does.

[edit on 24-9-2008 by Sonya610]



posted on Sep, 24 2008 @ 06:41 AM
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You know nothing of what you are trying to peddle. Ignorance is your best friend, I'm sure.


Ignorance? Are you ignorant to the fact that using the exception to define the rule is a logical fallacy?

The numbers speak for themselves. On the average homeschooled kids score in the 80th percentile, public schooled children score in the 50s....

lol



posted on Sep, 24 2008 @ 06:42 AM
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The real central issue here is not home schooled kids, it is the corrupt court system. Someone show me where in ANY constitution the "state" has the authority to take both your money and child from you to educate them in "state" approved schools. The big fear is well educated, non-brainwashed citizens..............

The judges should be impeached.................



posted on Sep, 24 2008 @ 07:11 AM
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Yup sounds about right. Your child has no right to be smarter then the children we teach! These morons probably overlooked the statistics.



1. In 1997, a study of 5,402 homeschool students from 1,657 families was released. It was entitled, "Strengths of Their Own: Home Schoolers Across America." The study demonstrated that homeschoolers, on the average, out-performed their counterparts in the public schools by 30 to 37 percentile points in all subjects. A significant finding when analyzing the data for 8th graders was the evidence that homeschoolers who are homeschooled two or more years score substantially higher than students who have been homeschooled one year or less. The new homeschoolers were scoring on the average in the 59th percentile compared to students homeschooled the last two or more years who scored between 86th and 92nd percentile.
HSLDA


I think this is just a plan to dumb down every child in the United States. Let us teach them what they need and not what they don't.



posted on Sep, 24 2008 @ 07:38 AM
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What's this with "loyalty" to the state ? I am the state. What else is the state ?



posted on Sep, 24 2008 @ 08:08 AM
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Originally posted by ANoNyMiKE

How do you know that they aren't? This seems entirely reasonable to me, if I were a university I wouldn't accept a kid that went through high school at home getting taught whatever his parents thought were important.


Then you are ignorant to home schooling standards, they have to use material similar to schools and tests as well. I live in Michigan and have 8 children on our block that are home schooled.

There were a total of 12 and 3 of them started University of Michigan at 16 years of age because they tested so high on entrance exams and tested out of most of the 101 classes for first year, so they actually finished college at 19.

As long as a standard is followed and children are tested along the way there is nothing wrong with home school. This is a BS law.



posted on Sep, 24 2008 @ 08:10 AM
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There should be a law against all the HorseS*** that is put on TV and the media.

Our country and states can't even enforce the laws they already have.


See what is happening take away power from the government or maybe even money with vouchers for schools and they get scared and pass a law.

I think this law is against the first amendment and could be argued that way.





[edit on 24-9-2008 by Realtruth]



posted on Sep, 24 2008 @ 08:15 AM
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Originally posted by ANoNyMiKE
I were a university I wouldn't accept a kid that went through high school at home getting taught whatever his parents thought were important.

Wrong. You obviously have no idea what homeschooling is. You have no idea what tests a homeschooler has to take. Standardized tests.


Originally posted by marg6043
The difference is that home school children do better than public school ones as they don't have to deal with the crap that goes on in public schools.


ABSOLUTELY! Test scores prove this to be 100% true marg!!


Originally posted by ANoNyMiKE
Being a parent doesn't quality you to teach math or science or history,

Wrong. Everyone I know who homeschooled had at least some college. Most had at least one degree. Many had multiple degrees. Even a mom with just a high school degree is capable of teaching a child to read, write and do math problems AT LEAST until middle school level.

We homeschooled until 5th grade. My husband has two masters degrees. I have a Bachelor of Science degree in Psychology. We were VERY capable. Our daughter entered 5th grade (skipped 4th because she was 'too smart') at a 'regular' school and transitioned very well. She's well adjusted and even though she skipped a grade she is still getting all A's.


the parents seem to think it's all about them.

Wrong. The parents know it's all about the child. The child is who is important and THAT is the reason the parents homeschool. For the safety of the child. For that child's mental and physical and spiritual health. And for a MUCH better education as well.


Originally posted by ANoNyMiKE
Why is requiring formal training in education in order to be an educator a bad thing?

When educating your own children it is NOT necessary.
It's an unnecessary restriction by the gov't based on CONTROL.
It's being pushed by the NEA teachers union because they are upset about not having control over the minds of all the children and because they have to cut back on teaching jobs - which means less union dues in their bank account.

The reason the NEA pushes the notion that homeschooling is bad is ONLY because they are dealing with a loss of union dues from the teaching positions that have been lost due to large numbers of homeschoolers.

Saying that someone needs a degree in teaching to homeschool their children is nothing more than political rhetoric pushed by the (LEFT WING) NEA and their agenda.

HOMESCHOOLED CHILDREN SCORE BETTER ON STANDARDIZED TESTS THEN PUBLIC SCHOOLED CHILDREN DO. Obviously the parents are doing a better job then the so-called 'qualified' public school teachers.


Originally posted by bvproductions
I had bad asthma as a kid, and I'd miss a lot of school whenever I'd get sick. So, my Mom decided to teach me at home.

That was our motivation in homeschooling as well. Asthma and lots of sick time. We homeschooled through the early years when there is much more illness kicking around the school room. The older grades have less illness so we made the transition. It went well.


Originally posted by ANoNyMiKE
you're still evading my point and trying to justify allowing unqualified parents to educate their kids by saying the public teachers are at least as unqualified.

YOU are missing the point. Parents ARE qualified. Getting a degree in teaching in no way determines if a person is qualified to teach their children at home. The suggestion that you need a teaching degree to teach your children at home is just a red herring. TEST SCORES ARE PROOF that homeschool parents are better at teaching their children then the public school teachers.


BTW - anyone who wants to get into the so called 'lack of socialization' issue - that's bunk. Our daughter was (is) on year round swim team that meets 4 days a week. She goes to swim meets. She was on soccer. She tried gymanstics for a while. She plays with the kids in the 'hood'. She's got a bunch of friends and socializes very well. So do all the other home schooled kids we know. The 'socialization card' is bunk.



posted on Sep, 24 2008 @ 08:26 AM
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Yo, Mike.

Showing you how you are wrong on this issue - as pages of posts on this thread have done - is not "evading you".

There's that old saying, Mike, "when you find yourself in a hole, stop digging!"

Are you big enough to also admit you were wrong on this one?



posted on Sep, 24 2008 @ 08:27 AM
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Even if my kids attended public or privat schools, there would be enough time for me to teach them terroristic inclinations afterwards. (which I don't)They might be even better off that way as they be able to compare what school is teaching them compared to what their parents views on certain subjects are.(which I do) I think the worries of the state are something other than what's stated in the report.

[edit on 24-9-2008 by Benarius]



posted on Sep, 24 2008 @ 08:29 AM
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I Live in the UK and I have two little girls, 5 and 1. My partner and I have recently taken the decision to homeschool our eldest. We did a lot of research before hand to convince ourselves we were making the right choice for our daughters future, now the thought of sending either of them to school fills me with hate! Hate because I would hate myself for sending any child into that system. I took the decision myself to leave school at 13-14, even though both my parents tried to force me to attend. I never sat any tests and have next to no qualifications as a result. Despite this I consider myself to be well educated, polite, hard working and open minded. When I first started skipping school I used to go to the local golf course and caddy for the golfers, earning myself some money. Later, when I was about 15, I started visiting the library on a regular basis. If I'd had the support and help of my parents I know I would've got a lot further. The problem was they, like millions of others, thought of school as the only means of education, with the added bonus of getting the kids out from under their feet. My partner found it very difficult to concerntrate at school and her education suffered. She would say she's thick, though, I'm trying to make her realise she's not and that she just never got the help she needed. Her main concern about homeschooling is her lack of knowledge. What I haven't said, bacause I don't want to spoil the surprise for her, is that homeschooling is going to benefit her too. She will be learning with them, which will not only make it more fun for them, it will also encourage them to learn for themselves.

To take away a parents fundamental right to decide on their kids upbringing is sick!!! And anyone who condones it needs re-educated.



posted on Sep, 24 2008 @ 08:29 AM
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I Live in the UK and I have two little girls, 5 and 1. My partner and I have recently taken the decision to homeschool our eldest. We did a lot of research before hand to convince ourselves we were making the right choice for our daughters future, now the thought of sending either of them to school fills me with hate! Hate because I would hate myself for sending any child into that system. I took the decision myself to leave school at 13-14, even though both my parents tried to force me to attend. I never sat any tests and have next to no qualifications as a result. Despite this I consider myself to be well educated, polite, hard working and open minded. When I first started skipping school I used to go to the local golf course and caddy for the golfers, earning myself some money. Later, when I was about 15, I started visiting the library on a regular basis. If I'd had the support and help of my parents I know I would've got a lot further. The problem was they, like millions of others, thought of school as the only means of education, with the added bonus of getting the kids out from under their feet. My partner found it very difficult to concerntrate at school and her education suffered. She would say she's thick, though, I'm trying to make her realise she's not and that she just never got the help she needed. Her main concern about homeschooling is her lack of knowledge. What I haven't said, bacause I don't want to spoil the surprise for her, is that homeschooling is going to benefit her too. She will be learning with them, which will not only make it more fun for them, it will also encourage them to learn for themselves.

To take away a parents fundamental right to decide on their kids upbringing is sick!!! And anyone who condones it needs re-educated.



posted on Sep, 24 2008 @ 08:34 AM
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The real reason behind this is because homeschooling children poses a threat to the new world order. The government wants control of all aspects of education so they can "brainwash" kids with their ideals of a socialist society.



posted on Sep, 24 2008 @ 09:18 AM
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I home school. I won't allow my child to attend public school. I was abused in the system, and my husband attended California public school and said they didn't have enough books in three classes. Had to share books. Had to sit on the floor in his English class because not enough desks. Classrooms were up to 40 students in one class. Police presence on campus, due to gang rivalry and fights. Metal detectors installed, because of weapons being brought to school.

1. I will not send my child into the hands of a system in order for her to get "socialization". There is no such thing as...socialization in public school.

2. There are WAY too many teachers, who are teaching even though they do not like children. They also hate their job.

3. My child does not need to sit in a classroom, unable to go to the bathroom, because the power tripping teacher decided it's her "rule" to not use the bathroom during class time. It happens way too often.

4. When my child is ill, I don't have to explain why I'm not bringing her to school, nor do I seek permission to keep her home. We simply take that day off from studies to rest, like normal people should.

5. I do not vaccinate my child. I refuse to answer to anyone about that, or fight with the system about my personal reasons for not vaxing. I refuse to have to lie on a religious waiver, so I can get out of vaxing.

6. The curriculum is set up to dumb down these children, is based on a curriculum from the 50's, and most children are graduated out of high school that cannot spell. THAT is not happening in this house.

7. The environment of the school system has drastically changed since my days there. There is more violence, more animosity, and more sexual abuse taking place. I don't want my child walking through a metal detector every day, just to go get an education.

8. I believe children learn in an environment, that is encouraging, uplifting, safe, and left open to the possibilities to think outside of the book. Make no mistake, we have the books, but we also have hands on learning. I don't need to show a picture of rocks in a book - I can take my child out to go rock hunting and talk about geology. I don't have to teach them about history simply from a book, when I can take her to a museum. And so on.

9. My child is two grades ahead of where she'd be in public school. Enough said.

10. My child gets socialized plenty, through outside activities that are fun where she is interacting with children, instead of being forced to sit at a desk and keep quiet.

11. It feels good to know that I'm a bigger part of my child's learning process, than someone for hire, who may or may not really care about how my child is doing in their classroom. It also feels good to know that, I don't have to worry and wonder if the teacher is some kind of an alcoholic, drug user, or pedophile.

12. Recently, California was talking about going to a 4 day a week school week, not to mention the programs that are being drastically cut. Including sports. Someone please explain to me why California wants to criminalize parents who CARE about their child's education, when they can't even keep their schools open for a full week?

Thank GOD I moved out of California many years ago.



posted on Sep, 24 2008 @ 09:18 AM
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Mike I think if you do just a little bit of research you would find that home schooled kids score higher on state tests than the ones that go through the puppy mill. Mike teachers actually help out, the parent doesn't just make up stuff. And one last thing mike, the economic mess we are in, Harvard, Whorton, Yale, and they couldn't figure this out, I knew we were headed for trouble and all I have is HS diploma.



posted on Sep, 24 2008 @ 09:18 AM
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I'll start with this: you have a point by saying that it would be better for the parent to have a teaching degree.

However, you aren't accepting that homeschooling without the parent having a teaching degree is often times still better than public schooling. I'm a homeschool student now, and even though now I go to a 1-day a week Co-op where there are teachers with teaching degrees, my mom did an excellent job of teaching me when she did. All of my testing scores for middle school were 'Post highschool,' and I got much more out of homeschooling than I ever did in "normal" school. Now, I have to budget my time myself, and all of my subjects are mandatory and include: Rhetoric, Speeches, Essay Writing, Grammar, History, Literature, Latin, Algebra 2, and Chemistry as a freshman in highschool. Now, going to this homeschool Co-op is a bonus on your transcripts when you apply to UGA, because they recognize us as being able to write well and think for ourselves. What my mom taught me was harder than the middle school work for this Co-op, and almost as hard as the high-school work.

I would encourage you to read Fahrenheit 451, which gives an accurate view of many public schools. I hope this helps.



posted on Sep, 24 2008 @ 09:20 AM
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Lol i cant believe some of the arguments here . What exactly makes one more able to teach than another?

Its like saying you should need an art degree to trace. ..

Or better yet . A degree in "learning"

I didn't pass a single grade past 5th . I was accepted into college at 15. Started at 16.
I'm by no means a genius. Nor was i home schooled . Just self taught.

My 16YO sister was home schooled . She understands more about the real world than anyone i know .

.................. Besides . With all the massacres happening these days why would anyone want there kid part of a system that breeds these crazy kids.
If most of these school shooters would have been home schooled . I bet they would be productive people now . Not statistics .

[edit on 24-9-2008 by d11_m_na_c05]



posted on Sep, 24 2008 @ 09:34 AM
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it has been proven that homeschooled children generaly have higher test scores when compared to kids the same age. i think the problem here is that the state is decieding for you without a choice what u have to obey. i could tell u i would have prefered home schooling my last two years in highschool classes were so disruptive it was nothing but a free for all teachers have no control. Then you get to college, start at rock bottom and they dont care if u pass or fail. public schools are flawed

[edit on 24-9-2008 by twistingtree]




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